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  1. My friends, we live in an extremely liberal society. Granted, most of our friends who use this board are not American, they're Canadian or European or Australian, but as far as personal liberties go, it's not like these other societies today are going to enter our homes and condemn us for our opinions or what we post on message boards. We're free to choose our music and friends and make our own opinions. ... But in this case, I'm going make an exception and give you your opinion. 1980 = The Empire Strikes Back. Period. Additionally, I am ashamed to be have been born in the year that can identify itself with Chariots of Fire beating Raiders of the Lost Ark for best score. It's all in fun, friends.
  2. Should I be ashamed of the fact that I actually like Yanni: Live at the Acropolis?
  3. I'm looking forward to this JP meets Tycoon/Sim style game as much as the next guy, but I think the best JP game ever was probably the earliest Jurassic Park computer game, made back in like 1994 by Ocean. Does anyone remember it? You played as Alan Grant and the game began right after the T-Rex broke out of its paddock, flipped the car, the kids ran off, and everything started going to heck. It then progressed through five levels of Triceratops, Stegosaurus, Gallimimus, and Brachiosaurus paddocks and Pterodromes in a top down action-style game, and ended with four levels of first-person action (like Doom) where you have to get the power back on and shoot Velociraptors. It was really well done graphically for the time and the music was top-notch for a video game. Not Williams, but that's why you can listen to CDs. The plotline took a lot from the book as well as the movie, which is why the Pterodrome and Stegosaurs played such a big part of the game. Plus the game was nonlinear to a point. There are two ways to get through the Gallimimus level, one that gets you away from the T-Rex quickly, and the other is a little more courageous, but I could never do it. Additionally, navigating through the river and Pterodrome could have you going in circles just enjoying the scenery and exploring Jurassic Park. I haven't played it for at least seven years, since it has issues when trying to run on computers with Windows 95 or higher, and even then it won't work with sound or runs very slow, defeating the point of the game. Just wondering if anyone ever heard of it or played it, a truly great game from back in the day before Windows 95 and beyond forced us to build legacy machines just to play our favorites.
  4. I'd like to clarify my "Yes" vote, I meant "Yes eventually." As a college student, even without a car, I barely have the money needed to make ends meet as they are, so slapping $700 worth of DVDs, albeit $700 worth of phenomenal DVDs, is a bit extreme at this point. I've seen most of DS9 already, but hardly in the proper order. I just wish some station got its act together and made an initiative to air DS9 with the same love that TNN gave TNG, because more or less, DS9 is a much better and more fullfilling Star Trek experience, the last of the Trek juggernauts.
  5. I stand corrected. That's awesome that there's so much more music, because I'm sick and tired of all these 45 minute Star Trek score albums, I want more. I guess I never noticed, since I usually just concentrate on the visuals and dialogue when I watch Star Trek II. Also, I second those requests for complete Willow and The Brave Little Toaster!
  6. Maybe I'm not understanding totally, but I thought the point of this post was "that one that you desperately want...other than what is presented on the OST, with not much else to get the music from. Or the soundtrack has not been released at all." By that definition, Jaws, Superman, and The Empire Strikes back are pretty well taken care of, unless of course you want to hack up the "Losing a Hand/Hyperspace" with pieces of "The Imperial March" for Vader returning to the Executor. I don't. Besides, the bootlegs of Hook and The Last Crusade are more than enough for me, but were an expanded release of the third Indy to be included as a complete Indiana Jones Trilogy Anthology, then I'd be really happy, because Raiders is missing a bit, and the existing Temple of Doom cues are laughable at best in their incompletion. I'd really like the expanded Star Trek V score as well, but I really don't think there's much more music in Star Trek II that didn't make the soundtrack. I'd love to see an complete The Lord of the Rings Anthology once Return of the King is released, even with all the repeated cues scattered throughout the movie, but I'm sure something like this will be on shelves before Obi-Wan "kills" Anakin in 2005. The only way we'll probably ever hear the complete and correct Episode I score is with all the multiple bootlegs, and I'm not sure I really want to hear the Episode II score as heard in the film, just how Williams originally wrote it. I'd love to hear a complete Jurassic Park, one that isn't all mixed up and renamed to make an "album." Oh, and all the Harry Potter fans can have their beloved scores complete just to make them happy. I'd also like to have the complete score to Gods and Generals once it's out, since if the rumours of a 6 hour film on DVD are true, at best that's still 3+ hours of score. Enough rambling, it's time for the football games to commence!
