Goldsmithfan
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It is used in the excellent, unreleased "Portuguese Coast" from Last Crusade, though.
I'd completely forgotten about that! As soon as you mentioned it, that moment from the film came rushing back.
when Indy tries to enter the truck and it's played real fast.That used to be my single favourite moment from the original OST.That was the moment I'd somehow managed to forget. The passage as the chase ends and you can see on Indy's face the toll which the adventure has taken on him is also wonderful as well, especially the way the theme winds down. Fabulous work.
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To be perfectly honest, I think I enjoy this passage more than the main march itself. There's just something about it.
Anyway, I gave the Raiders OST a listen the other day and absolutely loved the bits from Desert Chase which utilized the B section in such an action packed setting. I'd somehow managed to forget all about those moments. Sadly, I don't think it was used in that fashion in Temple of Doom or The Last Crusade. I can only hope it will happen again for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull... though I know it won't.
Any opinions on the subject? Anyone agree with me?
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Doom is still the weakest of the series though. Yes, it is.
For me, Temple of Doom is a weird one. I absolutely love it, yet I don't typically like this type of camp humor. I guess the best way for me to put it is that, for me, it has almost enough things making it the worst Indy film as it does factors which make it the best.
Did that make sense at all?
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Beggars can't be choosers. And we film score fans are certainly S.O.L. when it comes to hearing what we'd like much of the time. I'd rather have an expanded CD than just a rerelease.
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I'm speaking in terms of Temple of Doom and The Last Crusade since I'm pretty satisfied with the current expanded Raiders of the Lost Ark though I know many long for "Government Agents" on a legitimate disc.
What started this all off is the fact that I recently got the OSTs for the trilogy and was rather underwhelmed by the presentation of Temple of Doom. Don't get me wrong, I love the score. It's probably my favorite of the three, but the album presentation is far too sparse.
So if the rereleases could only have ten to fifteen minutes more music added to them, and you were in charge of what made the cut, what would you choose?
For Temple of Doom I'd want the cue for the Indy vs. Lao Che diamond negotiations, the choral stuff for the Indian village and the introduction of the slave children material, and the complete bridge finale. That's definitely more than fifteen minutes so we'll stretch it to twenty. And I'll also add the cue for Indy stealing the stones.
I'm really satisfied with the OST to The Last Crusade, but there are a few things I'd like to hear on the album. The action cue for the boat fight toward the beginning of the film, the music for Henry's house, the music for Elsa's betrayal (the musical acknowledgement of her taking the diary is wonderful and hell, this and "Don't call me Junior!" could probably be combined as one cue for the album) and there's also the full "Penitent man will pass" music.
What would you add?
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This is one of the few short OST albums that I can really get into. I know it's missing a great wealth of material from the film, but the album was very well put together.
Not that I'd mind an expanded rerelease.
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I'll probably go see it on the 23rd.
That's what I'm doing. Turds.
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I find it interesting that for both the stormtroopers in Star Wars and the Nazis in the Raiders films, Williams first composed a short motive and then a longer, more romanticized, theme. Not that the Nazi theme from The Last Crusade is as complex or is showcased remotely as much as the Imperial March, but it's just an interesting thing to me.
I prefer the Nazi theme from The Last Crusade.
And, being of German descent, calling it a "German" theme is a little insulting. You offend me.
Then again, we're all human so who gives a sh_t!
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To prepare for Indy IV, I decided to get myself more familiarized with the original scores. Yesterday I listened to Temple of Doom and today was The Last Crusade. Maybe I'll pull a Lucas and listen to Raiders tomorrow. And, naturally, I've preordered the soundtrack to Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I know I'm in the minority, but I hope Williams composed something more along the lines of The Last Crusade for this one. I love that score!
I've also scheduled the 23rd of May as a day off from work. I know. I'm stupid.
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Honestly if this isn't a 5 star score then what is?
The Empire Strikes Back.
I had to say it.
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Its good but an unispired version of The 13th Warrior.
Do you people even listen to this stuff? The 'Mummy' has a sitar and a similar chord progression in one of the themes, apart from this it's a completely different road from '13th Warrior', altogether.
Thank you. People hear one similarity and jump to the "13th Warror clone" statement.
In any case, I find The Mummy enjoyable, but don't think it's the masterpiece I did when the film first came out. The 13th Warrior is far better, but this one is quite an entertaining roller coaster ride of bombast.
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I try to learn as little about upcoming releases as possible, as long as it's something I'm interested in anyway. I've tried to find out as little about Kingdom of the Crystal Skull as has been humanly possible. I'll most likely hear the score for the first time when I see the film. I don't see the benefit of finding every tidbit you can on an upcoming film. And I'm not surprised that the samples aren't that spectacular. They don't do any score justice.
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I collect scores, for trading.
I will never understand some score fans.
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Judge Dredd is one of my most played Silvestri scores. I love it. It's by no means a complex score, but it's one of the most entertaining works I've heard and it's certainly one of his best scores of the decade. I reccomend it to anyone who enjoys Silvestri or coherant action writing in general.
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where is zero stars, awful dreadful score, Jerry's obviously affected by his cancer, because this is a disaster.
