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Posts posted by Docteur Qui
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Amen, Morn.
Except I still can't see him. But I would make the effort if it WAS Williams.
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Tee hee, I love subliminal messages...
I haven't heard all of the score yet, only the first four tracks or so. But from "Aunt Marge's Waltz" I can gather that it's going to be excellent.
Pete - Who's still bitter about Clemmensen's LOTR bias.
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There are so many threads about the PoA score I didn't know where to post it, so I just slapped it here.
I've just been browsing some general Harry Potter forums and I'm amazed at the amount of people who bash Williams on them. Most of them don't know what they're on about and just say "It sounds like Star Wars and Independence Day music, some of John's previous works..." but then the people who (seemingly) do rip it to bits. One person said "he writes some nice notes but then the rest are repeditive staccato brass notes...". Enough to make you cringe, but not until someone says "I think they should find someone else to do the music for Harry Potter. John Williams just didn't deliver for me on this one. I'd like to see Hans Zimmer or Elfman score them..." when you vomit.
The fact that they know nothing of the complex thematic development and the importance of every theme is probably why the negative feedback is there. I read some of the predictions of the PoA score that they had and was mortified at the lack of knowledge they posess about the scores. Granted, I probably know a lot more about the scores than them and that's thanks to these forums, site and members. But they predict that the Knight Bus will start with an "evil verison of Harry's Theme, then the seven-note Evil Theme" obviously meaning Voldemort's theme. They don't know about how important it is to place these themes carefully in the score and not just slap them everywhere. They have no idea how it could drastically decrease the score and film if Voldemort 's Theme was mentioned every time something bad happens.
I know that many of them know next to nothing about film scores, and that I'm probably being too critical, but it just irks me big-time.
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What annoys me is that he has the same complaints about continuity in Return of the King, yet he still seems fit to award it five stars. I hope that when the movie comes out he will have that "Score as heard..." up so at least we can see what he thought of it in the movie. If he doesnt, we will see his bias for LotR and the Prequels in full force. Then he can give it an overall score, and by then perhaps he will have raised the score. We can only hope.
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Well, that's definately a good thing. I hope it comes out on time.
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Oh well, the rest of us will probably like it which is all that matters really. He liked the first two films, I didn't.
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Um, the recordings on the soundtracks sound excellent, and Shore conducted them too. Perhaps you just attended a bad concert for Shore? Maybe he's sick or something.
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I'm still holding out.
I don't really care much about the price, I just want to get my hands on that score!
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In exactly one week, I will be listening to this soundtrack. Apparently the earliest I can gain it is Sunday (30th), if not, a week from now (31st). I am EXTREMELY excited. The fact that I haven't heard the majority of it is what excites me most. I pity the fools who listened to the Listening Party.
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I'm still waiting, barely. Though I feel unclean, I listened to about halfway through Buckbeak's Flight. I'm so ashamed.... Still, I have "Window to the Past" to look foward to.
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It is exactly the same recording, except there is an extra three seconds about halfway into it (i'll try to find the track time) and the ending is alternate. If you listen on a discman (unfortunately that's my only way to listen to CD's; no hi-fi for me) you can hear the difference between them. The acoustics sound very different, and as it's performed by an entirely different orchestra and conducted by someone else this is understandable. I wish they did record it again. Not that I want it again now, but it would have been nice for the CoS release.
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I'm just still upset at how awfully the Chamber theme was treated on the album release. Two quotes of the theme, and the concert suite of it. I recall at least five more times in the actual film, one highlight being "The Writing on the Wall" which has the choir wailing it out, like the "Arrival at Hogwarts" chorals. The secondary part of the Chamber theme was also used for dramatic parts in the film (like when the students fill up the corridors around the wall) and sounds great. Alas, not all releases can be well thought-through and given time. I also (off-topic sort of) wonder if the music would have been much different had Williams conducted it instead of Ross.
