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So, five years later, I have an answer for you: 'Death of Ki-Adi' is not anything from the film or soundtrack, but a usage of that soundtrack in some other media, most likely a video game. For whatever reason, this is probably a snippet of 'Lament' registered under a different title. Can anyone with access to the various Star Wars prequel video game audio files confirm this, or are the files unlabeled? There's some other cases like this: for instance, 'Windu, Yoda, and Obi-Wan On A Transport' is not an original JW cue title, either. There's also several cues that use the same title as the film, but were split into separate sections for other usages: for example 'The Death of Padmé' has a single entry for the actual film cue, but is also registered as 'The Death of Padmé Part 1' and 'The Death of Padmé Part 2', probably for a video game. Examples for Revenge of the Sith, from the GEMA Repertoire:

That's part of the original 7M68 Flying Home, but that section was replaced by an insert, 7M68A Light In The Snow And Flying Home. One of the TFA docs also tracks that same fanfare into the middle of 6M56D Ice Landing. It's shown up on unofficial releases as 'Landing At Lightspeed (Alternate)'. I can't imagine they'd do that just for the doc, so it was probably considered for the film at some point. Update: not from a TFA doc, but @Falco

Well, yes…and no: the music for that moment in the film and on the album is from 7M68A Light in the Snow and Flying Home, but it’s effectively a revision of similar music first written for the end of 7M67. The key difference is that after winding up to the beautiful statement of Rey’s theme, the 7M67 version winds back down again to ends quietly, where the revised version continues to soar with Poe’s theme, followed by the Force theme. So, the edit must have been very different at this point, because clearly the music wasn’t going to fade to a quiet ending just as the base blows up.

Well, it's complicated: yes, the original 7M67 Rey vs. Ren would have continued through the earthquake and the arrival of the Falcon, the later of which was replaced by the beginning of 7M68A A Light In The Snow and Flying Home. The naming of 7M67R It Is You is rather misleading: it's not a revision of the entirety of 7M67, only roughly the first minute. As the fight gets underway, there's an indication to "Cut [to] Scherzo". 7M67A Rey vs. Ren is a revision of the other part of the cue covering the bulk of the duel, though ending as the earthquake begins, as heard in the film. 7M67B Rey Gets The Sabre and 7M67B F Rey Catches Sword are both short inserts for just the moment of well, Rey getting the saber. 7M67B F is the version heard on the OST. 7M67B was intended to go in the middle of 7M67R, while 7M67B F is intended directly transition to the Scherzo. So, 'Evacuation' is actually two different bits of the original 7M67, bridged by some tracking from 'The Abduction'. Here's how the roadmap changed, as I can best piece it together:

Seems likely, maybe due to all the changes around eliminating the Resistance superweapon subplot? That made it far enough along that there’s numerous mentions of it in the leaked shot list. I think it may have also been something Williams invited Dudamel to conduct, and conducting to picture is a highly specialized skill that even many top-notch conductors haven’t developed, so maybe that was a factor as well. As written, 7M67 Rey vs. Ren was 4:56 and covered the entire duel from Rey getting the saber through the Falcon arriving. It cut away briefly for Hux and Snoke, but no fighter battle. Later inserts added an indication to ‘Overlap Scherzo’ just as the duel begins, as it happens in the finished film. The only other “wild” cue for TFA is Sunbeam Strings, which by nature doesn’t really call for precise synchronization with anything onscreen. Originally, the firing of Starkiller base (but not the aftermath) was scored with 5M40 and 5M40R The Beam is Released.

So, 'Scherzo for X-Wings' is a pretty unusual case: the film version was written first (though it's heavily edited in the film) in September 2015, but it was written "wild", meaning it has no indicated sync points at all. Most JW action cues have dozens of sync points. The concert version followed in November, though the first minute or so of both is identical.

Oh, this is my hobby. My day job is trying to sort out the utterly ridiculous editing of the score in The Rise of Skywalker. 😁

@Jay I think this must be the ‘Young Indy Insert’, with ‘Young Indy Sweetener’ being the revised start of the lion scene.

No, they’re just arbitrary codes specific to this particular catalog. However, the codes for other JW scores in this database—The Patriot, The Adventures of Tintin, and Memoirs of a Geisha—precisely match the film order of cues when arranged ascending, and so do these, from what I can tell.