Bad film, terrible score. Completely and utterly inappropriate usage of themes.
Have you even given the nearly complete score a listen? That's kind of a bad thing to say about the score.
For me I love the score and I gave it a solid five stars. I will admit it took a while to grew on me when the OST came out however when the nearly complete score leaked I really loved it then. Some of the best parts from the nearly complete score were left off the album.
BTW Drax, Nemesis is my second favorite TNG film, the first will always be First Contact.
its a piece of crap score, and I've heard the complete score in the film, its so bad. JG was so tired of ST at that point the way JW was of SW. There is no life in it. Jerry just throws the klingon theme as Worf's theme, when it is not. Sadly this is one of JG's last scores, he didn't go out on a high note.
Actually, it's been reported that Jerry loved Nemesis and said that it was his favorite of the Star Trek films. (According to the final installment of the Jerry Goldsmith CD guide from FSM) Not only that, but he didn't once use the Klingon theme in Nemesis.
Personally, I love this score. It was such a drastically different and austere take on Star Trek music that I didn't know quite how to take it at first. I can only assume that's why it gets such a bad rap. It wasn't what anyone expected. It's certainly one of the most avant garde scores out of the five Goldsmith composed for the series, if not THE most. To me, it sounds like Jerry said to hell with convention and did what he felt was right. Listen to this and Timeline and you can hear his sound going in an absolutely sublime, new direction. If only we could have heard more of it.
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If it were a box set I would guess 1 disc for Raiders, 2 discs for TOD and 2 for LC.
And a sixth disc for additional Raiders cues, source music and alternatives.
If that were true, I think they'd bill it as the Brown Box.
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I voted for none of the above.
Why?
I'd give up my appendix!
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I love to watch camp classics from the period. Earth Vs. The Flying Saucers and Creature from the Black Lagoon come to mind. I've also seen The Day the Earth Stood Still but just can't get into it. I know it's not watched for camp, but I can't get into it seriously or for laughs. It just doesn't hold water for me. I really liked Metropolis too, though that's a bit before the aforementioned titles.
I really like the Laurel & Hardy shorts too. And the older Our Gang stuff is pretty funny too.
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It's Verhoven. How good can it be?
Spec-TACULAR!!!
I count Flesh + Blood amongst his best, alongside Soldaat van Oranje, Zwartboek and Basic Instinct.
I just wish I could find a poster with that wonderful tagline, "A mirror of our time." Truer words were never spoken.
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As most people will say:
What the hell is Flesh + Blood??? There's a movie for that score? Weird.
Personally, I love it.
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It didn't stand up when I last sat through the wretched thing. (I was only about seven and already knew it was dreck)
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Back to the Future is probably my favorite comedy from the 80's along with Ghostbusters. I'd say the latter comes in just ahead; though it doesn't feature the emotional punch of the former (the Doc subplot of course) it's a better comedy in my opinion.
Now where's the score release damn it!!!!
I couldn't resist.
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Didn't they turn it into an action TV series, too? The original movie was brilliant, but taking a fascism satire, removing the satire bits and continuing it as an action franchise still seems like a pro-fascism statement to me (as does the German dub - apparently, it's still not tolerable to make anti-fascism statements in entertainment movies in our countries... see also Hitchcock's Notorious or Die Hard).
The first film was certainly satirical, but the second was as well! The first one was a bit more laid back in the satire though. The second one wasn't quite pointing out the idiocracy of fascism, but of war itself. The scene where Dax discusses the word "hero" with Lt. Dill is one of my favorite cinema moments period. Pretty much says what's been on my mind for years. And let's not forget the "Shed no tears for me" epilogue. Yeesh!!!
This one looks like it's quite satirical. Look at how overt the FedNet ads have become... if they could have gotten any worse!!! Now they resemble ads which play constantly in a certain country which shall remain nameless. (I live there. It's pretty terrifying how right Neumeier was. They virtually allude to the "Service guarantees citizenship" line from the first film during the TV ads.)
It's all satire, but it's different types.
The first one was showing a fascist nation making war in any way it could. The second one was showing how such nations try to justify themselves by saying that the troops are becoming heroes when they go off to fight. This one... I don't know since it hasn't come out yet. I had low expectations for the first sequel when I saw clips and only rented it for a laugh. I was very pleasantly surprised. I'll look at this one the same way. I don't see how they could pull it off three times, but Ed Neumeier doesn't pull any punches so it sounds like an interesting project none the less.
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I find it to be a fun score, but not much else. It's certainly not bad, but it's not terribly intricate. Though I find it hard to believe that Goldsmith's 90's output was remotely "mediocre" considering he produced material like Total Recall, Basic Instinct, The 13th Warrior and L. A. Confidential during that period.
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Such a harsh statement...
I have a question: Why are we film score fans such short tempered maniacs? We read the worst into everything and "defend" ourselves with some of the most ludicrous statements I've ever read. (Not targeting anyone specific; this comment just caught my attention)
And if Goldsmith's output from 1994-2004 (since he didn't write anything in 2005) "sucked balls" then what do you say of the current state of film music? It must require entirely new words!!!