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The Witches of Eastwick (1987) 1 The Township of Eastwick 2:49 1M1 The Town of Eastwick 2 The Dance of the Witches 4:47 End Credits 3 Maleficio 3:22 10M2 Inflicting Pain 4 The Seduction of Alex 2:42 4M1 The Seduction of Alex 5 Daryl’s Secrets 2:55 10M4/11M1 Sticking Pins 6 The Seduction of Suki and the Ballroom Scene 7:09 0:00-2:50 7M2 The Seduction of Sukie 2:50-6:33 7M3 The Balloon Scene 6:33-end 7M3A New Ending 7 Daryl Arrives 2:47 0:00-1:35 2M3 Darryl’s Entrance 1:35-end 11M Maleficio 8 The Tennis Game 2:51 6M2 The Tennis Game 9 Have Another Cherry! 3:26 9M1 Have Another Cherry! 10 Daryl Rejected 3:03 0:00-1:15 9M1 New - Darryl in the Rain 1:15-end 12MX [10M2 New] The Reconciliation 11 The Ride Home 3:23 11MX I Wish I Knew / The Wild Ride Home 12 The Destruction of Daryl 3:40 [11M4] The Destruction of Darryl 13 The Children’s Carousel 1:54 [12M1?] The Baby’s Carousel 14 End Credits (The Dance of the Witches) 4:47 End Credits Thank you to @Incanus for the previously shared breakdown! I was able to use that as a starting point and fill in the unknown bits.

Yes, that Yoda’s theme section is the last part of End Credit (5/15/17) Part 3 Rev.

I’ve also seen The Cowboys Overture come up for xylophone on percussion auditions, and understandably so!

Hmm, I’m not sure. The agreements are quite convoluted. Some are over a 100 pages of legalese… https://www.afm.org/our-musicians/recording-digital-media/

Right, there were different rules in place at the time, and reuse fees would have applied past the 30-minute (I think) limit. But if the studios had to pay reuse fees equivalent to the entire cost of the sessions just to release an OST now, you’d see basically no OSTs issued at all, at least that don’t say “Lin-Manuel Miranda” or “Frozen” on the cover.

Having read through some of the AFM documents about this issue (I was an AFM member myself for 15 years), it’s even simpler than that: the initial OST release is considered a part of the initial use of music recovered for film or TV and isn’t subject to reuse fees at all, and it seems that applies even when more than one release is issued at the time the film debuts. Which just goes to show how arbitrary the policy is when it comes to soundtrack reissues! These releases may be a big deal to us, but they’re such a niche product they weren’t part of the discussions when the AFM made this policy change. The whole intent is to prevent music from being reused when a new recording would normally be made. For example, many video games now have recording sessions of music recorded specifically for those games. The AFM doesn’t want musicians to miss out on work because previously recorded music is reused in a case like that. Clearly, soundtrack expansions really aren’t relevant to this policy at all and exception would ideally be carved out. Or maybe they can at least institute that rolling ten-year window like Mike Matessino suggested at one point. When the rule went into effect in summer 2015, it applied to scores recorded the previous ten years, so if the window began to move and only applied to scores less than 10 years old, expansions of The Adventures of Tintin, War Horse, and Lincoln would now be on the table. (Sigh.)

Let’s hope it the later! They’ve had this score locked down for a decade, and I’d love to see what La-La Land or Intrada could do with it. Releases don’t always coincide with anniversaries, but this does happen to be the 35th anniversary of the original release of The Witches of Eastwick.

Has any John Williams score ever had an overlay presented separately like that? I’d be very surprised to see the timpani presented on its own, either in the main program or as a bonus. I’d go for march with the timpani overdub in the main program, with the undubbed march as a bonus, potentially (if there’s space). It definitely blurs the line between diegetic music and underscore with the timpani added.

Hmm, I don’t recall seeing one of the usual anniversary posts this year. In case any upcoming releases are going to coincide with an anniversary, here’s the ones for 2022, skipping the ones that already have satisfactory expansions: 45th Anniversary Star Wars (1977) 35th Anniversary The Witches of Eastwick (1987) 25th Anniversary Seven Years In Tibet (1997) Amistad (1997) 20th Anniversary Star Wars: Attack of the Clones (2002) Catch Me If You Can (2002) 10th Anniversary Lincoln (2012)

There is indeed a large portion of the score that consists of those ‘wild’ cues not written directly to footage and edited in (Arlington, The Conspirators, Garrison’s Obsession), but there are also other cues with slate numbers (e.g. 1M2) written to sync with the film in the usual manner, a few of which are on the OST, and most of which remain unreleased. Here’s the known unreleased cues: 1M1 Main Title Part II 1M1 Main Title - Long Version 1M2A Theme Over Scottish Drums 1M4 Receiving the News 3M4 Oswald Effect 4M3 Bannisters Office 6M4 Effects [synthesizer] 8M1 Ruby and Warren 8M2 Under the Rifle Sights 9M6 Shaw's Exit Reel 9 “Maryland My Maryland” [source] 11M1A The Entrance of Mr. X 12M3 Circles of Power 12M5A End Note Bar 65 12M6A Bar 55 Crossover 13M3 Bedtime T.V. 13M5 Oswald Visits Hosts 14M3 The Bedroom Scene Arlington Insert (Dialogue Version) Drum Loop Theme From "J.F.K." Is the 3:25 version of ‘Born On The Fourth Of July’ just a slightly shorter edit of the 3:55 version, or are there any other differences?

