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    Star Wars Prequel Music Resource

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    Well, here's my edit list... it's a BIG list:

    Disc 1

    Those marked with a can be redone immediately and are not yet done. Those with nothing are done.

    Running Time: 1:18.20

    01 - Fox Fanfare (Film Recording)

    02 - Star Wars Main Title

    03 - The Arrival

    04 - Gas Leak

    05 - Droid Fight

    06 - Droid Fight (First Run)

    07 - Queen Amidala

    08 - The Droid Invasion

    09 - Introducing Jar-Jar

    10 - Bubble World

    11 - Gone Fishin'

    12 - Darth Sidious

    13 - Tentacles

    14 - Tentacles (First Run)

    15 - Theed Palace Arrival

    16 - You're Under Arrest

    17 - Escape From Naboo (Original)

    18 - Escape From Naboo (Percussion)

    19 - Enter Darth Maul

    20 - Arrival At Tatooine

    21 - Street Band of Mos Espa

    22 - Padmé Meets Anakin - Hit the Nose

    23 - Desert Winds

    24 - Jar-Jar's Run-In With Sebulba

    25 - Anakin's Home And The Introduction to Threepio

    26 - Running Out of Time#

    27 - Talk of Podracing

    28 - Watto's Deal#

    29 - Kids At Play

    30 - The Racer Roars to Life

    31 - The Sith Spacecraft

    32 - Mos Espa Arena Band

    33 - Chance Cube

    34 - The Flag Parade

    35 - The Flag Parade (First Run)

    36 - Jabba Introduction

    37 - Start Your Engine

    38 - The Race Begins

    39 - Anakin Defeats Sebulba

    40 - Anakin's Great Victory

    41 - The Street Singer

    42 - Anakin is Free

    43 - Maul's Approach

    44 - Darth and Qui-Gon

    45 - Darth and Qui-Gon (First Run)

    Disc 2

    Running Time: 1:15.11

    01 - Crisis on Naboo

    02 - Coruscant Arrival

    03 - The Queen and Palpatine

    04 - High Council Meeting I

    05 - High Council Meeting II

    06 - The Senate

    07 - Anakin's Test

    08 - He is the Chosen One

    09 - Nute and Rune Confer With Darth Sidious

    10 - Naboo Temple

    11 - The Gungans

    12 - War Plans I

    13 - War Plans II

    14 - Forest Mist

    15 - Drums Insert

    16 - The Armies Face Off

    17 - Moving Forward

    18 - Take To Your Ships

    19 - Laser Fight March

    20 - Darth Maul (Insert)

    21 - Anakin Takes Off

    22 - Duel of the Fates (Unused)

    23 - The Big Army

    24 - The Droid Battle

    25 - Up the Wire

    26 - The Great Duel

    27 - The Invisible Wall

    28 - Gungans Retreat

    29 - Crash Landing

    30 - Qui-Gon's Noble End

    31 - Battleship Destroyed

    32 - Battleship Destroyed (first run)

    33 - The End of Darth Maul

    34 - Conferring With Yoda

    35 - Qui-Gon's Funeral

    36 - Augie's Great Municipal Band

    37 - End Credits

    38 - Duel of the Fates

    39 - Anakin's Theme

    40 - Tone Poem - Darth Maul

    41 - Tone Poem - Padmé

    42 - Tone Poem - Anakin

    43 - Tone Poem - Qui-Gon

    44 - Tone Poem - Shmi

    45 - Duel of the Fates (orchestral)

    46 - End Credits (Original Suite)

    Disc 3

    Running Time: 1:02:28

    01 - Fox Fanfare (1995 Recording)

    02 - Star Wars Main Title (First Run)

    03 - Star Wars Main Title (Film Run)

    04 - The Arrival (First Run)

    05 - Gas Leak (First Run)

    06 - Gas Leak (Sith Whispers)

    07 - Queen Amidala (Alternate Orchestration)

    08 - Queen Amidala (Film Alternate)

    09 - The Droid Invasion (First Run)

    10 - Bubble World (Alternate Orchestration)

    11 - Gone Fishin' (First Run)

    12 - Darth Sidious (First Run)

    13 - Theed Palace Arrival (First Run)

    14 - You're Under Arrest (First Run)

    15 - Enter Darth Maul (Sith Whispers)

    16 - Running Out of Time (Alternate Orchestration)

    17 - The Sith Spacecraft (Sith Whispers)

    18 - The Sith Spacecraft (Alternate Ending)

    19 - Start Your Engine (Alternate)

    20 - The Race Begins (Alternate Orchestration)

    21 - Anakin Defeats Sebulba (Alternate Orchestration)

    22 - Anakin Defeats Sebulba (Film Alternate)

    23 - Anakin's Great Victory (Partial Alternate)

    24 - Maul's Approach (Sith Whispers)

