Chris.Tilton
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Interesting...yeah, I'm not hearing it at all in the film version, but there is a moment (1:34 in my edit) when Nero's theme would have fit perfectly with what is heard and with what's going on in the scene, so maybe it was just omitted there. Am I right in assuming all the erhu stuff was recorded separately? It's never there in the DVD rear channels.
Well, there ya go. I don't know why it was taken out though. Who knows. The erhu was recorded at the same time as the orchestra, but was in an iso booth so it could have its own completely separate track.
I don't think I'm understanding what you're saying here - it seems self-contradictory. I assumed that the statement of Nero's theme was recorded for use in the film and then edited into the end credits as well, with the choral modification. My main reason for thinking this is that when I listen to the transition into that passage in the end credits, it sounds like there's an edit. The dissonant strings are dying away, and then the cellos and basses come in with that staccato E, but I don't hear the previous chord resonating at all. In fact, when I cut out everything before that E, it sounds like the totally clean opening of a new cue, exactly as heard in the scene in the film. So was that passage recorded separately for the film and credits, or was that just a single take that was used for both?
Sorry, let me clarify. The two statments of Nero's theme, one in the Drill cue, and one in the end credits were two separate recordings. Both were in the written music for their respective cues. They sound almost exactly the same because the written music for the Drill cue was taken and put in the end credits while that was being written and/or constructed. Obviously, the credits cue is long and was recorded in sections. Maybe something got cut off while editing the takes together.
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25. Romulinterrogation - 2:27 - unreleased
Perhaps surprisingly, this somewhat longer cue does not make use of any of the melodic material associated with Nero. The Romulan tells his story to the captive Pike over string passages that are both sad and sinister. The blurry percussion sounds present in several earlier cues are heard again, but then the music becomes jittery and menacing as Nero prepares to place the Centaurian slug in Captain Pike.
This is the cue that had Nero's theme played by the effects enhanced erhu. Maybe they cut it from the film if it's not there, but I remember looking at this scene, now that you describe it, during recording and hearing Nero's theme played on the erhu.
48. To Boldly Go - End Credits - 10:01 - OST tracks 14 & 15 (with unreleased final crescendo)
But an eerie string chord quietly takes us out of the section based on Spock's theme and into Nero's theme (and motif), tracked from the beginning of "The Drill Team." The last moments are overdubbed with a rush of choral and orchestral dissonance that eases the transition back into material that was written for the end credits.
This wasn't tracked from anything, but was in the End Credits suite. (The whole end credits suite was performed with nothing tracked in). I think it simply came from the track you refer to, which was then modified slightly with choir and then added into the end credits suite.
Bonus Tracks
50. Hella Bar Talk (Film Version) - 1:56
As described above, the main theme horn solo is missing, leaving only the strings that accompany it. There is also some deeper percussion included when the drum beats begin.
The horn theme wasn't there in the original track. They must have added a horn solo as an option when they recorded the new opening of the film. Since it never made it in the film, they must have just decided not to use it, but put it in for the soundtrack. I added the beefier drums to this track (as well as some other cues) much later after the recording sessions.
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I don't remember where it is, but I certainly remember the erhu playing Nero's theme at least a couple times. It's probably in scenes where Nero is in his ship, maybe with Pike and such, but again I'm not sure.
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Okay, seriously...why does every online resource claim that the erhu is used (with electronic enhancements) for the Romulans as well? That bit of misinformation is everywhere. Nero and the Romulans have their own themes that are purely orchestral, typically with lots of low brass and percussion. The erhu is for Spock and the Vulcans - period.
The Erhu was used in several instances for the Romulans, only the Romulan version has had added effects on it (a delay and probably some other minor distortion or EQ). Giacchino did this on purpose because both the Romulans and Vulcans are related.
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You've got some good observations there!
I listened to those passages again... there's another interesting bit in "Does it still McFly?": At 0:44-0:48 and 0:52-0:55 respectively, we hear the chords that underlie the first and second part of Spock's theme (the erhu theme, not Spock Prime's). Following the first two chords (0:44-0:48) of this (at 0:48), a variation of Spock Prime's motif (in cello and oboe) starts with its first two notes (in an augmented fashion, a whole tone up instead of a half tone down - The short-long signature rythm helps distinguish the motiv here, even though the first note is different), and its second half (the original falling half tone) coincides with the second half of (young) Spock's theme's chords (0:52-0:55). Finishing the passage is again the whole note augmentation of the falling old Spock motiv. 
(Yellow: Young Spock chords, Green: Old Spock motiv)
I hope that wasn't confusing, in a nutshell we have a counterpoint of old Spock's motiv with young Spock's harmonies
, fitting for a scene where young Spock first gets a glimpse of something from his older self. However, I don't think 5:16-5:23 in "Nero Death Experience" is a variation of the motiv, the connection is much too vague, if there at all; It's just a triumphant fanfare-like moment
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edit: BTW, the half-tone falling motiv already begins right at the start of track 9 (not just at 0:07), although it's a bit hard to hear
For as obsessive as you guys are, I am surprised that you missed that the green is Kirk's Theme (slightly altered rhythm) and the yellow as young Spock's theme. That scene is between them afterall. If I recall it's the moment where they split up and young Spock takes Spock Prime's ship, and Kirk goes off to rescue Pike.
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I've been talking about how much I LOVE the music for Alias's final season for years now, and only recently discovered it was more your doing than Giacchino's. I REALLY hope a soundtrack will be released one day!!
BTW, as you were the orchestrator on Star Trek, any chance you could pop on over to this thread and fill in some gaps for us about the alternate film versions as compared to the album versions?
