Goldsmithfan

But the whole problem is that they don't need to worry about what's going to be popular or make money. Filmmakers are storytellers period. If you let them tell their story without a bunch of strings attached, like keeping it under two hours or preventing an R rating at all costs, you'll get a good movie and people will respond. But now we've got a film industry that's afraid of it's own shadow offending someone while running too long.

I'm so tired of those who disregard films because they contain something familiar. If you're not going see these films and judge them in their own right, then don't comment on them. If you want to criticise each one, do so without bitching about it not being entirely original. And if you find modern animation tasteless simply because of its medium, then you're short-sighted and missing out on some good cinema. If you want true originality, you're going to have to look further than what the Hollywood machine waves infront of your face. I would've thought that's obvious. Have you seen The Prestige, Pan's Labyrinth or Children of Men this year? They're marketed in your face and they're original. Sequels and remakes are Hollywood's way of saying, "Let's not think. I'm done now." The whole industry is run by a bunch of money-grubbing pussies who couldn't write themselves out of a phonebooth. Why? Because there's no money in it. They only want to go with what's been done before because they're terrified of failure. Chances are rarely, if ever, taken anymore and the industry is suffering because of it. I HATE the recent influx of completely CGI films because, for the most part, they just copy Disney. They use the same watered-down, lowest common denominator type humor and the same tired plot devices as every one pre and proceeding it. If someone were to put one out that didn't just revolve around being so cutesy, cutesy all the time, I'd want to see it. But people have gotten the idea banged into their heads that cartoons are for kids and kids alone so that's what we're stuck with. I love REAL film. Not all this mainstream crap that, as you put it, the Hollywood machine puts out. I'm quite aware that there is more out there than just the crap in my pitiful country. However, when you live somewhere that relegates foreign films to a limited release unless there are people flying around on wires, you're screwed because overseas is where the real action is. Thanks for the lecture! I bow down to the master of film. :roll:

Man, how many times have you had to clarify that for people? I've seen probably about four incidents so I'm gonna guess thirty.

Casino Royale = Prequel Hollywood's dead. Dead as dreams.

Cool. I have two Poltergeist II advocates . . . which is quite ironic.

I'm so tired of sequels, remakes and completely CGI movies that I think I'm gonna barf. Hollywood is dead.

You mention Polgergeist 2 as if it's a given that no one likes it. I think it's more of a love/hate score. Either ya love it, or ya hate it. Personally, I love it. Goldsmith injected the first score with steroids and an evil-sounding chorus and bing! Poltergeist 2!

I think Joey fixed it. Good work Joey. Now I'll have to change it back . . . Just kidding.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

Someone is really childish. It reads as if it were written by a fourteen year old. A fourteen year old in a hurry.

It needs a damn rerelease. Great score though.

Nah, Keira's too damn thin. Like pretty much all the women of Hollywood are anymore. They need to EAT!

It's not how old you are, but how foxy. And she was an ultra-fox. The only thing that would have been an improvement would have been her going back to her natural hair color.

There have been movie series in the past in which composers and themes have switched without any huge freakouts. Star Trek immediately comes to mind. I think it's a slap in the face to the new guy because it's like saying, "Here, score this film. But don't make your own themes. Use the first guy's. That's all anyone really cares about hearing."

It just wouldn't be the same. Re-recordings always screw something up. The only re-recording I can listen to is the Debney recording of Somewhere in Time, and even that's flawed, but not as bad as other ones I've heard.

It would be nice to throw out Elfman's stuff and let Young do his own work. I like Young's music better anyway. I can't stand it when any composer has to write a score using someone else's themes. It just seems like a slap in the face to the new guy.

I wouldn't want them re-recorded anyway. I'm not a very big fan of such a thing!

I've heard people say that about The Drones Attack and The Massacre. I think it's because the string passages in each sound simlar. But, in any case, I thought they sounded similar. I hadn't thought of the Williams cues like that at all until they were mentioned. Maybe we're both weird, but in different ways?

That's like saying "The Drones Attack" from Insurrection is exactly the same as "The Massacre" from Total Recall. Similar yes, but not nearly as much as people would have you believe.

I concur.

The Arena is a f*cking unrelenting masterpiece of a march. I've heard people say Episode II didn't have a finale, but I'll be goddamned if that wasn't it! It just keeps getting more and more complex until your skull presses against your brain and it feels like thisssssssssssssssssss:

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm willing to accept electronic sounds in cases where they do a better job than acoustic ones. The ones in The Princess Bride don't. They sound dated and rather cheesy, effectively covering up whatever merit the music might have. To call us prejudiced against synths is like calling the vast majority of people I know prejudiced against orchestral instruments. If they don't like 'em, they don't like 'em. Understanding that dislike may be very difficult, but to each his own, you know? A lot of us who are used to hearing acoustic instruments are disappointed when 20-year-old synthesized ones try to do the job. I can understand that you might not like "cheesy" sounding electronics, but that could very well have been what the point of the score was. Everything else in the film is a parody. Why not the score? I think that saying many people here are prejudiced against them would be very accurate. There are many who dismiss a score simply because it's got a lot of elecronics, not even giving it a chance because of the instruments involved. I can't think of another group of instruments that's attacked so blatantly and so often. But, in any case, I am very much a fan of accoustic instruments, but that doesn't mean that experimentation should be avoided at all costs. I once saw a thread at this site which was related to the Rambo scores. One poster said they liked the score to the first one best because it had the least electronics. You may not be prejudiced against them, but some people here are!

Damn! Here we are again, slamming electronics. Is there a word for people that are prejudiced against instruments? This board seems to have that in spades!

I like to think that there are unreleased scores out there that are more deserving of one than Tom and Jerry. :roll:

I concur. For me there was nothing special about it. Just another entry in the gray, lifeless background noise that is what film scores are slowly becoming.