Well, anyone dying to see the complete cue list for Stepmom, today’s your lucky day! Found it in the SESAC repertoire, apparently in film order: 688787458 Stepmom 688787459 Ben’s Antics 688787461 Isabel’s Expertise 688787462 Luke’s Rationale 688787463 She Can Cook Too 688787464 I Trust You 688787465 Feeling Change 688787467 I Killed Her 688787468 Get Out of My House 688787469 Ben Is Lost 688787470 On Horseback 688787471 I’d Do It For You 688787472 Isabel’s Rejection 688787473 Through MRI 688787474 Hung By A Thread 688787475 Art Lesson 688787476 Jackie’s Trick 688787477 I’m Telepathic 688787478 The Soccer Game 688787479 Side Effects 688787480 I Know Your Secret 688787481 Wrong Secret 688787482 It Should Have Been Me 688787483 Snowy Night 688787484 Horseplay 688787485 Career Decision 688787486 Do Something About It 688787487 Airport Meeting 688787488 Picture Gallery 688787489 Luke Brings the Tree 688787490 Are You Scared 688787491 Stepmom End Credits 688787492 You’re a Good Father 688787493 Poster Boy 688787494 Doing the Best I Can 688787497 Ladies Bonding 688787498 Magic Cape

Ah, so it’s Paramount that has this practice of not using the original cue names of cues that appear in OST tracks? I’m seeing the same thing for The Adventures of Tintin, but fortunately we’ve already got almost all those titles (I just wanted to fill in a few gaps). So, now we can speculate what the three parts of ‘Indy’s Very First Adventure’ would be. @crumbs Have a 24-bit version to analyze for hints? And interesting that ‘Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra’ is unexpectedly listed as two parts. The main cue and an insert? Bet it’s the bit with the Indy theme…

I believe this list includes only the source music composed by JW (note also the absence of the Koeniggraetzer March). Yep, looks like it’s him:

@Jay So, remember those work codes I discovered that show the film order of The Rise of Skywalker cues? Turns out The Last Crusade has them, too, and it shows 'Young Indy' is the cue between 'Indy's Very First Adventure Part 3' and 'The Boat Scene': I don't think we knew about 'Don’t Call Me Junior', which must be the actual title of 6M3.

Updated my cue list and breakdown with some previously unknown cue titles, from the SESAC Repertory: Gabriel's Last Fight Gabriel Mortally Wounded Susan Speaks Rev 2 On To Yorktown

So, unfortunately I don't know what the first section of 'Indy's Very First Adventure' is titled, but I can tell you it's almost certainly not 'Young Indy'. Looking through the GEMA database, all the cues that appear on the 1989 OST have had their titles replaced with the OST title, while the cues that weren't used appear with their original titles. OST tracks that are comprised of more than one cue are listed with 'Part 1', 'Part 2', etc. There's three sections to 'Indy's Very First Adventure', so it's most likely comprised of 1M1, 1M2, and 1M3. 1M2 and 1M3 are probably 'Circus Train Chase' and 'Dunn and Duffy Circus Train', and no one's uncovered a likely title for 1M1 so far, so it could actually be originally titled 'Indy's Very First Adventure' or something generic like 'Main Title'. 'Young Indy' can be inferred to be 1M4/2M1, especially because GEMA also has an entry for a 'Young Indy Sweetener' and there's a 1M4/2M1X 'Sweetener' in the leaked full scores. There's also a 'Young Indy Insert'.

Yes, some of Schindler’s List, but also:

Many of the inserts include the same material from the original cue at the beginning and end to make them easier to blend into the original. If you were to only include the unique material from each (and if all were actually recorded), I think you could pare it down to the final version and two alternates, something like this: 1. 9M85 with 9M85 A New The final version, with the insert replacing the original version, minus any microedits. 2. 9M85 and 9M85 Alt Insert The original version and the Luke’s theme insert seem like they could work side-by-side. 3. 9M85 with 9M85A, 9M85B, 9M85C This would be the hardest to pull off, but I could see a way to combine the unique bits of all three of these. Not sure if it’d be possible to edit convincingly, though. Yeah, it would be very unwieldy to include a completely different track for each short insert, and even three discs wouldn’t allow the space for it. I just hope they actually give Matessino a crack at it sometime in the not-too-distant future!

