Charlie Brigden
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I voted 5/5. I think it's better than JAWS. Just stunning, ethereal, thrilling.
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1. David Fincher
2. Martin Scorsese
3. Michael Mann
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STAR TREK: NEMESIS
Decided to revisit this after listening to the score. First time I've saw it since theaters, when I greatly disliked it. Ever get that time when you do a 180 turn on a flick? That happened here. Enthralled. Saddened. Excited. Intrigued. I'd go so far to say it's the best TNG flick.
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Indy had some flaws to it and TDK, in my opinion, had none.
For the love of god, when reviewing TDK, and its lack of flaws, do not forget the one BIG FAT FLAW: The absence of a good score.
You haven't seen the movie, and by all accounts won't. Regardless of what you've heard on CD, until you've seen the movie you have absolutely no room to talk about whether the film score is good or not. Not to retread a recent argument, but how the music works in the movie is what matters most, not what it's like as a listening experience. It's possible to have a score that works perfectly in the film but is lousy to listen to.
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I haven't even seen TDK but I'm gonna say it's better than KOTCS.
Agreed, and I enjoyed KOTCS a lot.
But we are voting what do we PREFER, not what do we think that is the BETTER.
Well, in Mark's case, almost anything (except AOTC maybe??) would be Better than Indy IV...
Okay. Based on what I've already seen, I prefer TDK to KOTCS.
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It was good from what I remember from seeing the flick, which I liked a lot, mostly because there always seems to be magic when you get Viggo together with a horse.
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I haven't even seen TDK but I'm gonna say it's better than KOTCS.
Agreed, and I enjoyed KOTCS a lot.
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1) Liam Neeson. He is just always Liam Neeson. He is the same person in TPM, in Batman Begins, in Kingdom of Heaven.
Maybe that's because in all three roles he plays a mentor?
I don't like his presence, he has no charisma, he is just not convincing to me in his roles. His expressions and his emotional range are very limited.
Absolute rubbish. Watch BATMAN BEGINS. The scene where Bruce is recovering after falling through the ice, Ducard talks about losing his wife and the expression of how the loss still affects him is haunting, and is an amazing emotionally expressive moment.
Not to mention other great roles he's played in flicks like KINSEY, MICHAEL COLLINS, SCHINDLER'S LIST, KRULL.
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I was wondering what its like in theatre's around the world.
What are your theatres like. - Decent, but occasionally terrible, mostly with the chavs and lowlifes there to screw around.
Do they show previews and commercials, Yes, but not very good ones. TERRIBLE Orange commercials.
what are the main snacks. Hot dogs, popcorn, nachos. Ridiculously priced.
Are people allowed to smoke? Nope.
Do you have stadium seating, IMAX, etc? In some cases. Stadium is usually a given, IMAX is dying a bit. My local one recently closed.
Do you still have grand movie palaces? We have, erm, multiplexes. I prefer the flea-pits really. But as long as the quality of print/projection is good, I'm okay with it.
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For my money Dooku was far and away the best part of AOTC. In a film where acting threatened to reach Ed Wood standards, he was there to show what a seasoned professional can really do. My favourite scene in the film (one of few!) is the one where Obi-Wan is captured and Dooku visits him. He has to deal with some absolutely crass dialogue but he comes through shining, especially with his expressions.
Plus, his old-timey Jedi shtick was really cool.
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I'm not sure I'd trust someone who can't even get the name of the film right on the artwork.
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Check out SULLIVAN'S TRAVELS. That's my favourite "old" movie.
I think probably some of it has to do with the way these things are presented to us. Now, there's such an overload in the way you can watch movies, VHS, DVD, TV, cable, PPV, the internet, even your mobile phone. Probably similar to Mark, I grew up as a child loving SF because they used to show it at dinnertime on BBC 2 in the 80s, in a season that ran the gamut from BATTLESTAR GALACTICA and BUCK ROGERS to THIS ISLAND EARTH, THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL and THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING MAN. Back then, VHS even was still pretty rare (with retail VHS movies costing £80 a pop) so TV or the theater was the only real option to see these things, until the video rental market (especially in our small town) really kicked into touch in the mid-80s.
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I can't say I've heard a lot of theirs, but I liked the AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON track they did.
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But were you knowledgable, at 19, of the movies that were made 40 years before you were born?
By the way, Buster Keaton has been a hero of mine since like 12 or so
Yep. And good one on Keaton.
I think it's what Mark said earlier. Since I was about thirteen, I started to really get into a wide range of films, which meant discovering movies like CASABLANCA, like KANE, people like Joan Crawford, Robert Mitchum, 30s and 40s horror, the 50s SF explosion. So much so that I freely admit that I'm a grumpy old man (at nearly 30) that is open to knew things but at the same time doesn't seem to like a whole lot of things made after the mid-80s.
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He wasn't really vital to the story, just a screen filler after Dooku was taken out and to give Obi-Wan a reason to seperate from Anakin.
Completely. There's no reason why Dooku couldn't have run to Utapau and served Grievous' role. His death had no real effect on the story and it would have been nice to have Lee's gravitas for a bit longer.
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Sometimes I forget my age and the fact that there are young ones here who are just begining their quest into film music.
I guess I spent too much time as a young child/teenager following movies and composers, on top of everything else I did.
Ditto, and I'm not exactly ready to push up the daisies.
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Nope, sorry. I'm a composer and I would rather work on Narnia than either Batman or Star Trek. Do you have any idea what sort of following those books have?
I know they're a much-loved series. And I appreciate you'd rather work on them than BATMAN or TREK. I just don't think that would follow through with a lot of composers. TREK, maybe, depends what happens with the reboot. But I don't think they have the attraction.
