untouchables
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Does anyone know if the the track of Star Trek tv theme performed by John Williams and the Boston Pops Orchestra is arranged by Alexander Courage or John Williams?
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To be clear I don't said that Alan Silvestri is leader in film music, I just said he is leader to be the best successor of John Williams style.
I far prefer Alan Silvestri to copyste like has Zimmer.
He has very varied style using big orchestra, guitar, piano (héroic, action, romantic, ...) and he has even arranged some of his scores.
Of course I don't compare him with orginal composers like Henry Mancini or Ennio Morricone.
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Very interesting article in french explaining the hacking method used by some musicians in Hollywood from classical composers and other original score composers.
We discovered for exemple that Hans Zimmer (in his « Sherlock Holmes. A game of shadows » (2011)) has hacked music of Morricone from "Once upon time in west" (1968) and "Bluebeard" (1972).
Danny Elfman hacked music of Richard Strauss "Thus Spake Zarathustra" in "Batman".
Alan Menken hacked the music of Saint-Saëns « The Beauty and the Beast ».
Hans Zimmer in Da Vinci Code uses variation of theme "Fire Bird, lullaby" of Stravinsky.
John Willaims uses some sequences of Stravinsky is Star Wars.
The article also distinguish between original composers who get real formation (Morricone, Rozsa, Williams...) and some new generation of musicians who don't get real formation and want to get popularity quickly.
Article in french:
http://www.cinezik.o...=20130107044329
Article in english:
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I think that Alan Silvestri is the new veteran in Hollywood and the successor of John Willaims.
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Vangelis has released his first concert in Doha (Qatar) with new work after Mythodia in 2001, this is an exclusive interview with Aljazeera Channel and some footage from this event:
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2012/01/201211895013885489.html
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Do you know this wonderful CD?
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My favorite score ever is "Dances with wolves", there is another less known masterpiece "across the sea of time".
His last composition was song with Don Black for Shirley Bassey (2009).
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Darn!
I thought it's an upcoming JW concert in Japan!
Anyway, the video is great.
I think JW has decided to not leave US since decades!
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rare concert outside America, Sunhall Tokyo, 1987
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I think Delerue's original cue is just as powerful, if not better.
yes, I has even war muisic collection that include themes such Lawrence of arabia and the English Patient.
Lawrence of Arabia is historic and war movie.
Uprising is last movie war of Maurice Jarre (2001).
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Who is the best composer for war movies?
hard to decide, but I think that Maurice Jarre is the best in that field because his filmography and style were very rich with war themes:
Lawrence of Arabia- Dr Zhivago- Paris burning- The Man Who Would Be King-the Message- the Lion of Desert-Sunshine and his last movie Uprising.
I think that his success come from his versatile use of percussion.
Other good composers for war themes are: JW, Miklos Rozsa, Alan silvestri and Hans Zimmer.
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I misread the topic title at first....
I don't know what do you mean!, Cosma is a great composer who did all things himself, "The Jaguar" recorded with the LSO is well known in US.
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this is a short report about the latest Concert of M Vladimir Cosma in Paris, great concert full of melodies.
Cosma had to write the music of Conan the Barbarian but he changed opinion, he has also rejected many projects from Hollywood in 90s.
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Elfman is a box of noises!...no more.
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Actually,the only one who deserves Oscar and will succeed the veterans is Alan Silvestri...shame on hollywood board who gave award for videogame composer and ignore Silvestri.
I will open a topic about silvestri.
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professionals like Williams, Morricone, Goldsmith, Mancini, Yared didn't won oscar before 10 years of hard works,.
and this guy who have a "degree in history" win many prizes and want to conduct an orchestra too
i don't believe on those hollywood jury. puppets!
I will leave my country and try my chance in Hollywood, maybe i am a good composer!
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the joos moguls who control hollywood will recruit and encourage the new generation!
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This was happening last year, it's concerning the latest Academy awarded musician Micael Giacchino!
this man has done some work in Jurassik Park score Lost World!
Michael Giacchino Getting The Axe As Oscar Conductor?
Trouble a brewin' in the orchestra pit of the Oscars? That's what we're hearing. And now a blogspot has popped up and is airing the internal grievance publicly.
The gist is composer Michael Giacchino ("Ratatouille," "Star Trek," "Up") was offered the gig as conductor/composer for the Academy Award ceremony by Oscar show producers Laurence Mark and Bill Condon, (formerly a position held by Bill Conti who did the job successfully for 21 years) but Giachhino is apparently what they call in the score industry a "hummer" - he can't actually read or write music and this is causing some major issues. And Conti apparently didn't know this before he hired the composer. In fact, he just found out according to this report.