    25 - Crisis on Naboo (Alternate Orchestration)

    26 - Arrival at Coruscant (Alternate Orchestration)

    27 - High Council Meeting I (Alternate)

    28 - The Senate (Alternate)

    29 - Anakin's Test (Alternate)

    30 - Naboo Temple (Alternate Orchestration)

    31 - War Plans I (Alternate Take)

    32 - Forest Mist (First Run)

    33 - Forest Mist (Partial Film Alternate)

    34 - Drums Insert (First Run)

    35 - Drums Insert (Film Alternate)

    36 - The Armies Face Off (First Run)

    37 - Moving Forward (First Run)

    38 - Take To Your Ships (First Run)

    39 - Take To Your Ships (Second Run)

    40 - Laser Fight March (First Run)

    41 - Anakin Takes Off (First Run)

    42 - Duel of the Fates (Film Alternate)

    Disc 4

    Running Time: 1:17.26

    01 - The Droid Battle (First Run)

    02 - The Droid Battle (Film Alternate)

    03 - Gungans Retreat (First Run)

    04 - Crash Landing (Alternate)

    05 - Crash Landing (Film Alternate)

    06 - Qui-Gon's Noble End (First Run)

    07 - Qui-Gon's Noble End (Film Alternate)

    08 - The End of Darth Maul (First Run)

    09 - Qui-Gon's Funeral (First Run)

    10 - Augie's Great Municipal Band (Album Alternate)

    11 - End Credits Intro (Alternate Recording) # NOTE - This is the ANH end credits recorded during TPM

    12 - Duel of the Fates (Alternate Recording)

    13 - Anakin's Theme (Alternate Recording)

    14 - John Williams Concert Talk

    15 - The Flag Parade (concert)

    16 - Anakin's Theme (concert)

    17 - Duel of the Fates (concert)

    18 - The Adventures of Jar-Jar (Royal Scottish National Orchestra)

    19 - The Flag Parade (Royal Scottish National Orchestra)

    20 - The Flag Parade (Prague)

    21 - The Story of Episode I (As Told by C-3P0)

    22 - Movie Music

    23 - Listen to the Music

    24 - Film End Credits Suite

    25 - Duel of the Fates (Dialogue Version)

    CD 5

    Running Time:

    01 - Main Titles and Arrival at Naboo

    02 - Queen Amidala and the Naboo Palace

    03 - The Droid Invasion and the Appearance of Darth Maul

    04 - The Adventures of Jar-Jar

    05 - Arrival at Tatooine and the Flag Parade

    06 - The Sith Spacecraft and the Droid Battle

    07 - Watto's Deal and Kids At Play

    08 - Anakin Defeats Sebulba

    09 - Panaka and the Queen's Protectors

    10 - Qui-Gon's Noble End (Percussive Suite)

    11 - Conferring with Yoda and Qui-Gon's Funeral (Album Suite)

    12 - Augie's Great Municipal Band and End Credits (Original Suite)

    13 - Escape From Naboo (Republic Commando "Parjai" mix)

    Star Wars Prequel Music Resource

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    Hmm, perhaps. The UE is definitely parred down a little (which I never noticed before, thanks), but it doesn't necessarily prove where the piccolo overdubs are supposed to go. Don't get me wrong, I think they sound wonderful in "Crash Landing" - they're so weird - but it's hard to say if that's what Williams intended. Come to think of it, though, has "Crash Landing" ever come up in a game without the piccolo overdubs? I don't believe any clean intro to it (without piccolos) has been found. There are a number of revised cues, like "The Tide Turns" (slower intro, less percussion), that never seem to show up in games (unless they are CD-sourced), which suggests the music editors at LucasArts are not working with the full recording sessions material.

    It's ridiculous how many subtle edits are contained in the UE. It's not just abrupt cuts, but speed changes, shortened sustained notes... it's a mess. Also, the volume clips and is not totally consistent. I'm considering using the album for every possible moment. It's just a purer representation of the music.

    Then there's Starfighter on the X-Box, which comes in higher-than-CD-quality sound. 48,000 khz doesn't work for CD, but I certainly wouldn't mind having this stuff in my iTunes library. It's a good source for several of the major action cues.

    Some of the stuff which I thought were altered (ending to "Theed Palace Arrival", for example) is not, you can clearly tell by the distortion of bits of the cues. Slowed down, the music sounds grating (goodness, why did Lucas cut so much of that cue? What was the point in it?), but I am certain the UE ending for "Theed Palace Arrival" is correct and unaltered (I'm talking about the trnasition bit that your edit list has replaced in favour for the clean ending from JPB).

    So here's a list of previously undetected loops and bits in the UE:

    UE d1 t1 - Fox Fanfare AS USED IN THE FILM

    UE d1 t5 - The beginning notes are cut down, they are actually a combo of what is used on the UE, followed by what is used in JPB and the TPM game.

