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    Composers other than JW: compilation CDs?

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    I've been looking around Amazon just to find the items people have suggested.  AHerrera83, I can't find that "Goldsmith conducts Goldsmith" CD.  Is that the actual title?  I found one that no on has mentioned called "The Omen: The Essential Jerry Goldsmith Film Music Collection."  Is that what you're referring to?  

    Ray Barnsbury

    Ray:

    Try this link:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00...9858787-3249430

    That should take you to the album I'm referring to.

    The Omen collection is also wonderful (as are most of Silva's collections, which might be a great place to start for your purposes), but they're not conducted by the actual composers.

    "G conducts G" is a remastered edition of the very first Goldsmith concert album "Suites and Themes" performed by the Filarmonia Orchestra, which is considered classic Goldsmith, but has been oop for a long time now. :mrgreen:

    Thanks for the link and the info - I would like the music to be conducted by the composer whenever possible.

    Ray Barnsbury

    Composers other than JW: compilation CDs?

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    Thanks everyone for your input!  I've gotten lots of good ideas already.  And Harry, I would be interested in that Arnold compilation.  :mrgreen:  

    Ray Barnsbury

    Well, I don't have the Stargate soundtrack yet, so I'll let you know when I get it so I can make you a present!

    ~Harry

    Aww, shucks . . . that's cool, Harry, thanks! I feel like I should do something for you too. Is there anythng you want/need? I don't have much . . . I have a Silvestri compilation. :?:

    Ray Barnsbury-who wants to return Harry's kindness

    Composers other than JW: compilation CDs?

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    I've been looking around Amazon just to find the items people have suggested. AHerrera83, I can't find that "Goldsmith conducts Goldsmith" CD. Is that the actual title? I found one that no on has mentioned called "The Omen: The Essential Jerry Goldsmith Film Music Collection." Is that what you're referring to?

    Ray Barnsbury

    Composers other than JW: compilation CDs?

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    Having been a fan of John Williams for a while, I would like to branch out and get to know the music of other film composers. Not that I'm unsatisfied with Williams; that's not the case at all. I just want to hear the music of other composers!

    I got to know Williams music by first getting his Greatest Hits CD. I wondered if there are any good "Greatest Hits" or compilation albums for any other film composers. Also, if there are any specific scores for any composer that you think would be good to start on, I would appreciate that info as well. Even a list of your favorite composers would be good! Most of you are much more knowledgeable about this stuff than me, so I welcome any advice!

    Oh, and one more thing. Are there any worthwhile film score magazines out there? I would be interested in getting any that you guys recommend.

    Thanks a lot!

    -Ray Barnsbury

    Williams scores only 40 minutes for Hp Cos?

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    So, calm down. I agree, I don't like Williams composing music for children's movies.

    WHAT THE W$(*%&)W($*%Q)#$!

    Don't go there with me!

    My thoughts exactly :evil:

    I mean, you remember how unoriginal and unsurprising the first HP score was??  

    Good. Then Ross will perhaps make it more original.

    I'm not agreeing with how you described the first score, but even if it was so unoriginal and unsurprising, that doesn't mean it wasn't spectacular. Ross needs to go with the flow, and not try to make it too original compared the first one. There should be uniue and original elements, but it should have the overall same "sound." Like Star Wars scores are all diferent, but they are all definitely part of the same group.

    Ray Barnsbury

    Williams scores only 40 minutes for Hp Cos?

