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...but then there was The Majestic...
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What was the point of that?
~Harry
It's called discussion about film music.
Anyway, to me, the piece does remind me of "The Ultimate War" -- my first few listens to the unreleased portions of this Hook cue were what really drove this home for me. As others have stated, there's no question that Shostakovich was an important inspiration for Williams here...
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It's amazing how much milage you can get out of speed' date=' humor, and cutting-edge special effects.[/quote']
A lot of people would agree with you. But, ultimately, the pleasure is transient...and you wish there were something of the indelible storytelling qualities exhibited so powerfully by Jackson's The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (even if it painfully, but understandably, defied the novel in so many ways).
I enjoyed the AOTC ride, but when it was over, I realized it could have been so much more. Some of us grimace because the cheap thrills of AOTC can't compare with its premise's potential.
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(call it a "Typhographical" error....bwah, hah....).
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Williams most thrilling theme is Yoda's theme in fanfare mode.
Justify, rationalize all you want, but it makes absolutely no sense Empire.
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I have to disagree about Marquand, the only thing he got convincing is convincingly bad.
The whole scene with Luke telling Leia that they are brothers and sisters is by far the most laughable piece of acting in the film. Horrendous. Even I. Kershner has stated that Marquand did not qet good perfomances out of his actors. And it show.
Joe, still laughing at Leia telling Luke to run away. Talk about spoiled cheese.
Yeah, but if Marquand weren't dead, he'd be able to fire back that Hamill's climactic post-revelation outburst in The Empire Strikes Back is equally embarrassing.
Yup, all of Star Wars films feature horrid acting. But some have it worse than others...
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BTW, since the MB has become a chat room of late, Who do you think that the Rockets will draft with the #1 overall pick?
Yao Ming is a huge (literally) risk, but the Rockets are badly in need of a true center. People like to point to Philly's Manute Bol for comparison, but a better analogy might be Cleveland's Danny Ferry, who was clearly a bust. There's no way we can tell what will happen...
But what piques my interest about Ming is his putatively deft outside shooting. He could almost be another Matt Bullard, although we'd certainly expect/hope for greater things from him..
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I enjoy both of them, and therefore recommend both. They both are very moving and very sober, and they are a wonderful asset to any collection.
~Harry
Well, I agree that they're sobering, but...
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Harry, I don't like Hook at all. The shear number of themes is so unimportant, its quality that counts, and since there are no characters in the film worth writing themes about, who cares.
But I find so much magic in the score for Harry Potter.
Sorry but Hook couldn't be more uninteresting to me than if Hans Zimmer had scored it.
Joe, who is a minority of one
I take it you're not impressed with "Captain Panaka and The Queen's Protectors" from the first TPM album? To me, it blows away just about anything Williams produced for AOTC.
What is the connection here, Alan?
-Chris, Not following how the Panaka cue or AOTC came up in the Hook/Potter discussion...
I'm assuming, since Joe is so outspokenly unfond of all that is Hook, that he is also disappointed by any of John Williams's action music that is stylistically similar to "The Ultimate War."
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Actually, instead of Schinder's List, I'd go for John Corigliano's The Red Violin, a far more interesting listen in terms of violin solos.
Saving Private Ryan, provided you like elegaic Americana, is one the most moving scores Williams has ever produced. Highly recommended.
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What exactly were you guys expecting in AOTC? Man...
It's quite interesting to see such a wide variety of opinions on things like this.
Personally, I found the acting, overall, to be quite good. This IS Star Wars, after all...not My Dinner with Andre...
No, none of the Star Wars films feature "brilliant" acting, but Kershner and Marquand were clearly able to get something out of the actors that Lucas has never able to do. Something convincing.
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If the Imperial March is Vader's theme,what the f*uck is it doing in a scene when neither Vader or Anakin is in ,even if it sounds good.
K.M.
Because it's exactly its title: The IMPERIAL March. Along with DV's theme, it represents the Imperials.
~Harry
Yes. It IS named that on the original 1980 ESB soundtrack.
But what KM and I mean is that BEFORE Vader exists, and while the Imperials are just starting to form, we have the full theme blasting out? I'd rather have Williams' original statement that got dropped...