    UE d1 t13 - the final few seconds of transitional music are, I believe, unaltered.

    UE d1 t17 - the track in the UE misses out a piece of the Jar-Jar theme (thanks to GoodMusician for pointing this out)

    UE d1 t30 - a small loop is heard as the outcome of the dice roll is shown. The ending is edited from "The Sith Spacecraft", "String Swell" and the sith whisper recording meant for use in "Qui-Gon's Noble End".

    UE d1 t31 - Not even the film version! The DVD has a loop where it seems Williams left out a reprisal in this take. This loop is heard in the OST album, and the actual reprisal, as well as the film version's ending, can be heard in BF2.

    UE d2 t1 - A loop of the first notes.

    UE d2 t2 - Missing a bit of the opening, can be found in BF2.

    UE d2 t14 - Ends with a combo of the "Forest Mist" and "Drum Insert" cues, followed by an alternate/altered? ending to "Queen Amidala".

    UE d2 t17 - The film version erases the final timp hit, instead using reverb.

    UE d2 t26 - percussionless version of "Anakin Defeats Sebulba".

    UE d2 t27 - I've explained this above. Opening measures are looped. Sith whispers over some of it where it shouldn't be, and possibly the piccolo/flutes where they were not meant to be.

    UE d2 t31 - I believe the Parade on the album is incomplete, but not as much as the film. The album version skips some of the choral used in the film, but the film omits the beginning major "Emperor's Theme" choral, possibly because it would connect Palpatine to Darth Sidious too early on.

    "Boys into Battle" on the album does include the drum overdubs, but at a very low volume.

    I thought those were different drums, perhaps synth timapni, or low timpani placeholders? I'm not sure the taikos were meant for that bit. The mix for the album version of "They're Coming Around" is also inconsistent - loud drums, then gets quieter.

    Henry, do you have Starfighter and RC rips?

    Star Wars Prequel Music Resource

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    The TPM game has them over the beginning of the Crash Landing cue, that's what I thought. In the film, that overdub is altered so only the first second or two is used over Qui-Gon's Noble End. There is also an unnatural fade between that material and the theme used when Maul stabs Qui-Gon... the album has a timpani hit there, but it is missing from the film.

    I'm wondering if some of the BF2 tracks are dropped film mixes? Mainly for Revenge of the Sith...

    Star Wars Prequel Music Resource

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    Dude no offense but I don't give a damn. As I said this is my set, I'm happy with the way how it turned out. I don't know what makes you think you're suddenly "Mr. Right" about this stuff is beyond me. No one really fully knows for sure. So in a polite way please just buzz off.

    What ticked you off? I wasn't trying to come across in an offensive way. I was just trying to help.

    7m End Title Part II is, I believe, a re-recording of the ANH credits. It can be heard partially in KOTOR2, GoodMusician also edited it into his A New Hope set.

    Thanks, good point. I knew that piece must have been recorded for The Phantom Menace, but it didn't occur to me this was the cue title. By the way, you can piece this all together from Republic Commando and Starfighter, which offer CD quality sound (actually, Starfighter offers greater than CD quality sound).

    I sadly don't have this Starfighter material, or Republic Commando. Somebody did rip Starfighter for me but left it incomplete, and at 2050hz. Not good.

    I know, but it's difficult to tell where "Laser Fight March" you have is supposed to start, or is it "Courtyard Crossfire" and "Laser Fight March" that are one cue? I find "Laser Fight March" to be the 'second' part of "Take to Your Ships", basically the part which scores the gungan fight after "Armies Face Off" etc...

    "Courtyard Crossfire" segues into "Laser Fight March." You can hear the ending of "Courtyard Crossfire" in JPB Music4a at 2:38. It's a sustained trumpet note. I believe this ending was supposed to be overlapped/crossfaded with - or just cut straight to - "Laser Fight March," which starts with the same note but does not sustain it. * Since Music4a immediately segues into different material, you'll have to do a quick fadeout and mix in "Laser Fight March" (Music5c) or just cut straight to it.

    In other words, do exactly what it says in my editing instructions. That bit isn't outdated.

    * If you're skeptical, there's an edit very similar to this in Temple of Doom - the segue between "Indy Negotiates" and "Nightclub Brawl." Sometimes Williams does write cues with overlapping music, so a simple mix of the two doesn't always do it.

    I'm not disputing that. I do think they go together in that order.

    Changing the subject a little, there is something that did pique my interest. I think "Big Army/Up The Wire/Whatever you call it" (for me it's "The Big Army" - it fits the scene I think it goes to, and is on the original cue list) goes before "Droid Battle". Then, we get the unused Duel of the Fates material after that. And also, there is a piccolo/flute dub missing on "Crash Landing". I don't know if this was recorded like DotF Choir/Sith whispers and dropped in at will (since it instead appears incorrectly on "Qui-Gon's Noble End" in the film), but I am sure it goes there.

