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    The Official Alan Menken Thread

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    I definitely agree that "Proud of Your Boy" is great, and I think "High Adventure" would have been really fun in full blown orchestration. And I really like the idea of having many "Arabian Nights" telling the story throughout. I am wracking my braind trying to find a way to make the final "Arabian Nights" fit somehow into the finale without getting rid of the choral ending. I am sure there is a way. I just gotta figure it out.

    Interesting, most people will tell you that their favorite songs on Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast are "A Whole New World" and "Tale as Old As Time". I always thought they were too soft-pop radio oriented. They sound like attempts to make it onto the radio. The piano in both, especially "Tale As Old As Time", sounds very soft pop-ish. Of course, the lyrics, especially on "Tale As Old As Time", are brilliant, and I think are some of the best Ashman ever wrote. Just the whole song structure and orchestration sounds very pop-ish.

    Thanks for those chronological listings. I had been looking for something like that.

    Colin Thomson

    The Official Alan Menken Thread

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    I'm lovin' it, that's for sure. I didn't realize so many songs were taken out of Aladdin. They did some serious story changes. And it is amazing to see the one-liners that got passed over. Ashman was an amazing person. Here is something that got left out of the "Gaston Reprise":

    Gaston: "Yes, I'm endlessly, wildly resourcefull"

    Lefou: "As down to the depths you descend"

    Gaston: "I won't even be mildly remorseful

    Just as long as I get what I want in the end"

    All: "Who has brains like Gaston?

    Entertains like Gaston?"

    Lefou: "Who can make up these endless refrains like Gaston?"

    All: "So his marriage we soon will be celebrating..."

    And that got cut...

    Colin Thomson

    So this is.... NOT the first clip from Williams' KOTCS score

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    I don't think it is, either. What I am saying is that one musical style is not really below another. It is just that a certain type of composer is drawn to that style, and tries to appeal to a certain crowd. John Williams would put good thematic developement in, interesting counterpoint, fascinating harmonic progressions, the whole thing, in that style, and it would be wonderful. Because he doesn't really write bad music, no matter what style he is writing in. It probably would be good for MV to see what a truly great composer can do with their sounds.

    Colin Thomson

    So this is.... NOT the first clip from Williams' KOTCS score

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    You know, I would have to say that I don't think that JW wrote that music. The choir sounds VERY out of place for an Indy score.

    But it would not be the end of the world if it was. I think it is silly to judge music by a 15 second or so bit you hear. If music is only about style, than go right ahead. But if that is all music means to you, than that is ashame. I think that if JW wrote in this style, he would do it with skill and musical depth, and I would love it.

    That being said, I really don't think that is Indy 4 music.

    Colin Thomson

    The OFFICIAL Indy IV Thread

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Say, does anyone know if they recorded the score digitally or on analogue? I wouldn't have even thought of it as a possibility except for the fact that The Incredibles was recorded analogue.

    I believe Incredibles was recorded analogue to give it more of an old retro sort of feel. I don't know anything about Indy 4, but it seems like the rest of the film is trying to look at least a little bit in the same style as the old ones. Maybe they will.

    Colin Thomson

    The OFFICIAL Alan Silvestri Plagariasm List

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Or maybe make a whole new section devoted entirely to these. That would be a kind of nice, and they could each have a regularly updated list at the top, kind of like the chronological listing thread.

    The only problem with this idea is that it would be idiotic. Imagine creating a separate forum within JWFan for "Zimmer bashing."

    I'm not into Zimmer bashing. It would include Williams, too. And plagariasm is not really a bad thing, in my opinion.

    Colin Thomson

    The OFFICIAL John Williams Plagiarism List

    in JOHN WILLIAMS

    Posted

    Didn't Goldsmith say something similar?

    I believe it was something like this: "We all copy/steal from time to time, only the good ones don't get caught".

    Maybe. I know Stravinsky said "A good composer does not imitate; he steals."

    I don't know if it was said before him or not.

    He actually has quote a few good ones. Like "Harpists spend 90 percent of their lives tuning their harps and 10 percent playing out of tune."

    Colin Thomson

    The Official Alan Menken Thread

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    It could be that we all just don't like black gospel music. Or it could be that that genre of music in general is not on the same level musically with some others. It could be that it is boring and repetative. Perhaps it is a good example of that sort of music, probably done better than most. But still not good.

    Colin Thomson

    The OFFICIAL John Williams Plagiarism List

    in JOHN WILLIAMS

    Posted

    Where is the Hook theme that appears in Across the Stars?

    The theme heard at the beginning of "Prologue" (called oddly enough the Prologue theme). It's structurally very, very similar to "Across the Stars".

    Oh, right. With the triplets, and then sequencing them lower, and really most of the melodic intervals in the beginning melody. Interesting. I don't think I would have caught that. Nice find.

    Colin Thomson

    The OFFICIAL John Williams Plagiarism List

    in JOHN WILLIAMS

    Posted

    Holiday Flight from Home Alone is also a Stravinsky knock-off.

    Don't you mean Tchaikovsky?

    "Somewhere in My Memory" and the Neverland theme both have a relationship akin to "Marion's Theme"/"Han Solo and the Princess."

    There's a phrase from the opening of "Prologue" (what theme is that?) that is used in "Hedwig's Theme" and another from the same Hook theme that appears in "Across the Stars."

    None of this detracts from my enjoyment of any of the mentioned pieces.

    Where is the Hook theme that appears in Across the Stars?

    Colin Thomson

    The OFFICIAL James Horner Self-Plagiarism List

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    I registered on a John Williams fan forum because I am a John Williams fan. If I were a Spielberg fan I would have registered on one of his. There are many movies I don't really want to see because I like there music so much, I am afraid it would take away from the music.

    You're worried that one of the biggest hits of all time, which also is one of the mostly critically well-regarded films of the entire decade in which it was released, will detract from your enjoyment of the music?

    Out of curioisty, what other classics are you purposefully not watching for fear that the movie will ruin the music for you?

    It is not so much that I am avoiding E. T. I just have no interest in it. I am sure it is a wonderful movie, but, sorry, not interested :lol: That said, I am sure I will watch it someday.

    As far as classics I am avoiding, I don't know any classics would fit into that category. And really, if it were on somewhere I was, I would probably watch it. It is just that I don't feel too much of a desire to. I like to watch musicals that focus around music, because I think that in that case the movie adds to the music. But often normal movies don't. So, here is my list of soundtracks I have without having seen the movie, and without having too much desire to see the movie.

    E. T.

    Hook

    The Spiderwick Chronicles

    The Water Horse

    Shindler's List

    Titanic

    Well, I think I watched part of Hook once, but I don't really remember much. And out of all of them, that is probably the one I would like most to see.

    There you have it. I am afraid I am just not too much of a movie fan.

    Colin Thomson

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