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Wow... I made front page news at Jwfan... holy monkeys... LOL
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Well, since doing our own edits is inevitable, I was wondering if anyone had any luck of getting a DVD rip of the "Anything Goes" moment for NIGHTCLUB BRAWL to overlay/mix correctly. I'm having an impossible time... even tried messing with pitches, etc. I always get pretty close, but not close enough!
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For those of you who have a myspace (although I think even without one you can still look) at the link below you can see my album of pics I took of the new Indy set!
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?...;albumId=840159
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Okay I got my set today and listened to the entire Temple of Doom CD. Just from this one CD and all the artwork and stuff, I do LOVE this set and I think it's amazing to hear a lot of these unreleased cues (even in an alternate form) in a sound quality that may not be perfect but it blows away any DVD rip!
Suffice to say, I think I prefer the OST sound quality of Temple of Doom (I think I downloaded APEs of the Japanese version, which I guess was in better quality?). But that's why we have the "magic" of sound editing to just use the great unreleased portions from this box set to make our own personal edits! So for those of you complaining, I don't see why. It's an opportunity to edit and "update" what a lot of us already have (DVD rips/edits).
Now... it was said before that "Short Round Helps" sounded a bit different in sound quality, and I think they were right. Although it isn't really sound quality that is the problem, I think it is purely a pitch problem. It plays too slow. In fact, if you compare the first section of it to the Lego Game's file that featured the unreleased portion, it is more obvious that on CD it is slower. The lego file had it at the correct pitch. Any help as to how to make the pitch of this one track match?
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Wait, does it immediately reflect the lower price?
I think it does. The other day when it was 46.99 and went down to 44.99, my account said it was still 46.99. But the next day it did indeed go down to 44.99.
Although now the page says 41.99, and my account is still at 44.99. So I am sure by tomorrow it will match again.
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I'm sticking with my Amazon.com preorder. They have yet to ever fail me (been buying stuff from them for years now) and let us look at the price difference.
My pre-order price at Amazon.com is currently $46.99. I selected 2-day shipping, which adds $6.98. This totals to $53.97.
At MovieMusic.com, they do have the low price of $39.99. However, their 2nd day shipping, according to their "help" page, is $13.99. This totals to $53.98.
So... there you have it. You actually pay .01 cent more at MovieMusic.com, lol. Which is really nothing, I know, but it makes the choice between the two companies now merely based on your preference. I have never ordered from MovieMusic.com and don't know how reliable they really are, so I am sticking with what I know and trust. Especially for something as big as this. And I'm saving a penny! lol.
I didn't look at the price difference with other shipping methods because I am only interested in the 2 day method. I don't want to wait too long for it, nor do I want to pay any extreme price for a single day of shipping. This option always works best for me.
Don't you love marketing tactics? MovieMusic.com sure made it seem attractive, lol. Although maybe it is a lot cheaper at MovieMusic.com for the slower shipping methods for those who are willing to wait longer. I, on the other hand, simply cannot.
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0:14:18-0:17:42 (3:34) Map / Out Of Fuel (3:21 on Concord)
I just noticed there is a 13 second difference between the film length and the Concord track with this cue. I wonder what they cut out of it? If I would have to guess it could be the brief moment before the great map music actually starts where Indy and Willie Scott argue on the plane. What do you guys think?
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Oh, now I remember one more I have always wanted:
GREMLINS- Classic Jerry Goldsmith score that desperately needs to be officially released in full. Judging by all of the Goldsmith releases finally coming to CD these days, it probably won't be much longer before this finally happens.
and for the hell of it:
GREMLINS 2- Okay, like what I said for Jurassic Park, this one actually did get a decent album release. However, it is out of print, and there were some very fun moments not included on the CD (one of my favorites being when the gremlin who grew wings attacks the Futtermans and then becomes a gargoyle after being pushed into the wet cement).
Maybe they can release both of these as two complete score 2CD set? I am sure each film's complete score can be comfortably set on one CD a piece (unless they tried to include alternates or concert arrangements). Would be a very attractive product for us score fans.
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Howard Shore's KING KONG- Only a few seconds of this score was heard on a production diary for the Peter Jackson film. This score was famously rejected in favor of James Newton Howard's score. Although apparently not all of it was recorded, I would love to hear what was, and maybe synth versions of the unrecorded cues.