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    What people are failing to point out and sorry, but I am upset right now is that Williams composes classicaly.  His orchestrations are unparalleled and he is the LAST of the great old school composers.  All the others you guys are mentioning are fine doing film music, but they sound generic.  It's all deneric film music.  You don't hear a score by these composers and have bassoons up high on a melody and every brass heard seperately and every instrument in the orchestra shining left right and center.  Only Williams does that.  He writes like a classical composer, the only one out there that does so.  When you hear brass from the others, it's just that BRASS, loud and overbearing.  There's no subtleties in their writing.  SOmetimes it's like, oh look, here's 6 horns blasting away withohut the other brass but that's about it.  With Williams, it's tuba, bass trombone, trombones unison, trumpets and trombones, horns, horns and trumpets... every combination imaginable to create different pallets and solos from all of the above, the same goes for his woodwind writing, and his string writing is far above any other composer out there especially his frasing and the textures.  Nowadays his percuission writing has reached a complexity that I have not heard from anyone else. No, no one else can replace him and I'm saying this as a composer, as an oboe and english horn player, as someone who studied classical music all my life and it was my major and minor and otherwise, and as a listner and fan.  No one.  Anyone who tackles Harry Potter has a huge obstacle in front of them.  A comparison that is unatainable by all of the composers out there.  When it comes to adventure scoring, no one else can even reach half of what John is able to do.  Don Davis?  Don is a good composer, but his Jurrasic Park score suffered from exactly what I'm talking about.  It's big, it's brash, but it has no memorable themes, no subtleties, no clear cut orchestrations, and no playfulness.  It's just one thing, BIG.  It's the biggest mistake composers out there do when tackling an adventure score, they think it should be big and it just ends up being boring by the end.  It should be everything, from sad, to happy, to playful, to big, to small and it should take you on the adventure.  That's what John does and it's the one thing none of the others do.  There is a reason that Spielberg says that John basically writes the film with his music.  The same mistake was made by Shore in LOTR not to mention the mummy scores.  They are all like one wave of HUGE SOUND.  No subtleties, no emotion, no playfulness like in the indiana Jones music, no bravado like in Star Wars, no "wonder".  That's it.  It's that sense of wonder that John captures every time.  Magic.

    This nearly moved me to tears! :mrgreen: Well done.

    Ray Barnsbury

    So....Harry, Jason, Ray... (a new era)

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    Yes! I have heard Minority Report. At first I was fairly unimpressed, but I usually am the first time I listen to any new score. Now that I have listened more, however, I love it! The first track is great, in that as others have said, it's a summary of the themes and plot (although I have yet to see the movie). Sean's Theme and A New Beginning are very beautiful tracks, and Anderton's Great Escape is great action music. Better than much of the AOTC action music, in my opinion (besides The Arena). Spyders is also very cool. I need to listen to the more subtle tracks to get a feel for them, but overall it is a very good score. What do you think?

    Ray Barnsbury

    Williams scores only 40 minutes for Hp Cos?

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    Williams has many times expressed how much he loves making film music. If he decided not to score completely HP2, it's just because:

    1.- There are some other more interesting projects

    2.- HP2 does not have the elements for Williams to keep evolving and innovating.

    3.- HP2 is not a movie of the category of a full Williams score. HP1 was barely passable.

    4.- Williams is a icredibly prolific composer, and we should not worry that he is not composing a full score, because for sure there will be other interesting works that same year.

    5.- Williams is maybe trying to find a succesor. He's unfortunately not inmortal (his music I think it IS!). Finding a succesor is a dificult task, but nevertheless, he can always try (he already knows that Don Davis is not the one, and Courage is too old).  

    So, calm down. I agree, I don't like Williams composing music for children's movies.

    I'm confused as to how Hary Potter fits into your last statement.

    Ray Barnsbury

    Williams still doesn't have a star

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    I just read that Tom Hanks will be getting a Lifetime Achievement Award. He's a fine actor and everything, but I think someone like Williams is more deserving. More deserving than many who have already received the award. I know it doesn't really matter if he has one or not, but it would be nice for the recognition. Plus it would provide a television special about him. :)

    Ray Barnsbury-still waiting for A&E to air a Biography about JW

    William Ross Collaboration on HP

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    It sucks. I'm trying being optimistic in that Williams is composing all the new themes, but this whole thing is still crap. I am very let down by it. I understand that Mr. Williams is very busy, but that does't change my disappointment. Mr. Ross had BETTER use the themes well, and resort back to previous themes when necessary (i.e. memories of Harry's parents, Quidditch, Nimbus 2000, etc). Do you think Williams will help map out the score with Ross, suggesting when and where to use the music? I hope so. :cry:

