[Star Wars Prequel Music Resource (part 2)]

43 minutes ago, Brando said:

Does the recording end as it does in the film? Right after Obi-Wan slices and dices Anakin, the music cuts abruptly, which could've been recorded that way or the cue was just cut short too, but its kind of hard to tell.

 

The abrupt ending is indeed the way it was written for the film. There's an optional ending "(for CD) if wanted" that adds a long note in the bass instruments to give it a more final conclusion, presumably written before he wrote the DVD versions with a more elaborate ending. We don't know yet if this optional short ending was recorded.

[Star Wars Prequel Music Resource (part 2)]

3 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

Here's something I always wanted to know about these prequels cue lists (though I think this only happens in ROTS?... not sure): why some of them have "D.V.D." written after the reel/part number? Does that mean that this version of the cue was recorded specifically for the DVD release of the movie, probably featuring a longer and/or different version of the scene? And what is the difference between this version of the cue and the version recorded for the theatrical cut?

 

AOTC had a "CD Version". My best guess is "DVD Version" is a reference to the Star Wars: A Musical Journey DVD that accompanied the original release of the soundtrack album.

 

I believe the concert arrangement of Battle of the Heroes uses the same take(s) as the film cue (6M9 Revenge of the Sith) for the most part, just with an added introduction and a different ending.

[Star Wars Prequel Music Resource (part 2)]

3 hours ago, crumbs said:

It was in the Abbey Road documentary released on Disney+. They had a segment on John Williams and the Star Wars scores. Somewhat miraculously they included footage of the alternate BOTH intro being recorded with the LSO.

That alternate intro is 6M9 D.V.D. V.1 Revenge of the Sith. Seems like a reasonable guess the actual album version is v2.

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5 hours ago, Jay said:

 

7M[something] Part 1: This is a variation of Helena's Theme with a distinctive rhythm in the accompaniment. I'll have to see if I can locate it.

 

5 hours ago, Jay said:

 

End Credits Part III: This is indeed the Nazi chorale which opens the 3rd part of the end credits (marked 'Solemn'), after the Raiders March and Helena's Theme. Note that if you look carefully, you can see where it was cut and paste, presumably from the concert arrangement JW wrote before agreeing to take on the entire score.

[The Fabelmans - score in the film]

On 16/1/2023 at 11:26 AM, Jay said:

So does this music shown in these pictures match OST track 1?  Or does it look like a cue we don't have a recording of?

 

A very belated answer: yes, it matches OST track 1.

 

On 16/1/2023 at 11:26 AM, Jay said:

9M2 Dance Reprise is OST track "The Letter", yes?

 

It's similar material to "The Letter", but doesn't appear to be identical.

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10 minutes ago, ThePenitentMan1 said:

Can the source music for all five films fit on a single CD?

The JW-composed source music could fit onto 2-disc sets alongside the rest of the score for Temple of Doom, The Last Crusade, and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, and I don’t believe there is any for Raiders or Dial of Destiny.

[Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Score in the film) - SPOILERS ALLOWED!]

2 hours ago, CGCJ said:

It's likely just that it shares the title with a cue from the film which GEMA already has an entry for that title registered to John Williams and simply linking to that instead of creating a new entry.

 

Yeah, that would make sense. I've seen some other cases of that. There is an Indy 5 cue called 'Confrontation at the Tomb', so it could be a mix-up with that, as well.

 

Update: seems like there’s 2:36 of Confrontation at the Tomb in the film, so I’m pretty sure that’s what happened.

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1 hour ago, Faleel said:

"Escaping the Pit"? Isn't that a Raiders cue? Was it tracked?

 

Curious, I don't remember any of this material in DoD, either. But the number does match the Raiders cue:

 

@Faleel @Jay

 

Even weirder: there's 2:36 of 'Confrontation' from Superman IV on that cue sheet!

 

 

[JWFan EXCLUSIVE: The Rise of Skywalker Partial Cue List Revealed]

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

Isn't it Return of the Jedi that's tracked into TROS?  The Vader's Death cue inside the Death Star remains?

Yes, that Jedi cue is pretty prominent, but there’s no less than 20 tracked cues from other Star Wars episodes, 4 different films!

 

The Force Awakens (9)

 

1M1A Starry Night

3M26R You’re Han Solo (x2)

4M36R I Ran Into You

5M46R Kylo Stalks Rey

6M50R Han and Leia Reunion

6M55R Council Meeting

6M56E Ren in Cockpit

7M67B Rey Gets Sabre

8M77 March of the Resistance

 

The Last Jedi (8)

 

1M9 Revisiting Snoke (x2)

2M18A Holdo’s Secret Plan

3M22 Fun With Finn and Rose

4M36 Luke and Rey

5M48 Insert

8M71 What ‘Cha Got

9M85A Insert - Rey Looks

0M8 Saying Goodbye to the Fathier

 

Revenge of the Sith (2)

 

7M3 The Birth of the Twins (x2)

7M5 Plans for the Twins

 

Return of the Jedi (1)

 

13M2 Vader’s Death

[JWFan EXCLUSIVE: The Rise of Skywalker Partial Cue List Revealed]

2 minutes ago, Brando said:

Tracking from TPM?