JURASSIC PARK- The album is a fair representation of the movie, but with some great missing cues (The Jeep Chase being my personal favorite) and strange arrangement decisions (Having the End Credits music labeled as "Welcome to Jurassic Park" and then having "End Credits" just be an edit from the exact same track make no sense to me at all, and consider it a waste of album space that could have went to some unreleased material) this score could use a complete re-release. Besides, it's the score of my personal favorite movie.
HONEY, I SHRUNK THE KIDS- Say what you will about James Horner (most of which I actually agree with, good and bad), but his zany score for the sort-of classic Disney film is full of such energy and shameless fun that even when it steals from Amarcord (sp?), Goonies, and even himself, it is a jazzy fun ride! Though luckily a fairly good sounding complete bootleg for this score does exist, it could use an official release. This will probably never happen though due to the legality issues involved.
GOONIES- Dave Grusin's catchy and fun score for the famous cult favorite needs a full release; not the two or three tracks currently present on the original album with all those gummy 80's pop songs.
There are probably more that I would buy in a heartbeat if ever released, but those were the first that came to mind.
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Why are some of you saying we're still are missing the film version of the TOD end credits? There's a few seconds missing at most
26 seconds to be exact, and it's arguable the best and most important 26 seconds... it's the part where Indy's A Theme plays with Short Round's Theme in counterpoint. It's inexcusable it wasn't included.
Not to mention that fact that we now can't properly join "Return To The Village" with the "End Credits" because its the FIRST 26 seconds of the End Credits that are missing.... and the same 32 seconds from "Return To The Village" are repeated on discs 2 and 5.
But luckily we can at least do a clean edit of the first 26 seconds using the RPO re-recording. Sure it isn't the original, but it sounds pretty good and it isn't a DVD rip, so the sound quality change won't be noticed at all. It's better than not having it at all, which apparently is our current situation.
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1:43:16-1:45:21 (2:05) Bridge Percussion (not on Concord!)
In this case, when using the Lego Indiana Jones game music files we have available, how accurately could we assemble this cue using the least amount of DVD rip as possible?
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there is a truckload of unreleased music in the documentaries themselves.
Are those in 5.1?
Nope. At least on the normal DVD they're in 2.0 at 192 kHz.
Standard DVD is indeed 2.0 but the BLU RAY has all of the special features in HD, so I assume the sound is as well. Anyone got the BLU RAY edition and willing to take a crack at it?
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I happen to like the end credits rendition of the Raiders theme. I can't see myself editing it out.
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Well, since most people here only want Warehouse Escape and some extended form of the Jungle Chase (whether in 3 parts, one complete whole, or just slightly expanded), I have made my own single CD tracklist for those who like doing such things.
I wanted it to still fit on one CD, but that meant I had to take off 2 previous tracks. The first obvious one was the "Raiders March" since it is available on many other CDs (and it surely isn't anything new for this score). I had a hard time for a while deciding what the other dropped track would be (still needed room) but I ended up getting rid of "Orellana's Cradle". To me this track always dragged on and on and didn't have much of interest or anything that wasn't heard elsewhere. It was also, personally, at my least favorite moment in the film where I thought it had REALLY stopped dead with exposition and a rather uninteresting discovery of the Crystal Skull and Orellana and his men. So it was good to have that reminder omitted.
I originally was just going to cut out the 2nd half of "Journey to Akator" since it was basically like source music, but couldn't edit it right without it fading out too suddenly, or just sounding "fan edited". If anyone has any idea or has made a really, really good edit of this, let me know.
Anyway, lol. Here is my personal track list. It is pretty much in film order (I know some parts need to be edited around for that to be totally true, but this is close enough), but with the concert arrangements starting off. I'll probably never listen to the OST again. The whole thing flows so much better. Especially with the new stuff.
01- Call of the Crystal
02- The Adventures of Mutt
03- Irina's Theme
04- The Spell of the Skull
05- Warehouse Escape*
06- A Whirl Through Academe
07- The Journey to Akator
08- Oxley's Dilemma
09- Grave Robbers
10- Secret Doors and Scorpions
11- "Return"
12- The Snake Pit
13- The Jungle Chase (Expanded)*
14- Ants!
15- Hidden Treasure and the City of Gold
16- Temple Ruins and the Secret Revealed
17- The Departure
18- Finale
Now this is an Indiana Jones score.
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...Also ,for Warehouse Escape ,instead of letting the second sustained note at the end cut off abruptly ,I just looped the first (identical) sustained note which is much longer and let it fade slowly.