"Yesterday's rehearsal with the orchestra was not good. The orchestra was polite (they all have a lot of money riding on the continuing charade of Mr. Giacchino's orchestral output), but afterwards were discussing the possibility that Mr. Giacchino's conductor Tim Simonec would be needed to come in to add some 'professional help."
Our source is telling us this is a real actual problem happening in the here and now. The report continues.
"When Mr. Giacchino took the job the hope had been that most of the music would be pre-recorded and Mr. Giacchino would get a nod from the host like Mr. Conti had gotten and no one in the audience would be the wiser.
However, when there are five nominees and the conductor has to know the tempos and time signatures for all five themes and do it live, then a degree of competence is required. Especially in front of a billion or whatever people."
So the rumor/word is now that Giacchino just might be replaced at the last minute. Seat of the pants Oscars? Will Simonec take over, period? Word is they're doing their best to have everything fixed and pre-recorded, but some of the professional musicians are out and out amazed (and potentially outraged) that this is happening.
yep this is the new generarion, I don't know why Hollywood still recruit those spongers artists who can't wrire/read music?
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The series of "in the tracks of " may be concluded by a new documentary about JW,
the country is Belgium, France.
it would be the first doc I suppose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Tracks_of
http://www.prelightfilms.com/prelightfilms-en.html
I wish to get in the tracks of Maurice Jarre (2007)
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Old news, been posted here before.
And it's MIKLOS.
It may be "old news", but I probably never would have seen it were it not for this Thread, and I for one am grateful for it.
thanks, I just wonder if Miklos Rozsa was ochestrating his own themes or just calling for the help of those crappy hollywood orchestrators!?
Depended on the film, really. On something like Crisis he wouldn't have needed an orchestrator. But he did do sketches, much like Williams' own, where he specified what he wanted and the orchestrator in most instances became a glorified copyist. I do believe that Rozsa preferred to do his own orchestrations, but he was required by him MGM contract to use an orchestrator. He had his regulars though, like Eugene Zador, that knew and understood his music well.
ok, but I can't imagine that there is any forced task against composers to adopt foreign orchestrators, B. Herrmann was doing all the work himself without restriction!
by the way, I just discover that Rozsa is also a brilliant conductor
in the same show, Williams conduct Superman
his arms were more light than today
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Old news, been posted here before.
And it's MIKLOS.
It may be "old news", but I probably never would have seen it were it not for this Thread, and I for one am grateful for it.
thanks, I just wonder if Miklos Rozsa was ochestrating his own themes or just calling for the help of those crappy hollywood orchestrators!?
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a rare Tv show including Williams & Milkos Rozsa talking film music composing with the joo Previn
I think it's from 70s or begining 80s.
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No film score by Williams was ever rejected. What has happened, probably on most scores, is having cues rejected, and to have them redone, or edited, at the director/producer request.
The only film project were Williams worked that as was mostly rejected, was a André Previn later score for The Swinger (1968, I believe). Previn wrote the score and songs, of which only one song survived. Williams work on that one was that of conducting. So the rejection wasn't really torward his work.
Nevertheless, Williams did have a sort of a rejection, not on film, but rather on the concert hall. In the 90's he was comissioned by Leonard Slatkin and the National Symphony Orchestra a song cycle for Kathleen Battle. In 1997, when the score for "Seven for Luck", based on poems by Rita Dove, was ready for premiere -- the performance was scheduled and anounced -- the whole thing was cancelled because Ms. Battle thought the score was too dificult to be sung (she was likelly expecting some Hollywood piece of crap kind of song... surelly she lacks knowledge about Williams, the composer.)
The cycle, was premiered the following year in Tanglewood, with Williams conducting the Boston Symphony Orchestra, and young soprano Cinthya Haymon. The premiere received great reviews and both Williams and Sony producers expressed interest in recording it.
K. Battle didn't want to perform in the song because she believed that coordinating with "film composer" is not very well for her career!
I wonder how she accepted to team with Vangelis later
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did Williams have any rejected score?
anyone is produced on special cd?
Star Trek Theme
in JOHN WILLIAMS
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Williams and Goldsmith never orchestrate the music. Except for Schindler List and JFK Williams never orchestrate an album!
Anyway Alexander Courage original theme is different from Pops Boston version but it seems his arrangement, a brilliant theme and orchestration that symbolize fraternity.