 

 

Oops, I meant ROTS.

[JWFan EXCLUSIVE: The Rise of Skywalker Partial Cue List Revealed]

I found this curious breakdown of TROS with GEMA's AV Productions search:

 

Quote

Cue Sheet

• Title

  Work number

  Playing time
• IMPERIAL MARCH

  1657192-001

  1:50 min
• THE EMPEROR'S THEME

  20529312-001

  2:54 min
• THE MILLENNIUM FALCON THEME

  24816469-001

  0:14 min
• REY'S THEME

  16443803-001

  3:19 min
• LIDO HEY

  24815587-001

  1:10 min
• STOP AND START

  24816364-001

  1:28 min
• KYLO'S THEME

  24815543-001

  0:06 min
• UNDER A BLANKET

  24816557-001

  0:20 min
• PSALM OF THE SITH

  24815977-001

  0:13 min
• PARENTS

  24815899-001

  1:57 min
• MAKE THE SACRIFICE

  24815659-001

  1:21 min
• I AM ALL THE SITH

  24815402-001

  1:27 min
• BEN TO REY

  24814849-001

  1:54 min
• LUKE AND LEIA

  1285393-001

  0:43 min
• THE FORCE THEME

  24816866-001

  3:31 min
• PRINCESS LEIA'S THEME

  4370890-001

  1:17 min
• OMA'S PLACE

  24815861-001

  0:16 min
• STAR WARS (MAIN THEME)

  18238116-001

  5:40 min
• DARTH VADER'S DEATH

  3496965-001

  0:45 min
• THE BIRTH OF THE TWINS AND PADME'S DESTINY

  8847188-001

  0:35 min
• PLANS FOR THE TWINS (PART I)

  10880294-001

  0:45 min
• THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK(TFM)

  1175153-001

  1:26 min
• NAME THAT TUNE

  24815772-001

  0:44 min
• REY'S THEME

  16443803-001

  1:10 min
• WILLIAMS:MAIN TITLE THEME

  7307762-001

  1:26 min
• STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

  24816350-001

  82:29 min

 

Some pretty odd things going on here:

• Only a handful of TROS cues are listed, some with odd durations (There's something like 4 minutes of 8M14 Ben to Rey in the film, definitely far more than 1:54, and there's also definitely far more than 13 seconds of 8M4 Psalm of the Sith, and obviously there's far more than 6 seconds of Kylo's theme).
• The tracking from Revenge of the Sith is listed, but not the cues tracked from The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, and Return of the Jedi.
• Rey's Theme has two entries.
• I think the "The Empire Strikes Back(TFM)" entry is actually for Yoda's theme. There's 1:26 of it in the November 11th cut, and I don't believe that changed at all in the final edit.
• Wild that there's 2:54 of the Emperor's theme! That might even be more than ROTJ.

 

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4 minutes ago, Jay said:

Still seems too high to me, but I haven't timed anything out or anything

 

Looks like GEMA's AV Production guide at least partially explains it:

 

It has a second entry with a timing of 11:00 for the Dial of Destiny score, plus 5:04 for the Raiders March - JR Edit, and 2:36 for Pulse of the City:

 

[The Fabelmans - score in the film]

The SABAM Repertoire gives a total duration of just 22:27 for JW's score in the film:

 

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2 minutes ago, Jay said:

Hmmm, off the cuff I'd say that I think the amount of reused Indy music is less than 17 minutes worth.

 

The 96 minute total might also exclude the use of previously written themes; I've seen that with several other scores. Maybe the recycled material plus other uses of the Indy and Marion themes adds up to 17 minutes?

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On 1/9/2023 at 12:59 AM, Jay said:

I found that there's 1:55:20 of score in the film, which runs 2:34:34.  So that's ~75% of the film scored with original music!

 

Of course, about 2:30 of that is Bill Ross's "Pulse of the City" cue.  And then, there is tracking in the film, too, so that number doesn't represent unique Williams score heard.

 

Curiously, the SABAM Repertoire site lists a duration of just 96:08 (1:36:08) for Williams' score. I wonder if that excludes the note-for-note reused material from previous scores. Would that add up to ~17 minutes?

 

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5 hours ago, Brando said:

@BrotherSoundFigured out this out somewhere, can't remember which thread it was in.