So, one interesting thing to note about the score of Born on the Fourth of July is the quite sparse instrumentation (by Williams standards, at least). A number of the cues use only a string orchestra. And the only other instruments he calls for in the score are a solo oboe, solo trumpet, 3 horns, tuba, harp, piano, and synthesizer. This is in contrast to JFK and Nixon, which both utilize a more traditional full orchestra, sometimes even a larger-than-standard one for Nixon (eight horns, four trumpets, four trombones).

Unfortunately, only the OST titles appear to have been registered with GEMA.

They both appear from the full scores to have been revised prior to recording, which could explain their absence from the boot. The first page of 13M1 Insert is even numbered page 5, following four pages of the original 13M1.

Yeah, something feels really off about this one to me. I imagining things or did I read at one point this was put together for some kind of promo (presumably without JW’s involvement)?

Yeah, it’s very evident whoever put out the bootleg only had the audio without any knowledge of what each track actually was. Here’s what I came up with: 1 Overture / Main Theme from Boston Pops recording ‘Music for Stage and Screen’ 2 Prologue 1M1 Acting Out The Future 3 Wargames 1M1A Earliest Memories 4 The Early Days, Massapequa 1M5 Early Days 5 High School 0:00-0:30 2M2 The Call To Duty 0:30-1:52 2M3 Recruiting Scene 1:52-end 2M4 After The Soda Shoppe 6 The Shooting Of Wilson 4M2 The Shooting Of Wilson 7 Patrolling the Fields 5MA Approaching the Village 8 Cua Viet River, Vietnam 0:00-0:31 5M1 (New Start) Ron Is Hit 0:31-end 5M1 Ron Is Hit 9 Back In The Neighborhood 7M1 The Homecoming 10 The Parade / Timmy 0:00-0:58 1M1 Acting Out The Future 0:58-end unknown 11 The Syracuse Rally 10M1 Campus Rally 12 Villa Dulce 0:00-0:30 11M2 (Revised?) To Mexico 0:30-end unknown 13 Unfinished Letters 12M8 Writing The Wilsons 14 Homecoming 0:00-0:55 13M1 To Georgia 0:55-end 13M1 Insert 15 Miami Confrontation 0:00-1:15 15M1 Convention Disturbance 1:15-end unknown 16 The Democratic Convention 15M3 Short Version 17 End Titles End Credits 18 Prologue (Alternate) unknown 19 The Early Days, Massapequa (Alternate) from Boston Pops recording ‘Music for Stage and Screen’ 20 High School (Alternate) 0:00-0:33 2M3 Recruiting Scene 0:33-end unknown 21 Cua Viet River, Vietnam (Alternate) from Boston Pops recording ‘Music for Stage and Screen’ 22 Ron’s Speech 12M8 Writing The Wilsons [a different take than track 13] 23 Timmy (Alternate) 12M7 Montage Of Girls 24 The Syracuse Convention (Alternate) 15M2 The 1972 Convention 25 Remembering Vietnam 15M3 Alternate 26 Miami Confrontation (Alternate) 15M2 The 1972 Convention [starting in the middle, with an added pickup note] 27 The Democratic Convention, NYC (Alternate) Ron’s Theme 28 Victory 2M1 On The Mat 29 Epilogue 1MX Trumpet Prologue w/ annoying, out-of-time snare drum overlay 30 End Titles (Alternate) City of Prague Philharmonic re-recording @TownerFan Are you able to fill in any of the gaps? That leaves these cues are missing, but as to whether they were actually recorded, I couldn’t tell you: 1M1 Alt - Kids At Play 8M3X Parade Overlay 12M5 Shopping For Present Also, 1M1 has another section of music written after the opening trumpet fanfare that’s not present here.

There might be: there's quite a bit in the sheet music that isn't on the bootleg, but of course, no guarantee any of it was ever recorded.