Anyway, by your definition of 'A-list', people like Jerry Goldsmith and Ennio Morricone are far from A-list, just because they didn't work on culture defining movies.
Please see my previous post, but I didn't include Morricone because we're talking a bit more contemporary, but he is a great A-List of the past.
I think there is a little more room than that. Shore had 1 hit, that is it. No one is really going to him now for big films, besides The Hobbit, and that is easily explained. Maybe he doesn't want to do big films? - Shore is someone who has intense director-composer relationships (PJ, David Fincher, Cronenberg) and he strikes me as the type that got his chance to do his (non-fly) opera and is happy. I realize that sounds like a throw-away answer, but like Mark said, Shore became A-list the moment FOTR hit, and as he's still working, I think that has to qualify him.
Sure, Gladiator was a big movie, but not on the level of SW or LOTR, so I guess we can throw out Zimmer as well. - Yeah, apart from it being a huge box office hit that won BEST PICTURE. Sorry, that was a huge picture.
James Newton Howard, worked on, well Batman, but that is no where near SW or LOTR, and he did little on that anyway. - I didn't mention JNH, I'm not even sure I agree that he's on the list, but he's worked on some big shows, such as KONG, the Shamalyans, I AM LEGEND. But I'm undecided.
Now I know I am exagerating, I just want to show you what we can end up with. I consider A-list composers to be composers who are continually sought-after in the film making industry today. Shore isn't. Powell has already made 5 films this year. - Maybe Shore chooses his scores more carefully than Powell. The mark here isn't quantity, it's quality. Williams, Goldsmith, Morricone, Shore. They've proved that they can provide scores to pretty big/important movies (like THE FLY and THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS and SE7EN) consistently. The only person aside from you I've ever heard going on about how great Powell is is Koray. Again, that's not to say he sucks or anything like that. He's just not in the bigtime. But he could be.
Edit: I wrote this before seeing the post above it
I mean big budget A-list worthy films.Hmm.
ALIEN
PLANET OF THE APES
THE OMEN
STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE
L.A. CONFIDENTIAL
GREMLINS
TOTAL RECALL
POLTERGEIST
PATTON
Never heard of Gremlins, Total Recall, or Poltergeist. Most of the others I have only heard of in conjunction with Goldsmith's name.
Now, of course, I am of the younger generation. But, according to your definition of A-list, that shouldn't matter.
You've never heard of GREMLINS? Seriously?
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I mean big budget A-list worthy films.
Hmm.
ALIEN
PLANET OF THE APES
THE OMEN
STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE
L.A. CONFIDENTIAL
GREMLINS
TOTAL RECALL
POLTERGEIST
PATTON
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That's why I put to a degree. I think he is probably known a bit, mostly as 'The dude who wrote the OMEN music (which interestingly a lot of people misquote)), maybe as Mr. Star Trek, and possibly gets a bit of recognition (not enough), but Shore I think broke over with LOTR which, like GLADIATOR, I think had a lot of non-soundtrack buyers suddenly purchasing. Maybe even not as the name, but enough people loved and bought those three soundtracks enough to make him hit the big time (and deservedly).
I'm not trying to say Powell and HGW don't deserve a bit more recognition. I'm not saying they do either, but I don't think they're there yet at all.
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This is what I was wondering about. In that case, both HGW and JP are A-list, whether you like it or not.
HGW, the Narnia films.
JP, the Bourne films.
There are others, but those are obviously big budget movies in the past few years.
None of those are really looked upon in the way LOTR are or something like that is. NARNIA is considered LOTR-lite, and hasn't set the world or the box office particularly alight, and the BOURNE flicks are considered very well made action movies. LOTR is a stone-cold phenomenon and the Star Wars of the 00s.
Those aren't choice 'ohmygodi'dkilltoworkonthose' projects. LOTR is. STAR WARS is. BATMAN is. Hell, even STAR TREK is in some ways. Shore and Zimmer, like Williams and Goldsmith (to a degree) before them are now known to housewifes and non-soundtrack nerds across the globe thanks to LOTR and GLADIATOR. That makes them A-list composers. They are the go to guys, whereas Powell and HGW are the guys you go to when Zimmer or Shore or Elfman or Horner or JNH turn you down. Doesn't mean they're bad composers, they're just not on the bigtime for whatever reason.
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I much prefer Empire. Who liked it as well.
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I wouldn't call myself either, but the film does some pretty terrible things to Batman and what had been established before. Not hugely worse than the previous two movies, but Two Face's character was gutted completely and Batman himself wasn't really treated much better. Couple that with some awful writing (Akiva bloody Goldsman), and the sub-BLADE RUNNER approach the production design took. It seemed like Schumacher wasn't interested in taking the material at all seriously, and that took it in a pretty generic direction (especially when he said in an interview that Batman needed to get over his parents and lighten up). I guess from my point of view, at that point I was looking to see someone really take a proper crack at Batman (at least in live-action, as the Animated Series nailed the character from day one) and a more serious treatment, which is one of the reasons I like BEGINS so much. I guess it was truthful to the 60s Batman in some respects. Not that that's a good thing.
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BATMAN FOREVER isn't as terrible a movie as BATMAN & ROBIN
True, next to BATMAN & ROBIN, FOREVER looks like CHINATOWN. I can't remember a note of B&R's score though. I sholuld track it down, really...
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I think it's an underrated flick. Unnecessary, probably, but it takes a different approach to the first movie and still works pretty well. It helps that it's tied together by a pretty great Scheider performance.