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As Alex suggested, Potter was what brought me in as a JW fan. Though Jurassic Park played a HUGE part in it too. The first time I saw it I was too young to think of the music and such, but as the years progressed I noticed first the Island fanfare and then the beautiful Theme form Jurassic Park. I investigated Williams' other works on the internet, to find that he composed the only movie themes that i considered memorable (that is, that I recognised); Star Wars, Indiana Jones and Jurassic Park.
Then Potter came along, and I fell in love with the music from the trailer. And so it was. The first CD I had ever purchased was the soundtrack from the film Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. The fact that I was a huge fan of the books before I even knew a movie was in the works helped greatly for my interest. But as I grew up I realised that I never liked the music other people liked. I never listened to the radio, never watched "Video Hits" and I never knew the lyrics to the hit pop sings at the time. But I did like orchestral, and more speciafically, scores.
That is my story. Feel privileged .
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I heard about a rumoured ending, but it sounded awfully cheezy. I don't know if it's the same one, because I don't want any more spoiled. I accidentally downloaded half of the Dementor on the train scene, and I don't want anymore ruined. Anyways, it'd have to be pretty bad to out-do the ending of CoS on the cheese-meter.
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True, K.M. If I'd thought of that I would have voted for it. Oh well.
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"Welcome to Jurassic Park" shouldn't really be on there, especially if "Journey to the Island" is already.
Anyway, I went for Journey.
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Well it just seems that my humour is not funny at all (or too silly nobody gets it...)
What is the most common conception od C3PO? It even appeared in the simpsons, so it is not the spanish who think that. Let's say he is not very masculine.
Thats why being near C3PO was dangerous for that anatomical part of your body....
I knew what you meant. Perhaps because my Simpsons obsession borderlines scary.
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Even fans of John Williams have prefered, on the whole, the new Star Wars scores over those in the Harry Potter series.
This is where he loses me. And many others.
The lengthy emphasis on the Fawkes theme, which isn't particularly memorable in the first place, is a curious aspect of especially the album of music from the film.This doesn't even NEED to be discussed. Not only is Fawkes criminally underused, but it's second to only Hedwig's Theme as the most memorable (perhaps not recognisable) theme in the series.
Another thing. When I listened to Fawkes I felt an overwhelming euphoria of happiness and sheer beauty. And that was on the terrible quality AOL Listening Party. When I heard "Across the Stars" in crisp, clear quality on the album, I felt very little. If anything I felt it was out of place on the album.
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That's the quote that always gets me... As if "Fawkes" doesn't soar above "Across the Stars". Clemmenson is ridiculously biased in his Potter reviews, though it's unclear where he's biased. He picks apart the scores, comparing them to every other Williams score in a similar genre, commenting on their predictibility and cliched ideas, but he still gives them 4 stars. Is he revieweing the score as it is, or as compared to Williams' other works?
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I'm looking foward to Clemmenson's as well, I finally want him to say the words "He did it." For the last two Potter reviews he's been saying that Williams missed the mark for another classic, I haven't heard the score for PoA, but judging by people here I think it must be pretty good.
Yoda: LOL It's bad enough he gave TPM five stars, but AotC?? I know Across the Stars was good, but not good enough to redeem the whole score. Four stars, at the most.
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Hey, I live on the same continent as Morn too!
Ho-hum, these banning threads will burn themselves out, I'm sure.
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The Force Theme. Its appearance in the Binary Sunset cue is magical, and it's interwoven into each score so well it would be nice to hear it in its full glory.
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critic in the Herald Sun. He gave the first two Potter films 4 and a half stars. If that wasn't bad enough, he gave Fellowship two stars.
sounds about right with me,
Yeah, well, this is another thing I have to disagree with you.
Clemmenson's PoA Review
in General Discussion
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Aha! I thought it was you! Well well, what a coincedence...
As soon as I saw the "Sydney, Australia" location and your Herrmann signature I thought something was up. Your knowledge of scores made me think you were more than just the average Potter fan.
Notice how all my posts are nearly the same when I post them in more than one place? Did the same over at FilmTracks too.
Together, we shall rule Mugglenet, and Williams' name will be known by ALL!