Seven Years in Tibet (1997) 01 Seven Years In Tibet 7:07 15M3 End Credit 02 Young Dalai Lama and Ceremonial Chant 2:17 1M5 Young Dalai Lama (Cue B) 03 Leaving Ingrid 3:43 1M3 (Insert) Leaving Ingrid (Old Cue A) 04 Peter’s Rescue 3:45 0:00-1:17 1M3A The Rescue of Peter 1:17-2:05 5M5A Escaping the Bandits 2:05-end 13M2 The Tibetan Defeat 05 Harrer’s Journey 4:02 0:00-0:53 3M1 Transported to Prison 0:53-2:10 5M6 Horsemeat and Rescue 2:10-end 3M7 The Second Escape 06 The Invasion 5:07 0:00-1:47 13M1 Preparing the Defense 1:47-2:38 3M11 Stealing Food 2:38-3:06 11M9A The Generals Enter 3:06-end 13M3 The Chinese Takeover 07 Reflections 4:41 0:00-1:36 1M5 Young Dalai Lama (Cue B) 1:36-end 11M4 Prophetic Dream 08 Premonitions 2:54 The Child of Tibet 09 Approaching the Summit 5:43 0:00-0:44 7M1AX The Capitol City 0:44-2:19 1M7 Meeting the Sherpa 2:19-4:40 1M3 Leaving Ingrid (Cue A) 4:40-end 5M2 Sixty-Eight Kilometers 10 Palace Invitation 4:43 0:00-0:47 7M3 Western Clothes 0:47-end 9M3 Meeting the Dali 11 Heinrich’s Odyssey 8:03 0:00-0:41 13M11 The Dali Lama’s Investiture 0:41-end 5M5 Heinrich’s Slow Growth 12 Quiet Moments 4:21 0:00-0:57 11M10 Praying Through A Telescope 0:57-2:38 3M4 The Barbed Wire Scene (Cue C) 2:38-end 9M1 Thinking by the Water 13 Regaining a Son 1:48 15M2 Regaining A Son (new) 14 Seven Years In Tibet (Reprise) 7:10 15M3 End Credit

I think this total may be off a bit because of reuse of some of the cues. For example, ‘The Conspirators’ is 4 minutes long but is apparently used for 14 minutes of the film! From this thread, it sounds like there’s about 20 minutes in the film unreleased:

Is there really 14+ minutes of 'The Conspirators' used in JFK? 😮

The music box plays Debussy’s Clair de Lune: It’s also got its own SABAM listing for its use in the film:

Oh no, sorry for the confusion: I mean I believe that 66 minutes of Seven Years In Tibet score by “Ns Shares” is also Williams, for a total of about 79 minutes. There’s other entries to account for the other music in the picture: source percussion and chanting, Clair de Lune, etc. And 79 minutes would be consistent with that estimate of approximately 25 minutes unreleased: 1 hour 6 minute OST - 7 minute reprise of the title track - 4 minutes for unused ‘Peter’s Rescue’ = ~55 minutes of score from the film released + ~25 unreleased minutes in film = ~79 total minutes of JW score in film So, looks like this might need to be a 2-CD expansion, which I would not have guessed.

Oh, that’s very likely! Especially because there’s not actually 4:20 of the actual ‘Nixon Trailer’ cue itself: the ending has been replaced with music tracked from ‘The Farewell Scene’ (22M1 Farewell Speech). The ending heard in ‘1960s, The Turbulent Years’ is how it was written. I’m less certain about the timings for Tibet than most of these other films. The only entry for Williams shows a timing of just 13:23, which I know can’t possibly account for all the underscore in the film, even though it’s been a long time since I’ve seen it: I believe the rest of the (orchestral) score is accounted for by this odd entry credited to ‘Ns Shares’:

I took a look at the entries for Nixon again, and there’s a second entry of 4:00 that may account for music exclusive to the director’s cut (or perhaps it’s for JW-composed source?): The Patriot appears to have an entry specifically for the director’s cut, which I know tracks some music, but features 3:12 of Williams’ score not heard in the theatrical release.

So, I’ve recently discovered the SABAM repertoire database lists precise timings for many of these scores, as heard in the film, which can be useful for getting a rough idea of how much additional music there might be available for an expansion, though of course alternates and unused cues won’t be factored into these durations: The Accidental Tourist 39:03 The Adventures of Tintin 1:32:25 Amistad 1:29:08 Angela’s Ashes 37:32 The Book Thief 1:05:33 Born on the Fourth of July 40:59 Catch Me If You Can 45:43 Cinderella Liberty 42:16 Conrack 20:20 How To Steal A Million 56:05 JFK 1:22:06 Memoirs of a Geisha 1:27:30 Nixon 1:38:25 The Patriot 1:31:32 The Post 43:40 Presumed Innocent 38:52 The Reivers 38:46 The Rare Breed 53:57 Sabrina 46:57 Seven Years In Tibet 1:19:43 Sleepers 1:04:20 SpaceCamp 49:46 Stepmom 1:01:12 The Sugarland Express 22:17 The Terminal 58:28 Valley of the Dolls 23:46 (plus 40:23 comp. Previn) I’ve only included timings of music composed by JW.

Raiders - Opening sequence live (Tanglewood 2008).mp4 Here we are! Well, let’s hope that the unused, never orchestrated sketches are incorporated into all those leather-bound volumes, and then we should hopefully have an answer for this and similar questions someday when those are all donated to Juilliard.