    Ray Barnsbury

    So....Harry, Jason, Ray... (a new era)

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    Thanks you for asking Harry! My summer has been just fine, I've been having lots of fun being conservative and avoiding talks of religion and natural bodily functions. :| But seriously, I've been good. I just got a job at a local library, so that's good. I'm supposed to work only 10 hours a week, but with people on vacations, I ended up working 30.5 hours last week! But that means more money and more Williams music. :( How about everyone else?

    Ray Barnsbury

    So....Harry, Jason, Ray... (a new era)

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    I don't find body functions evil, just not suited for this JOHN WILLIAMS message board. And I don't know why I even posted on this, I should have known it would blow out of proportion again. If you want to discuss religions of the world and their differing views on bodily functions, go find an MB devoted to it. Otherwise pipe down about it.

    Ray Barnsbury-easily angered late at night, but glad to see Jason back :)

    Argh! Not ANOTHER SW score petition!

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    :sneaky2:  

    OK, class, I think that some of you are still not getting it.

    The Director (or in some cases, the Producer) creates a film.  He/she then needs to back the film with music to deepen the emotional aspect of the visuals.  In the case of Attack of the Clones, George Lucas as Director and Executive Producer (read THE MAN IN ULTIMATE CONTROL OF THE FILM), hired John Williams to compose this musical background for HIS (not your, not mine, not even Mr. Williams' but HIS) film.

    Once the composer finishes the score and records it, HE IS COMPLETELY FINISHED WITH THE PROJECT, unless the director/producer hires him for re-scoring or additional score.  The point is, if Mr. Lucas does not desire Mr. Williams for any additional music, Mr. Williams' job is OVER for this project.

    If the producer/director decides during post that any part of the score (or all of it)  does not work with their vision of the film, they have every right to not use it.

    There have been several dozen (if not hundred) films where the director trashed an entire score and had another composer write the film's score from scratch.  

    NOW LISTEN, BOYS AND GIRLS, BECUASE HERE IS THE IMPORTANT PART:

    A composer has no rights to his/her score.  It is now the property of the studio or production company which hired (AND PAID THE SALARY OF THE COMPOSER WHICH WROTE IT), and they can do whatever the please with it.

    No one but this production company or studio has ANY RIGHT TO THIS SCORE.

    George Lucas re-scored all of his films the way he felt would be most suited to his vision.  The only reason the Ultimate Edition of Phantom Menace was even released is because he authorized it.  And yes, it is Mr. Lucas' vision we hear on the album, Not Mr. Williams'

    If you want to hear an entire score the way Mr. Willams' composed it, then I suggest you direct or produce your own film, have him score it, and then you can hear it any way you wish.

    If not, then realize that you are at the whim of the director/producer of the film, they owe the composer nothing beyond paying them for the score, and STOP YOUR INCESSANT IMMATURE WHINING!!!!!

    I believe it is you, my friend, who is "not getting it." Your discussion of rights to a movie score is extremely and needlessly condescending, and at the same time ignores the topic at hand. We all understand that the film belongs to Lucas, and we all understand that he is under no obligation to oblige any of us in our requests for any sort of musical release. However, as previously stated, we have every right to request such a release, and demand that it be advertised correctly. We're not marching around the Sony headquarters, or sending threatening letters. A simple petition was created to make our concerns known. Everyone understands that the Sony execs can and very possibly will ignore this. But if you want something, why not go for it in a civilized manner? And did you even read the petition? It's not immature or whiny at all. But I dare say that you've accomplished that quite well:

    STOP YOUR INCESSANT IMMATURE WHINING!!!!!

    Very mature.

    Ray Barnsbury

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