  7. Hmmm, sounded like you're talking about the score to Episode II for a moment there. For those of us who understand and appreciate the passion and urgency of The Lord of the Rings, those of us who sometimes feel traces of tears at various points in the film or score, then we will feel that Shore's scores for these films are very good. There are people out there who get it, and there are people out there who don't. Humbug to those who don't. I love the scores to The Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers more than any score composed in the past two years. No. As long as I've been alive. Since 1981. Period
  8. you can find anything online if you know where to look
  9. As far as I know of, no, there is not any record in existence anywhere, written or spoken, that says what Lucas' plans are for revamping the existing Trilogy. All the talk about adding scenes of Alderaanians running in terror from the Death Star I, of Palpatine dissolving the Senate, of memories of Luke and Leia's mother on Endor, or of John Williams hacking apart his beautiful scores to IV, V, and VI and adding prequel-era themes and Imperial Marches where not existing before, are just that: rumours. Nothing has been confirmed, and will not be until we get closer to seeing what Lucas has in store for the next incarnation of his films. Don't believe anything you hear or read until after Episode III has hit screens.
  10. "Home is the most excellent place of all." -- Neil Diamond
  11. While it was an interesting read and he did make a lot of good points about Episode II, too much of it felt like he was just interpreting and analyzing plot elements and details that just ended up in the film, rather than were intentionally put there. I think he's trying to give way too much credit to George Lucas, and I don't think that Lucas is as intelligent and specific about all those plot elements as this guy says he is. Take that comment he makes about the mention of moons in the Star Wars films. I don't see any semblance of trying to make a point by having Obi-Wan say "that's no moon" and having Yavin and Endor both be moons, and then turning around and saying in Episode II that Anakin's casual comment about Padme being an "angel from the moons of Iego" or something like that...I just don't see a connection. Or by saying there's a big underlying meaning by staging the final wedding ceremony by a lake and making the water allegorically significant...puh-lease, gimme be a break. 90% of that article is BS, he's reading too much into a so-so movie in the annals of Star Wars. I always hated those classes in high school where you had to analyze every single line and word of a poem to see what the poet meant; sometimes it's just supposed to be a pretty poem and have no moral implication at all. Just because you can over-analyze a work after the fact and pull out all these hidden meanings doesn't mean they were intended to be in there and have such meaning, it's just coincidence.
  12. I think that with the passing of Richard Harris, so too should the Harry Potter film franchise.
  13. E.T. is magical for about the first two tracks, until E.T. is stranded on Earth. From there until Halloween, the entire score lags and is basically just filler music. It's not until we see the little kid as Yoda and hear Johnny's "magical" theme written specifically for Yoda that the score is kicked up a few notches; from there to the end, yes, the score is magical. I love that "Adventures on Earth" as much as the next guy, from the kids riding past the sinister government agents armed with, um, walkie-talkies to the finale, and if only I had more time, I'd work on cutting the midi down to a solo so I can play all ten minutes on my flute and mess up my lip in the process. But my point is, at what point does E.T. become magical? When the theme from what 1980 blockbuster and all-time JW greatest score kicks in? I rest my case. Darth Wojo - Who rests his case.
  14. Your honesty is so very much appreciated Merkel. Thank you so much!
  15. If it's not broke, don't fix it. Horner's not broke, therefore he's got nothing to fix. Besides, if every composer was like John Williams, then John Williams would cease to be as good as he is now; he would no longer be a yardstick by which other composers are measured, they would become indistinguishable from him, and that'd suck.
  16. GRRRRRR. Just don't add CG crap to serve as filler, or take out all the guns, explosions, and swear words. Raiders of the Lost Ark is, in my opinion, the only perfect Indiana Jones film, and damned near the best action/adventure movie ever made. Period. It doesn't need any changes. It disturbs me, though, that it wasn't alter-happy George Lucas who changed and added parts of E.T., but Steven Spielberg. When you put them together, what do you get (beside a non-flowing Battle of Naboo)? The Indiana Jones Trilogy. This means, friends, look for Spielberg & Lucas to remove the sleeping Nazi at the back door to the Well of the Souls, as well as the fly that crawls into the mouth of Paul Freeman [Rene Belloq] as he's lecturing Indy on why he shouldn't blow up the Ark. A fly that crawls into his mouth but not out, and Belloq keeps on talking. That's so cool. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, Jones, at least you haven't forgotten how to show a lady a good time! Boy, you're something! Yeah? I'll tell you what. Until I get back my five thousand dollars, you're gonna get more than you bargained for. I'm your goddamn partner!
  17. I couldn't say that any better myself, Marian. Except, of course, with more bandwith-hogging jawdroppings: eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 eek2 (it'd sure be nice to be able to put a delay in those, so their jaws drop one after another, rather than all at once.) Hehe. Man, an isolated score to a 3.5 hour film? Looks like I gotta brush up on my audio cut and paste skills to make an ultimate three disc soundtrack set. I'm as giddy as a schoolboy waiting for that DVD set; I've actually held off buying the August two-disc release until it drops in price after the four-disc comes out.