    I also wonder if anybody will attempt to create a TFU resource.

    Star Wars Prequel Music Resource

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    I know, but it's difficult to tell where "Laser Fight March" you have is supposed to start, or is it "Courtyard Crossfire" and "Laser Fight March" that are one cue? I find "Laser Fight March" to be the 'second' part of "Take to Your Ships", basically the part which scores the gungan fight after "Armies Face Off" etc...

    Sadly I can't release my set. It's not finished, but I can show you the way it was meant to be by LQ files...

    Star Wars Prequel Music Resource

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    The cues "Yoda Strikes Back" and "Confrontation with Count Dooku" are actualy altered in the film. It also appears Going After Dooku is extended, possibly through a loop?

    For instance, Yoda Strike Back's opening measures are altered to loop, and there is synth that was not meant to be in there. Part of the unaltered opening is inside "On the Conveyor Belt" ("Oh, my Goodness, shut me down!") and also in the Bounty Hunter promo release.

    @ Trent - The cue list you based your edit on was incorrect, here is the actual version:

    1m? Star Wars (Main Title)

    1m? The Arrival

    1m? Gas Leak

    1m? Droid Fight

    1m? Queen Amidala

    1m? The Droid Invasion

    1m? Introducing Jar Jar

    1m? Bubble World

    1m? Gone Fishin'

    2m? Darth Sidious

    2m? Tentacles

    2m? Theed Palace Arrival

    2m? You're Under Arrest

    2m? Escape from Naboo

    2m? Intro Darth Maul

    2m? Arrival at Tatooine

    2m? [Title Unknown]

    2m? [Title Unknown]

    3m? Running Out of Time

    3m? [Title Unknown]

    3m? Talk of Podracing

    3m? Watto's Deal

    3m? Kids at Play

    3m? [Title Unknown]

    3m? The Sith Spacecraft

    3m? [Title Unknown]

    3m? Flag Parade

    3m? Jabba Introduction

    3m? Start Your Engine (unused)

    3m? The Race Begins (This cue went mostly unused, but the opening moments were abridged before the cue 'Escape from Naboo' was tracked)

    4m? Anakin Defeats Sebulba (swapped with 'Gungans Retreat' in the film)

    4m? Anakin's Great Victory

    4m? Anakin Is Free

    4m? Darth and Qui-Gon

    4m? Coruscant Arrival

    4m? Queen and Palpatine

    5m? High Council Meeting

    5m? The Senate

    5m? Anakin's Test

    5m? He Is the Chosen One

    5m? [Title Unknown]

    5m? Naboo Temple

    5m? The Gungans

    5m? War Plans

    6m? Forest Mist (a section of this was replaced with a revised cue 'Drum Insert')

    6m? The Armies Face Off

    6m? Moving Forward (the latter half of this cue was removed entirely)

    6m? Take To Your Ships

    6m? Laser Fight March (most of this cue was removed in favor of Duel of the Fates)

    6m? Anakin Takes Off

    6m? The Big Army

    6m? The Droid Battle

    6m? Up the Wire

    6m7 The Great Duel (This cue was removed in favor of Duel of the Fates)

    6m? Gungans Retreat (swapped with 'Anakin Defeats Sebulba' in the film)

    6m? Crash Landing

    6m? Qui-Gon's Noble End

    6m? Battleship Destroyed

    6m? The End of Darth Maul

    7m? [Title Unknown]

    7m? Qui-Gon's Funeral

    7m? Augie's Great Municipal Band

    7m? End Title

    7m? End Title Part II (unused)

    7m End Title Part II is, I believe, a re-recording of the ANH credits. It can be heard partially in KOTOR2, GoodMusician also edited it into his A New Hope set.

    Star Wars Prequel Music Resource

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    Well, I combine Album, BF2, DVD and TFU and it sounds absolutely perfect to me.

    I find "I Am the Senate" from TFU all right for editing, although I reduce the bass a little, then it seems to fit better. I also combine the material of Ambush on Coruscant - TFU clean opening, album, Galaxies ending, DVD< TFU.

    Adding to the list of distorted cues from TFU:

    - They're Coming Around (film mix, same as BF2)

    - They're Coming Around/Get Em, R-2! (film mix, new for TFU)

    - Elevator Scene/Get 'Em, R-2!

    - The Conveyor Belt (Film mix)

    There's a few more.

    Star Wars Prequel Music Resource

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    Posted

    Yeah, TFU has a clean opening for "They're Coming Around" as well, and a full version of "General Grievous", cleaned openings and endings for various cues in all three prequels etc...

    Have you heard the Bounty Hunter OST? There's some John Williams material, including cut-down version of the unaltered opening of "Yoda Strikes Back".

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