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  1. I completely agree with Paleo's take on the score. It's hollow, it is not memorable at all, and it is not dramatic to me in the slightest. It is boring, useless, filler music that may barely even serve the scenes they are meant to accompany. Listening to it all the way through made me feel quite angry afterwards, actually. Like others have said, they had so much time to fix this score if they wanted to, but didn't. I am very, very scared of the fate of The Deathly Hallows. I am already not a big fan of David Yates's take on the films. I certainly don't think he has the talent to pull off any thrilling action, if the last film was any evidence, and from what I heard from this new one of him skimping out on the action in the finale. For anyone who has read the final book the last two films will be based on, there is one major setpiece of action to the next. It should feel thrilling and exciting, and I am worried it won't at all. Which is a huge, huge shame. Though I am already worried about Yates, I am more worried now about Hooper. His style of music, which has now shown to be quite worse than I originally thought, will NOT work with the final story. It truly won't, if they really are doing it like the book and filling it with as many scenes as they can. I hope Warner Brothers will realize this and choose someone- anyone- to replace him and go for someone more action-oriented or even just capable of dramatic music. I think now is an appropriate time for me to pull out this petition I did for John Williams to do Deathly Hallows a long time before all of this. It was posted in JWFAN news sometime before the Indy box set came out, and got about 500 sigs. Well let's add more... and maybe we can at least show Warner Brothers we are NOT happy. All of this has actually made me quite angry as to how it could all turn out. I'm fearing the worst. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/William...lows/index.html
  2. You seem to make a lot of good decisions in acquiring scores and getting good deals on amazon. And clearly, you make some very good decisions right here on this board as well.
  3. Ah, you did, did you? Who did you go with? Do I know him?
  4. Did this journey happen to be to California to visit a certain JWFAN forum member?
  5. So there still isn't anything worthwhile (from Williams anyway) to rip from the Staff of Kings game? That is a shame. Even more of a shame I guess that I heard the game wasn't that great, really. So now we just have hope then for the Lego Indiana Jones 2 game? And perhaps Lego Indiana Jones 3 when the 5th movie comes out.
  6. Score: 5 Movie: 5 Theme: Short Round This is, without a doubt, my favorite Indiana Jones score, and is one of my favorite scores of all time! I like all the other Indy scores (yes, that even includes Kingdom of the Crystal Skull) but I consider this one a clear standout. They are all 5 star scores (except that 4th one I already mentioned, more like a 4), but this one would be a 6 if there was such a rating. It just goes above and beyond what I expect from scores these days. It is fun almost all the way through, with loud and crazy themes that play off of each other, a motiff for just about every type of event and character you can think of (including water!), and has, in my opinion, the best moments featuring the Indy theme EVER (who can resist it's triumphant take in "Short Round Helps" as it plays off of Shorty's theme?). It's also the darkest and most intense Indy score, and the evil Kali chanting is classic and well known even with non-score fans. It's one of the few scores I can listen to all the way through without skipping a track (and I of course mean the recent Concord CD release). As for the film, it is also my favorite Indiana Jones film. I'm sure many here don't have that same view, as most people discard the film, but I love it for it's over-the-top insanity, which the score greatly reflects. Sure it gets silly and stupid, and to some, annoying, but that's what oddly makes it fun for me to watch, and see Indy reacting to his fish-out-of-water sidekicks and the darkness of a cult. I do like all of the Indy films, but this one was always the most entertaining to me. And who doesn't get a kick out of the mine car chase, with it's frantic music pulsating with every dip on the track? The theme to choose in this poll was a bit hard since I love both themes almost equally. But in the end, Short Round had the most memorable theme of the two and some of the most interesting renditions and playful use (again, the cue Short Round Helps is a stand out). I guess everyone has their own personal favorite Indy score, though. Someone very close to me favors Last Crusade, score and film. Do most people here favor the same Indy score that goes with the same film they prefer? Hmmm...
  7. Yeah, by me!!! And you ended up almost liking it! And you didn't like Star Trek! You've become... my... polar... opposite... Nooooooooooo!
  8. I wonder if it will be easier to rip music from PS2 or WII for the Staff of Kings game? Does anyone here know how to do either one?