What I did for this was use a tiny bit of a DVD rip of the last note (it goes on a bit longer before the SFX happen then on the PreViz) and then I actually used the very end of the Jungle Chase Previz note over it to make it have a very nice and smooth ending. Sure it isn't exactly how Williams wrote it, but then again neither is it the way everyone else is doing it. At least this way it doesn't sound cheesy or cheaply done, and will flow perfectly within the OST now.
Anyone who wants to hear my edit just... let me know.
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Oh my god! LOL.
I actually liked the new Indiana Jones film, but I still thought that video was pretty hilarious!
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Many DVD ripping programs will tell you the length of VOB files. So if you know how long the music is, find the file with the matching time.
That's the problem--none of the times match it. The one shot I have is that the folder which claims to be empty, but has several "non-specified" audio tracks which supposedly have nothing on them. I've tried a couple, which really do have nothing; I'm probably just going to have to check each one for the sake of my sanity, but I'm fearing I may have to resort to just recording it.
The best program to try to get those kinds of files in particular (in reauthor mode) would be DVD Shrink. There isn't an exact site to get it, you have to google around...
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Does anyone else think that the previz jungle chase music sounds a bit different than the film version in some parts? Or is it just me?
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Anywhere from $39 to $75 at Amazon. Wow, what a bargain...
Wow, that much? Rather just find a FLAC version of the DCC album somewhere... *whistles* or at least of just the Basket Game and Desert Chase tracks... *whistles again*
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Actually 4-weeks and 5 days if you want to get technical, although shipping can add to that time.
I think we need one of these, to really whip up the pandemonia:
I also would like to have a real counter like this! hehe.
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So....now that we have the tracklist
One question
Logically it seems that Concord paid the re-use fees for all the music and all the unreleased cues would have fit on disk 5 .So why are there still unreleased cues??
for Star Wars Anthology they just didn't all fit
Maybe the interview on the CD is longer than we all think it is? So less room for more music.
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In the case of Alarm and the Scherzo it might make some sense, since the Scherzo is a concert suite of sorts (even though it is used unedited in the movie) and presentes fully developed renditions of the Scherzo theme (plus the Nazi march) so Alarm might be displaced chronologically in order to provide a better listening experience.
That makes sense because remember that when Laurent did JAWS it had the complete film score but it had the cues all out of order to make for a better listening experience. I guess he sort of did the same thing here, but did stick a but closer to chronology.
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For those saying LC may be out of order, I think TOD is slightly out of order too, depending on your point of view. Notice the track "The Temple of Doom" comes after "Approaching the Stones" and "Children In Chains". In the film, the first thugee ceremony with Mola Ram (the famous heart-ripping one) happens right after "Bug Tunnel and Death Trap". However, the same music, or a rendition of the same music, does intertwine during "Willie's Rescue" in the film, if I am not mistaken. What do you guys think?
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Well, here is what I gather from the official statements. Let's start with the first one:
"Included are expanded and remastered versions of Raiders of the Lost Ark, and exclusive to this set: Indiana Jones & The Temple Doom, and Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade. "
Notice it says "versions". So doesn't the plural automatically indicate that all 3 are? The only confusing part is when they said "exclusive to this set: Indiana Jones & The Temple Doom, and Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade," which they then remedied in the follow-up:
"All three original soundtracks (Raiders, Temple of Doom, and Last Crusade) will be expanded and remastered, including material never before issued on CD... plus an exclusive audio interview CD with John Williams."
So unless they are being complete manipulative liars, which as stated in this thread earlier is possible, then we are getting what they say we are getting. The mention of the bonus disc is in the press releases just mention the interview. They don't mention or even remotely indicate that the expanded music tracks that they are talking about are crammed on one CD with the interview.
Now, apparently, we are getting more if the amazon.com image is correctly labeled as having the interview AND more music. But even so, unless they are total liars in their press releases, the real expansions are on the soundtrack albums themselves, not just on the bonus disc.
So I am remaining optimistic. And besides... if they really are a bunch of liars that are trying to sell something skewed by their own words, then I am sure they are going to be bashed in by all of us here, aren't they?
Indiana Jones: The Soundtracks Collection (official Thread)
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Regarding pitch issues... if Neil's observation for RAIDERS was any indication... if the pitch actually DRIFTS within the cue, wouldn't it be near impossible to fix it without totally messing with the sound quality and making things sound even weirder than they already do?