Regarding ALIAS, extremely unlikely. There is no market for an ALIAS soundtrack anymore, and it would cost way more than would be made to license the ability to release it from Disney.
As for that STAR TREK thread, you all have WAY too much time on your hands. Who cares!?!?! Go outside!
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Fringe finale - it was obvious when watching that this wasn't intended to be the season finale, not only because of the kind of lack of big ending JJ Abrams seasons are known for, but also cause they actually had footage from the next season already in the preview! When I read that the season was being shortened from 22 episodes to 20 I assumed they just filmed 2 less episodes but they must have filmed all 22 and then Fox only decided to air 20 of them... lame.
Before you go on thinking FOX is lame when it comes to FRINGE, let me explain. The content of episode 20 was always planned as the finale. There was a deal for 21 episodes, but as the schedule got tighter and tighter, they realized that there would be insufficient time to shoot and edit the finale (as ep 21) in time for the airdate, so they simply retooled the remaining episodes to end at episode 20 instead of 21. Since there was still an order for 21 episodes, they wrote, shot and edited the 21st episode (with a more relaxed schedule) with plans for it to air sometime in season 2.
Also, how can you say the finale had a lack of a big ending? It doesn't get more "HOLY SHIT!" than
olivia ending up in an alternate reality in which the World Trade Center towers still exist!
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Chris, any news on Mercenaries 2?
AmazonMP3 - Oct. 28
Nettwerk - Oct. 28
iTunes - Nov 4th
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I sent an e-mail to Chris's site asking if they could post up high res artwork for the scores they have available for download. I mean, Shrek Super Party, Muppets: Party Cruise, and Alias: The Game all have high res artwork available for download, why not the other scores?
The ones I particularly want are for The Sunday Man, Jumper: Griffin's Story, and La Lune.
Chris - You have the artwork right there in the tiny box, just make it bigger!
The art for La Lune and Sunday Man are now embedded in the mp3s, you'll have to redownload the the soundtrack and replace the ones you currently have. Jumper, not yet, but soon.
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I'm still waiting for Mercenaries 2. Maybe it was delayed a week. Come on, Tuesday!
There was a snag or something (I don't really know the details) which caused the submission process to start over. It's looking more likely that it'll come out in October now.
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I don't think it was ever posted here but Giacchino's scoring the upcoming Lucasarts game Fracture, it looks like.
Game doesn't look great but at least it'll have good music.
Fracture was done by Giacchino, me, and Chad Seiter. No idea about a soundtrack release.
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Exactly because he is here and has told me off i'm apologizing to him.
BTW, believe me or not I only use that site for non comercial things like this. I would prefer them to stop allowing posting comercial material.
It's not really your fault that the site exists. And actually, I'd think the site would be pretty neat if it was all about making old game music available that may or may not have ever been available previously. The mentality of most of those people though, their staunch position on their perceived God given right to have music for free, just because they want it or "need" it, just baffles me beyond belief. The world isn't going to come crumbling down if they don't have, or don't listen, to a particular soundtrack.
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Someone has managed to rip the incredibles game music files. He is mixxing the files and needs help to know what sounds better, so he made two versions, one with swap channels and other with wide stero sound.
Audiophiles PM me please.
OK, not just audiophiles, but anyone that knows a little about mixxing and instrument placement and things like that...
Or you could just tell people to go directly to the post on the most visited illegal video game music pirating site that you are participating in. Then again, I suppose it's against TOS to just post that link here.
To clarify though, I don't have too much of a problem for people ripping game discs to get music that's not available, and likely will never be available (although that isn't exactly legal either), but that site is a haven for cheap tightwads who post commercially available music because, even though they can't afford to pay rent, they absolutely MUST have soundtracks at all costs.
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If you go to Best Buy and pre-order the game you can get the score now for about $5.00 or $10.00. I guess you just don't have to pickup the game when it comes in.
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cf...1&archive=0
although the original poster uploaded the score to an illegal file sharing site and the thread has gone downhill.
the game score does run for 53 minutes, and the tracklist in sundtrack.net is 56.
I dont know if they are typos or some tracks are expanded by a few seconds
The official release will be 3.5 min longer. Some tracks are expanded (and the album is properly mastered).
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Chris, I demand that Jumper: Griffith's Story and The Incredibles: Rise Of The Underminder be released! The sound clips are not enough!
Send your emails to Brash Entertainment and Disney respectively.
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Dr. Horrible's Sing-a-long Blog is great. People should buy it.
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Modern day composers cannot write anything without employing a battery of orchestrators, arrangers, copyists and additional music composers. You know that Erik.
I doubt these 2 are any different.
For Mercenaries 2, I employed 353,028 orchestrators. I had each one orchestrate one bar of music in any given cue, and sometimes I would have one orchestrator do the winds and strings, while the other did the brass and percussion. Occasionally I'd bring in some extra help to work out the triangle parts.
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And the entire Black score was co-composed by Giacchino and Tilton... even the main title.
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No, Michael and I co-composed only the main theme, I did the rest.
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there's still 3 other people who get off the island we don't know about
lostpedia.com has your answers.
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Fantastic performance! This is great. You should move to LA and perform on scores and stuff. I wonder if you thought about panning several of the tracks more widely left and right so we could distinguish the lines a little more, and so it would sound less mono. Great work though.
Me = impressed.
Michael Giacchino's Star Trek
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Was it your intent to make the CD labels look like boobs?
EDIT: Also, I orchestrated the cue where the Enterprise comes out of the clouds and goes after Nero, and there is a huge statement of Nero's theme. Obviously that scene was reedited, and the beginning of it cut, but it wasn't MG's intent to abandon Nero's theme.