  9. Score: 5 Movie: 5 Favorite Theme: Island Theme This movie and score is my most personal. It is the movie that got me into movies and the score that got me into scores. So there is no way I could personally rate either one lower than the highest rating. I admit that there are better made movies and scores (by Williams and others) that have a better overall quality, but both are so etched into my childhood and my "purpose" that they will always be number 1. I still think the movie is one of the best action/adventure movies, especially of the 90s. I never quite get why so many people bash the actors in the movie. Sure there are some cheesy moments with them, but I don't think the characters are that thin. Especially when you look at action films of today... eesh! And regardless of the acting, the movie still holds some truly classic scenes that are unforgettable, such as the helicopter's journey to the island (music helped with that), the raptors in the kitchen, and of course, the T-Rex attack on the tour cars. As for the score... it is simply wonderful to listen to, but with some reservations, mostly due to the CD's organization and setup. I have always, ALWAYS hated non-chronological CDs, and this one is no exception. I also wish there was more from the score on the CD, like one my favorite cues, the T-Rex Jeep Chase! But the real crime is the very, very unnecessary copy and paste job they did for the End Credits. Why did they do make a short edited version when they included the actual end credits (titled Welcome to Jurassic Park) already! They could have used that unnecessary space for some other music from the film, or even nothing would have been better. It's just interesting, however, to point out that so many people love the music from Jurassic Park, even those who don't generally listen to movie scores. It's two grand sweeping themes have captivated many. But luckily for film score fans there are other themes and motiffs that have also always been a joy to listen to (the sad music for Hammond, the peaceful herbivore music, the haunting and scary carnivore motiff, and even the almost outlandish Dennis Nedry music). And compared to other Williams scores, there is some strange quality to this one. It just sounds... different. I don't know if it is the mixing (which is great, btw!) or what... but the tone and mood of the entire score is very different to me than anything he has done. So... those are my thoughts. Oh, also... do check out the book if you can. It is, of course, also my favorite book, and even if you don't believe the story is possible, it is a very entertaining fantasy. Sometimes it does get a little talky on the scientific ideas, but those are what makes the book seem so real sometimes. And besides, before it goes on too long you get into some very exciting sequences that are much more elaborate than in the film, for the most part. And some of them ended up being put in the 3rd film because it would have cost so much to have them, at the time, in the first film.
  10. My little review of TERMINATOR SALVATION: What the hell?! Those are the first words to pop in my head after seeing this film. And I don't mean "What the hell?!" as in "wow there was so much crazy stuff going on, what did I just see?!", but more like "wow what was the purpose of this film at all?". This movie is the worst thing I have seen all year. I mean, this was supposed to be the film every TERMINATOR fan has always wanted to see: the future war! But let me just tell you now: the mere glimpses you see in the previous films are way, way better than this film. Let's have a brief rundown of why this movie is horrible: -Very bad and very thin plot. -Average to bad acting. -Cliches up the kazoo. -Bad soundtrack (and it was by Danny Elfman, too, who I usually like!), except for the all-too-brief quotes of the TERMINATOR theme. -Lame use of an Arnold cameo. -Incredibly slow pacing throughout. -Nothing looks very interesting or visually spectacular. -Only two action sequences go on for very long. One is very Transformers-esque (meaning you want to scream: it's been done already, recently, and better!), the other is too similar in ways to the final duel in T2. -Nothing was compelling, nothing felt dramatic. No tension. -Insulting use of popular quotes from the previous films. -Didn't care about any of the characters. None were cool, except Kyle Reese, but they never gave him much to do. -Stupid character of a little girl who is basically a plot device to give main characters useful things, sort of like a Felix The Cat bag, but a person. ... I could go on, but I won't. I think you get the idea. This is the worst summer film I have seen in a long time, and it had very high expectations from a lot of people. The worst thing about the movie is that it was not fun at all. It was painful. And they want to make this into a trilogy? Count me out. And if this is the Future War... where is all the fighting? Where is all of the suspense? Even terror? No? Proper atmosphere? None of it is there! Which leaves you wondering why they made this and who the film was really for. Gullible fans I guess, but unfortunately that makes me and every other TERMINATOR fan gullible because we have almost all wanted to see what this movie was supposed to be, and no matter what any fan hears or reads, even my review, you will want to see it anyway. But really, guys. It IS that bad. People may bash TERMINATOR 3, but it was a masterpiece compared to this outing. At least that movie was fun and exciting, as goofy as it sometimes got. So, sorry everyone, but this one has killed the franchise for me. No more. I'm sure James Cameron will be pissed if he ever sees it. For those that want a movie version of the Future War that is better, just go to Universal Studios and experience the T2: 3D attraction. It takes you into the future war and is far more exciting than anything presented in this new film. And it has Arnold and was directed by James Cameron! It also features the T-1 Million: a scary spider-like liquid Terminator that has unfairly never been used in the other films. Now there is something that needs to be put on DVD! I can only hope. Because I wouldn't buy or see this new movie again for a penny. I will list the two strong points of the film: -Great special effects. -Great animatronic effects, featuring the last Stan Winston ever did. It's too bad however that this film is dedicated to him. He deserved a better last outing.