  18. Go with the book's quote, then. I was wondering the same thing when I saw, the picture, too, but it makes a sweet wallpaper! I'm having trouble deciding which film I'm more looking forward to, The Two Towers or Nemesis. I mean, I already know what happens in the second installment of The Lord of the Rings, notwithstanding what editorial liberties Peter Jackson has taken, and I want to know if the rumours surrounding the tenth Star Trek flick are true and justified. Scorewise, though, I can't get enough of Shore's The Lord of the Rings, and am so incredibly looking forward to the soundtrack of The Two Towers, as well as the inevitable expanded soundtrack to the entire film once the king returns. I checked over at Aint-It-Cool News, and saw comments confirming that yes, music from "Requiem for a Dream" was used in the trailer, and even suggesting that Shore and Jackson may have acquired rights for that film specifically for The Two Towers. But hey, they used Braveheart music in the trailer for The Fellowship of the Ring, and Willow music in the trailer for Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, so it won't mean a thing until we hear The Two Towers's score. BTW: Does anyone have or know of any The Lord of the Rings MIDI files, particularly the main brassy themes heard in Track 11 "The Ring Goes South" and Track 13 "The Bridge of Khazad-Dum"?
  19. You've left out the Back to the Future Trilogy. But yes, I do realize it's coming out on DVD in December, so it's all good.
  20. Seems to me all those choices but the "i know someone who does" are just varying shades of the same answer: a lot. Maybe it's just really late and my brain has turned to goo.
  21. Potato, potato Tomato, tomato You guys would argue about the proper color of poop.
  22. In addendum, I want to add that any effort by John Williams to rescore the Classic Trilogy, in my humble and honest opinion, could not be as good as the music he wrote twenty plus years ago. His style has significantly altered since then, and his attempts to recapture that style, i.e. Episodes I and II, have been better than most of his other contemporaries, but still lacking when put next to the juggernauts of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. This isn't necessary reflective of the films themselves being any better/worse, just the fact that the Classic scores are perhaps more familiar, enjoyable, complex, and thematically interesting than these two later Star Wars. If you disagree, that's fine, but that's just the way it is. John Williams is not the same composer he was "back in the day," his writing style has changed, and that's why a Greatest Hits cd nowadays will mostly consist of older SW, Indy, Jaws, ET, CE3K, Hook, and Superman, with the occasional Schindler, Harry Potter, SPR, AI, and Prequels. Actually, I'd say that the second list of scores named here are his anomalies, his more recent diamonds in the rough. Those of you who argue that he's grown more musically mature, diverse, emotional, and reflective in recent years, I would just have to say I like the rawer, more direct Williams, who picks two notes for a shark that still looks fake. But rescoring something as well known, successful, and beloved as the Classic Star Wars trilogy, however, that may be borderline blasphemy, but I see it as a personal challenge to Williams, to not only put Anakin's Theme and Duel of the Fates and Across the Stars and the Droid March and whatever else really cool and relevant that he's written for Eps I and II back into the established films, but also to see if he can recapture the feeling of exuberance, wonder, and plain old fun that existed in IV, V, and VI. Let's face it, Lucas is going to tamper with the classic films, it is probably only fair to do so, to add some continuity and closure to what he's establishing in these recent films. Sure, he should fix up the flaws in I and II, like finish discussing midichlorians without leaving us hanging in midair, but he can do that later. Isn't it better for Williams to write new music for these scenes than just use pre-established music for them, such as recycling music for Han and Jabba in Docking Bay 93, or using "TIE Fighter Attack" and "Hyperspace" for scenes around the Death Star II? I think so. It's like this, people: If John Williams is commissioned to rescore all or at least certain parts of one or more films of the Classic Star Wars Trilogy, he will do so to the best of his ability. Any flaws will most surely not be totally his own, but those of the people who edit his music, a la Battle of Geonosis. And it's not like George Lucas is going to knock on each of your doors and demand that you turn over any copies of older Star Wars scores that you have, from 1977 LPs to 1997's Special Edition releases. Nothing will stop you from listening to those and loving them to death and being able to sing and conduct entire hours of music from Star Wars. This just gives us something else to listen to. If it's as good as what's currently there, that's fantastic; if it's not as good, well, it's still Star Wars, and who says we have to watch/listen to it? We've got the old stuff. Now I'm done, until somebody who's afraid of change decides to burn me as a heretic. --"What's the meaning of all of this?" --"It's called the future...Your father called the future "the undiscovered country." Some people think the future means the end of history. Well we haven't run out of history quite yet. People can be very frightened of change." --"You've restored my father's faith." --"And you've restored my son's."