I'm not sure I understand what the "original statement" is of which you are talking.
~Harry
The "massive orchestral blowout" mentioned by the London Voices member.
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I'd rather have a few bad edits than very extensive edits.
I'd rather have edits that do work, except for the discerning ears, than edits that blatantly suck for anyone who's not deaf.
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I agree.
I don't mind TPM's music edits (except the Pod Race and the Naboo battle, which were poor to horrid) either. That's where they are offensive.
AOTC has some pretty severe edits. Some of which make no sense. They make TPM's edits look like a great job.
I would forgive them if they simply released all the music... but according to that snippy response from a Sony rep... they won't even do that.
I agree that the edits in AOTC were more extensive, but they were far more closer to fitting than TPM's.
"Anakin Defeats Sebulba" tracked into the Gungan/Droid battle. Laughable.
The worst: the swashbuckling blast of Anakin's theme as the Padme, Sabe, Panaka, and the rest are trapped by droidekas. Wow, great stuff, editors!
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Harry, I don't like Hook at all. The shear number of themes is so unimportant, its quality that counts, and since there are no characters in the film worth writing themes about, who cares.
But I find so much magic in the score for Harry Potter.
Sorry but Hook couldn't be more uninteresting to me than if Hans Zimmer had scored it.
Joe, who is a minority of one
I take it you're not impressed with "Captain Panaka and The Queen's Protectors" from the first TPM album? To me, it blows away just about anything Williams produced for AOTC.
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Kenneth Wannberg has been working with John Williams for a long time now; no need to go attack him all of a sudden.
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DON'T CRITISIS ME!!!
WHAT?
:roll:
...as if you should be talking, MornNB. ;D
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Minority Report is probably going to be one of the very best soundtracks of the year, as it will probably feature some of Williams`s most exciting work to date. I`ve heard that this music is supposed to be a little like "The Lost World".
So we can expect to hear a lot from Williams this year : except AOTC and Minority Report he will also score HP2 and Catch Me If You Can.
Yeah, but remember that The Lost World was, naturally, packed with a lot of brooding atmospheric music as well. We're bound to get a sizable share of it on the soundtrack release.
Plus, I don't want another The Lost World. I think Williams has been using enough of it recently ("The Quidditch Match" in Harry Potter, all over the place in AOTC, particularly "Zam the Assassin"). Something more original would be preferable.
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COUNT DOOKU
The Force is with us, my Master.
DARTH SIDIOUS
Welcome home, Lord Tyranus. You have
done well.
COUNT DOOKU
I bring you good news, my Lord.
The war has begun.
DARTH SIDIOUS
Excellent.
(smiling)
Everything is going as planned.
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People, the correct spelling is "Tyrannus".......
And Justin posted the correct line from the movie.
-Jason
The Lost World (complete)That's not true. It's Tyranus, even though tyranny has two n's.
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Although John Williams invariably delivers excellent music, I think it'd be smug even for him to say he knows precisely what the film needs. That really shouldn't be his decision: it should be the director's.
(Of course, that doesn't mean the director is the music expert, or anything. It doesn't mean he should be able take the composer's finished product and hack it to pieces in post-production. AHEM)
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I just hope he'll turn that techno part from A.I.'s Moon Rising cue into a two hour score.
But hey, that's just me!
Bye,
Roald
You bet that's just you! The last thing I want Williams doing is rehashing the most embarrassing part of an otherwise excellent score.
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Wow, just what I was hoping for, Williams doing Goldsmith like stuff
...just what I don't want him doing.
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John Williams's increasingly extensive utilization of ideas from his The Lost World: Jurassic Park music is proving how remarkably underrated that score is...
My fear is that much of Minority Report might simply be The Lost World + heavy synthesized effects. That bothers me because a) I wish he'd come up with somewhat more original soundscape for Minority Report's futuristic world; and b) Williams isn't particularly savvy with electronics when it comes to making them prominent (not referring to his tasteful use of it in, say, AOTC, the eletronic guitar aside).
Well, I finally saw AOTC last night
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