  11. I rated 3.5 for both score and film. Originally the impression the score on CD gave me was no more than a 3. But after incorporating the extended bits of the Jungle Chase and the entire Warehouse Escape track from the Pre-Viz DVD bonus features, those two tracks alone bumped up the score as a whole in my opinion. The Jungle Chase in it's entirety (or near-entirety) is a classic Indiana Jones action cue, IMO. As it was on the OST, it was not. And that Warehouse Escape cue is one of my favorites from the score, and I think Williams made a big mistake not including it at all on the OST in favor of slower cues of underscore. For the other Indy scores I would give a 4 for Raiders and Last Crusade and a 5 for Temple of Doom. As for the film, I remember being really upset the first time I saw it. I didn't like it much at all, and originally would have given it something like a 2. But as I have seen it more, I have grown to like it a lot more. But it still is subpar to the original films, which I give all 5s for those.
  12. Definitely JURASSIC PARK 3. It's the fun and silly version of JURASSIC PARK (score and film) and has always been a very entertaining listen. I like listening to it much more than THE LOST WORLD: JURASSIC PARK mostly because it actually incorporates multiple themes and motifs from the first film (and even hints from the second film if you listen closely). And when Don Davis isn't using the original themes he creates some interesting and fun new ones for the film. If any of you have ever been afraid to hear this score, you got to check it out. And it's even better in it's complete form, which a promo was made for it. There was even once clips of unreleased material on Don's official site, but it all can be found in near-CD quality... elsewhere. The only bad thing about the original album CD is the inclusion of that stupid "Big Hat, No Cattle" song. Yeah, it's in the movie, but in one random scene when they are at a restaurant in the background! Why did it have to be on CD and take up space for more original music? I hate those kind of decisions. I also hate that it was one of those "enhanced CDs" where you put them in your computer and it has this "bonus content" that loads. The only cool stuff it really had was the good version of the trailer (not the one they have on the DVDs), a text interview with Don Davis, and a trailer for a really cool looking JURASSIC PARK game that actually never got completed or released. Shame, looked much better than Operation Genesis, and probably would have had more exciting music, too.
  13. For those who don't want to buy the game you could always rent it and then "do what you need to" with it to get the music...
  14. Odd that they said it would be "never before heard" music from Raiders and TOD. I mean to specifically mention that aspect. Especially to say that for Raiders, I mean there isn't much more music unreleased for it. And none at all from Last Crusade? That's kind of weird. I guess I can understand why no Crystal Skull music, though. I wonder if this music will be easy to get from the game files, since the game will be released on only PS2, WII, DS, and PSP. Granted that's if there really is any unreleased content, and without any sound effects on it.
  15. You may be right there... but what about these parts of "Earth" VS "Planet Earth". Below, compare these parts in the two films. I believe the following parts at least have been re-recorded by Fenton: When the wolf chases the caribou. The film version has a much more thrilling and exciting cue, fuller orchestra. When the little ducks jump out of the tree. Seems much more dramatic in parts near the end than I remember. Possibly when the lions start to get on the elephant, trying to take it down. Sounds more intense. When the dolphins appear and the swordfish do their chase. Again more thrilling and exciting. I noticed also there are parts they DEFINATELY rescored for the US version only (I have now seen the UK version to compare). The part where they reveal the Angel Falls waterfall is rescored to have a more ethnic sound, as is the the very end of the film (where they changed the ending a bit, not making it as dark, and showing scenes again of stuff you have... already seen) again with the same ethnic sound. They also added bits of comedic jazzy music when you see the birds do their mating dance and when the baboons are swimming around in the water. All of these bits I don't think were scored by Fenton, though. I noticed in the end credits (which also seems to have unknown music) they listed additional composers. I could be wrong about most or ALL of this (lol) but this is what I gathered.
  16. I'm pretty sure at least for the American release of "Earth" that I just saw that the music was rerecorded by Fenton, like he did for "Blue Planet". The music sounded so much bolder and more powerful than it did on the show in it's performance, and that is not just because it was played on louder speakers, lol. I really, really hope Disney issues a CD of this version of the score. And I think you are right, Koray Savas. I did hear about the "three families" they were meant to follow, I forgot about that. And it was the polar bears, elephants, and the whales they followed, for the most part. They sidetracked a little bit on some other species but not for very long, of course.