  23. I'm usually a purist when it comes to works of art and/or entertainment that I love and respect, but when it comes to re-scoring the Classic Trilogy, I have mixed feelings. As much as I love the cue "Imperial Attack" at the beginning of Episode IV, when Vader boards the Tantive IV and goes all choke crazy, we've seriously got to look at it in the context of the six films. We've already heard the Imperial March in a varied form with Anakin's introduction on Tatooine, his self-titled Theme, as well as more conventional rendtions of it when he lets the Dark Side flow cutting down Tuskens, and when we see Palpy's clone ships take off. Depending on how Lucas plans to portray the "death" of Anakin Skywalker and subsequent "rebirth" as Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith, in Episode III, boarding the Tantive IV may or may not be Vader's first appearance in the suit. Rumors range from Anakin falling into the lava pit right before Ep III's credits roll, to the Emperor retrieving him there, putting him into the Vader suit, finishing his training, and letting him cut down however many Jedi are left to kill (I'm thinking Mace Windu would die here, but that's my own personal conjecture). Either way calls for massively haunting and powerful performances of the Imperial March, and to have Darth Vader's first appearance be on the Tantive IV, that debut becomes startlingly pale with only a four-note or so Imperial Motif, and not his own full-blown theme. It's stuff like this that I could see getting rescored, scenes where the emotional impact of missing themes written for later films would work better than existing music or no music at all. The entire Battle of Hoth and Endor sequences, on the other hand, are about as perfectly seamless and thematically flowing as you're gonna get them, unless you want to put a few strains of Duel of the Fates, but don't overdo it. One thing that I am really keen about is placing deleted scenes not seen since the editing room back into the film where they belong. Such scenes work very well in such recent DVD releases as Star Trek: The Motion Picture, where they help make that movie a bit more enjoyable, as well as Star Trek II, fleshing out the minor but unforgettable character of Peter Preston. These two releases put the deleted scenes right back into the flow of the film, whereas the 20th Anniversary release of Jaws put the deleted scenes in an appendix form, where you can watch the lead-in scene and then see what would have been different. I'm sure if you're quite willing to take the time, you can edit yourself a definitive copy with those deleted scenes put back into the movie flow, but it's really only worth it there to see Quint buying his piano string and yelling at the clarinet player. Then there are DVD releases such as Independence Day and T2: Judgement Day that give you the choice of watching either the original theatrical version and the extended version, both included on the same disc. This is along the lines of what I feel George Lucas should do for the inevitable DVD release of his beloved franchise, if these alterations come to pass. By all means, include somewhere the deleted scenes, such as the stormtroopers running into the wampa cage on Hoth, and Luke meeting Biggs and his friends on Tatooine and seeing the Tantive IV incident from planetside. And if Lucas wants to put this new footage into the films, such as Titanic-esque flashbacks showing an older, sadder Padme raising Leia, or Jar-Jar and Bail Organa's final moments as the Death Star rolls through Alderaan, go ahead, but give us the choice of watching it. Don't force feed all this new Star Wars music and video down the throats of those who have loved Star Wars since Oola danced to the ridiculous yet nostalgic "Lapti Nek," when we had no idea what Jabba the Hutt was until 1983, and when Luke didn't scream anything on his way to certain "death" at the bottom of Bespin. Release at least three different versions of the Classic Star Wars Trilogy: the original, purest 1977, 80, and 83 films; the Special Editions; and the latest refilmed, rescored Super Duper Special Edtions, or Force-Laden Special Editions, or whatever Lucas sees fit to call them. It's fine and dandy that Lucas sees the most recent version of the films as the "real" one, the most official canon, but don't deprive the world of the chance to see them as they once were. Perhaps Lucas could market each version as a different boxed set, or include all the different versions together. I know that I would buy them all, and love them all for their individual differences. This way, he would make EVERYONE happy, both the purists who want the rough, gritty feel of the non-CGI originals; the people who love the quasi-CGI look of the Special Edition; and the people who have yet to grow up knowing only whatever incarnation will include snippets of Gungans, Mauls, clones, Padmes, and Jimmy Smitses in their Star Wars universe. Both that, and he'd stand to make even more money from people buying all the various versions. This is the same marketing scheme that the people over at New Line adopted for The Lord of the Rings: release the film as it was with some specials now, and later, to once again build hype for the continuation (technically not a Sequel, just Part II), as if any artificial hype-builder were necessary, release an expanded version with even more extras. The same worked with Pearl Harbor, but how can you compare that movie to Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings? Long live Tora, Tora, Tora!, I say. As for the music of the Classic Trilogy, if it's re-scored, release the soundtracks with the originals intact, or at least the intact versions of the individual tracks altered, since they now fall under the "alternate / unused" category. Some of the scenes demand rescoring, like Vader's debut, while others stand to benefit, such as blending Qui-Gon's and Anakin's Themes into Ben's bullshitting session to Luke on Tatooine, when he presents him with his father's saber. Cliche, yes, but if it's not broke, don't fix it. However sad it may be, in the eyes of George Lucas, we will probably never reach a time when the Star Wars franchise is not broke. I'm done, for now.
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