Right, that's the insert 9M85A “Luke Looks”. The film and album use a different insert, 9M85A New “Rey Looks”, as heard in 'Peace and Purpose'. They both replace the same section of 9M85 “Finale Part I”, so there should be at least three recorded versions of Luke’s death. We don’t know whether 9M85 Alt Insert was actually recorded yet, which is the insert that uses Luke’s theme, scored wistfully for flute and clarinet. The recording status is also uncertain for 9M85B and 9M85C. 9M85B “Between Luke and the March”, which is actually an insert with an insert, replacing a few bars of 9M85A, and including (as @Falstaftmentioned above) a possible reference to the theme from 'Holdo's Resolve'. 9M85C “Island to March” provides a different possible transition from 9M85A back into the Kylo's theme "march". Ok, everyone got all that? There will be a quiz! 😃

@Jay @crumbs @Falstaft @Datameister For my fellow TROS score obsessives, I've noticed the gaps in the numbering I shared a couple days ago appear to indicate where the "reel" breaks are in the final version of the film, just like the ones indicated on the spreadsheet for the November 11th cut:

I’ve noticed another little germ of an idea that seems to pop up fairly often in the sequel trilogy scores: For example, 1:35 in ‘The Old Death Star’: Or 2:10 in ‘Main Title and Escape’ (with a slightly different rhythm): Reminds me of Liszt’s Les Préludes.

Oh, thanks @Jay! I’d forgotten there was ever a time before it was split like this.

So, I've found the original cue titles and added them to the Amistad complete score breakdown thread, inexplicably in General Discussion (@Jay Possible to move this?) :

So, especially since the time is ripe for an expansion of this score, I went digging and found the original cue titles in the GEMA database. They seem to generally be in film order, though with some of the album titles grouped at the end (maybe just the ones that are not also cue titles?). I've included the few slates that are known: 1M1 Retribution [unused?] OX4925 [Main Title?]* OX4927 Cinque's Theme OX4928 1M2 July 4th, 1839 OX4929 [source, arr. Abraham & Allen]* OX4930 Ya Weh [source, arr. Abraham & Allen] OX4932 The Capture OX4934 The Capture, Part II OX4939 Introducing Mr. Adams OX4940 Guitar Source #1 [comp. JW] OX4941 Guitar Source #2 [comp. JW] OX4942 Meeting of the Minds OX4943 6M1 Counsel Meets Client OX4944 The Ship Remembers OX4946 Visiting Adams OX4947 7M4A Learning to Count OX4948 Today We Face The Wall [source, arr. Allen, Abraham, Sow] OX5803 The Ladder Is Broken [source, arr. Abraham, Allen] OX5805 Let's Stand Together* [source, arr. Allen, Kargbo] OX5807 Tale of the Tiger’s Tooth OX5809 The Capture of Cinque OX5810 The Second Crossing OX5811 10M1 Tales of Horror OX5812 Discovering the Bible OX5813 Prisoner’s Song OX5814 Timuyandya* [source, comp. Allen, Kargbo, Okpala, Sow] OX5816 Jail Drums [source, comp. JW] OX5817 The Letter to Massachusetts OX5818 13M2 Cinque’s Legal Mind OX5819 African Violet OX5821 Adams’ Address to the Court OX5822 Adams' Summation OX5824 The Verdict OX5825 [Liberation of Lomboko?]* OX5826 Dry Your Tears, Afrika [End Credits Part I] OX5827 Going Home OX5830 15M4 End Credits Part II [The Long Road To Justice] *Title shows only as "Amistad" in database OST-only titles? OX5834 Sierra Leone 1839/The Capture of Cinque OX5835 Crossing the Atlantic OX5836 Cinque's Memories of Home OX5837 Middle Passage OX5838 The Long Road to Justice OX5839 Mr. Adams Takes the Case OX5840 La Amistad Remembered OX5841 The Liberation of Lomboko OX5842 Dry Your Tears, Afrika (Reprise)

Am I really the first to bring up ‘The Banquet’ from Hook? Pure joy, especially in the concert arrangement: They really ought to publish the entire Hook suite from this album…

Fun fact: in just the first five minutes following the main title of The Rise of Skywalker, there are bits and pieces of 13 different cues, and only 3 weren’t written for a completely different scene in a different part of the movie. Starry Night [from TFA] Rey’s Incredible Hand Ready To Be A Jedi Vader’s Castle Rey’s Trip to P The Ninth Beginning Chewie's Interrogation Approaching the Nursery Uncharted Territory Hard to Get Rid Of Psalm of the Sith Stop and Start On Their Knees