  17. I just saw "Earth" yesterday (an edited, shorter Disney version of the popular BBC miniseries "Planet Earth") and liked it very much, although I wish they would have showed a bit more from the series (nothing from my favorite episode "Caves" gets shown in the film at all, which I thought was a serious misstep) instead of focusing on some other things for too long (the polar bears get way too much screen time, such as the elephants). However it was a good "general" presentation of what the series is like. One thing, actually, that I think almost topped the series though was the music, scored again by George Fenton. Unlike the television version, you can tell he was able to work with a bigger orchestra here, and the performances show a great improvement with their bold statements. The action sequences also sound faster and scarier. He uses what sounds like the same themes from the television version, though a bit different. I MUST get this version he did for the movie! Does anyone agree? Unfortunately, I do not see it listed on Amazon.com or on Disney's site. Only the 2CD soundtrack for the television series "Planet Earth" version. Anyone know of any details of when this comes out or if it will at all?
  18. I listened to parts of this score a week ago and when I did I wanted to finally get the exclusive Target edition with the bonus track "On The Conveyorbelt", for that was actually the track I always wanted on the regular CD! Now I listened to the whole thing and I actually like it a lot better than I used to. The inclusion of that track helped. It's one of my favorites for some odd reason. Does anyone know where the name for the bonus track "On The Conveyorbelt" came from? I mean obviously it's named for the scene it goes with, but I noticed the packaging does not list the name of the bonus track anywhere.
  19. Do you consider the "Ewok Celebration" a non-score cue? It's impossible for it to be a non-score cue, at least on the film version, because those certainly aren't ewoks singing. I put the SE Finale without the end credits just before the Gerhardt cues. Exactly. And it is not even source music.
  20. Do you consider the "Ewok Celebration" a non-score cue?
  21. I just got this Twlight Zone release in the mail today! Very special thanks to a certain forum member getting it for me. Anyway... lol. The soundtrack and it's presentation is fantastic! Sound quality is superb and it really is, as advertised, the complete score including unused music, album edits, and the two songs made for the film. The one thing almost better than the music itself is the incredible booklet that comes with it. It has a nice design with a great amount of photos and delves not only into the behind-the-scenes of the score in detail (with quotes and essays from various people), but the actual movie itself. This in itself is great since the DVD release had NO bonus features except for a theatrical trailer, and if anyone knows about the film, it had a troubled production due to a fatal plane crash incident with Vic Morrow (which does get mentioned in the booklet).. A lot of the behind-the-scenes info mentioned in the booklet I never knew about (for example, the original stories Spielberg was going to adapt before settling with "Kick The Can", the original concept of the movie being just one story instead of 4, the original intended order of the segments, deleted scenes, etc). So for those who are fans of the movie itself, this booklet alone is reason to get the soundtrack. The only thing I didn't really like in this release was the fact that near the end of the final track for "Kick The Can" cues was a voiceover of the Scathman Crothers character doing this short little singing bit over the music, like in the movie. It kind of goes with the music but wasn't really necessary and kind of breaks the flow, I think. Luckily this is remedied in the Album edit, which has the same piece of music but without the voiceover.
  22. I didn't say I thought that now, I said I thought that 12 years ago when I made my cassette tape complete score edits I haven't revisited OT stuff in a looong time What?! If you haven't revisited the OT in a "loooong time" then why oh why are you giving me information and advice?! You know... you should just stick with the Indiana Jones trilogy, you hack! ... oh I'm just kidding! I'm just going to decide myself on this one. Apparently Paleo told me that Boston Pops did a rendition of the Jabba the Hutt concert version as well. Have to give that a listen, too. And since we are on the subject of ROTJ, how many of you include the "Special Edition" tracks on your edit? Like the SE version of the Finale (replacing the nostalgic and wonderful Ewok Celebration- how could they!) and the ever-painful "Jedi Rocks", which is far worse than Lapti Nek.
  23. Of course, I actually have the Sony Williams conducts Williams Star Wars CD that features the Jabba the Hutt track! lol. I totally forgot about that recording of it. I also was able to now hear the Gerhardt version, and it sounds good, too. But you think the Sony CD has the better version? Hmm... this will be hard to decide for me. I don't really want to include both. I guess it's just a matter of preference. I also got to listen to the Gerhardt Ewok Celebration track. It's quite a bit different in style than the film or alternate JW versions, but it's also quite unique and like it! I'll definitely include this one on my set at least. I'm surprised no other rerecording has attempted this version.
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