 

Raiders, Temple, Crusade, and Skull would all fit comfortably on 2 CDs. Dial would likely require 3 discs: the score as heard in the film is already quite lengthy, and the cue list makes it clear there's a large amount of alternate versions and inserts.

[Star Wars Prequel Music Resource (part 2)]

5 hours ago, stravinsky said:

As far as the sheer amount of material written for the Prequels & Sequels would this amount to about 3 CDs per Movie?

Most likely 2 CDs each for episodes I, II, III, IV, and V, and 3 CDs each for episodes VI, VII, VIII, and IX.

Episode IX might even require 4 discs. There were 226 minutes recorded, which could theoretically fit on 3, but that doesn’t account for putting inserts or overlays into their intended context.

[The Official Intrada Thread]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

Did you just conflate the 2021 4-CD Masada with the 2024 3-CD Inchon?

Yep, looks like I did.

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5 hours ago, Faleel said:

So, next (if we go in order), Danny Elfman, then Goldsmith, then Williams?

We haven’t seen the Elfman yet, but there was already one Horner (Something Wicked This Way Comes), and the Goldsmith was the 4-CD Masada 3-CD Inchon.

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Coming from Intrada 3/19, James Horner’s The Lady In Red:

 

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/64zQFVpBo5RNFzg7/?mibextid=K35XfP

 

[Theoretical tracklists for expansions]

Someday… please…

 

Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade expanded

 

Film Score Presentation 1:44:36

 

1. Indy’s Very First Adventure (Film Version)** 12:00
2. The Boat Scene 2:23
3. Sinister Visitors* 0:53
4. The Holy Grail* 1:00
5. X Marks The Spot (Extended Version)** 3:52
6. Beneath The Floors* 2:31
7. Ah, Rats!!! 3:40
8. Escape from Venice (Film Version)** 4:25
9. Into Bavaria 0:38
10. Bringing on Father 1:49
11. Discussing the Book* 2:13
12. Don’t Call Me Junior* 1:59
13. The Capture of Marcus 0:50
14. The Austrian Way 2:40
15. Room In Flames 3:06
16. Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra 3:53
17. To Berlin 1:07
18. Koeniggraetzer March (Film Version)* 3:03
19. To The Blimp 2:04
20. No Ticket 2:45
21. The Blimp Turns Around 1:30
22. Keeping Up With The Joneses 3:37
23. Brother of the Cruciform Sword 1:57
24. The Death of Kazim 2:27
25. Belly of the Steel Beast** (Extended Version) 9:03

 

Disc 1 time: 1:15:25

 

Film Score Presentation (continued) 29:12

1. The Canyon of the Crescent Moon 4:17
2. Into the Temple* 2:51
3. The Penitent Man Will Pass 3:24
4. The Keeper of the Grail 3:24
5. The Wrong Choice 4:36
6. Finale and End Credits 10:40

 

Source Music 9:10

1. Cocktail Source* 1:30
2. Market Source* 1:57
3. Koeniggraetzer March* 2:55
4. Dirigible Source* 1:30
5. Palace Source* 1:18

 

Additional Music 32:03

1. Indy’s Very First Adventure (Alternate)** 12:00
2. X Marks the Spot (Film Version Segment)** 2:50
3. Escape from Venice 4:21
4. Room in Flames (Alternate)** 3:06
5. Keeping Up With The Joneses (Alternate)** 3:37
6. The Death of Kazim (Alternate)** 2:27
7. On The Tank 3:38

 

Disc 2 time: 1:10:21

Total 2 disc time: 2:25:46

[Mark Graham just picked up a John Williams sketch and is "in a rush"! Any ideas?]

18 hours ago, Tom said:

The sketch might have been for an insert for Just Down West street or such.

 

As far as I know, he always orchestrates his concert works in full himself, so a sketch would generally imply it's for some kind of movie or TV project.

[Star Wars: John Williams Original Handwritten Music Manuscript for the Opening Auction]

It ended up selling for $49,290.

 

[New 20 minute audio interview: John Williams At The Movies]

One interesting tidbit is that JW initially wrote three concert arrangements, before he decided to take on the entire score: one for Helena, one for the Nazis, and one for Archimedes and the dial. This seems to confirm @Jay's speculation that "Nazis" on the GEMA cue list is a concert arrangement.

[The Rise of Skywalker SPOILERS ALLOWED discussion thread]

Anthony Daniels auctioned off a number of Star Wars-related items in November 2023, including these Rise of Skywalker script pages:

 

https://propstoreauction.com/lot-details/index/catalog/359/lot/119338

 

Notably, there's some of the cut Chewie and Kylo scene in here, which we know JW scored (4M3 Chewie's Interrogation).