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  1. OK, back from the film and some general comments on the music: First of all, I was a BIT disappointed by the score. The keyword here, I think, is "whimsical". There's a LOT of rhytmic and energetic stuff with all the usual Williams trademarks, but if you want thematic setpieces like a "The Asteroid Field" or "The Forest Battle" or whatever, you won't find it. In fact, the most striking theme was the "rebel" theme (also in the way it appeared in the film). In that case, it has a lot in common with INDY 4. Rey's theme had some nice renditions -- especially of the more pastoral kind (an extension of what you heard in the TV spot) when she is first introduced. Finn's theme and Kylo Ren's theme are more motivic than thematic, IMO. A big treat was the appearance of the original themes -- they're almost used more extensively than in the first six films. The "Force" theme appearances were undoubtedly those that made the biggest impression. There is dark choral music for one particular scene, but it's not in the big, overt "Duel of the Fates" kind. More like the choral music for Palpatine in REVENGE OF THE SITH. To be fair, I think the music will fare much better on album. At least I hope so. It's mixed fairly high in the film, but there's still a lot getting lost in the sound mix.
  2. Since my early days of studies on John Williams’ Opus, I have always been intrigued and confused about the two big Suites from Star Wars. Now, thanks to the wisdom and knowledge of jwfan.com scholars, I hopefully await for a lot of answers to the numerous mysteries about these transcendental pieces. These are the movements from the two different suites, obtained from the original LPs presentations: Zubin Mehta 1. Main Title 2. Princess Leia’s Theme 3. The Little People 4. Cantina Band 5. The Battle 6. The Throne Room and End Title Charles Gerhardt 1. Main Title 2. The Little People Work 3. Here They Come! 4. Princess Leia 5. The Final Battle 6. The Throne Room and End Title Mehta Movements 1, 2, 3 and 6 can be considered equivalent to Gerhardt 1, 4, 2 and 6. Main Title and Princess Leia arrangements are similar to those from the original album by John Williams. The extended concert version of The Throne Room and End Title doesn’t appear in the original album, but it is undoubtedly from the hand of the composer, and so it has been well-known as a concert piece and has been printed under Williams’ signature. Mehta Movement 3, The Little People, is almost equal to Gerhardt Movement 2. Although a different presentation from the recording from the original Williams' album, I dare to affirm that it is an arrangement by Williams himself, since it would appear in the cd John Williams Conducts The Star Wars Trilogy [1990]. Mehta Movement 4, Cantina Band, sounds more like an “improvised” arrangement. I suppose it would be difficult to ascertain Williams’ involvement in it. Mehta Movement 5, The Battle, which combines music from disperse scenes, makes me doubt: could it be a special arrangement by Williams’ himself? If it is so, it is unique to this suite, as far as I know. Gerhardt Movement 3, Here They Come!, with its special concert coda, doesn’t appear in the original album, but it would be used with an almost identical content in Williams’ own recording for the cd John Williams Conducts The Star Wars Trilogy [1990], so I assume it is an arrangement by the composer (it also appears in Varujan Kojian’s cd The Star Wars Trilogy [1983].) Gerhardt Movement 5, The Final Battle, presents a concert arrangement of themes in an order and form unique to this suite. I really would like to know if the conductor was using a music sheet by the composer, or if the arrangement should be credited to Gerhardt himself.
  3. Hello, Some time ago I made that score reductions and analysis of Yoda's Theme and The Throne Room like other scores are analyzed on FilmScoreAnalysis channel. I think that's very interesting to look and analyze some masterworks by John Williams and other composers. (New version): I'm also working on analysis of Across The Stars and I will upload it at the end of the month. If you have any ideas what to do to make my analysis better, please, tell me. 🙂 Edit: Here's Across The Stars analysis Edit 2: Here's Anakin's Theme: Edit 3: Han Solo And The Princess https://youtu.be/8lbR7n1DcKE Edit 4: The Emperor's Arrival https://youtu.be/HJXs0HP35p8 Edit 5: Leia Breaks The News Edit 6: Another Happy Landing: Edit 7: Star Of Bethlehem The Death Star Theme from Schindler's List: Ps. And if you have any ideas what score should I analyze next also please, tell me.
  4. Hello, a couple of friends from Austria have produced a small Star Wars-inspired fan-film. What the flick lacks in dialogues and dramaturgy is hopefully compensated by the excessive overuse of homicidal martial arts elements (All are passionate fencers.) Well, since John Williams unfortunately didn’t have the time, I had to step in for the music. Have fun, Dustin
  5. No idea how this slipped under the radar but I stumbled upon this article tonight. It details a 2017 AES presentation called “Bearing Witness: The Music of Star Wars, Archiving Art and Technology,” in which Dann Thompson and Leslie Ann Jones (the Skywalker Sound employees who transferred all known scoring elements for the first six Star Wars scores) discuss their efforts to track down the scoring masters, what elements were located, how they archived all the music, etc. This is a listing for the event. An excerpt from the article: At the bottom it says this presentation would be available to download, but I cannot find any trace of a recording: Has anyone heard of this presentation before, or happened to attend, or have more info about what was discussed? It seems they went into great detail about the elements and their condition, how they were preserved, even the different album/film mixes and John's mixing process on the prequel OSTs with Pat Sullivan. They mention the Star Wars Main Title coming from a mag source, but what about the multi-tracks? Pretty elusive information we've been speculating for decades now! Seems like a must-have for anyone curious about the status of the Star Wars recording masters (feared missing or lost), but I cannot find any trace of where to access or watch this presentation. Anyone have any clues?
  6. So, apparently someone leaked 4 themes from the soundtrack of the incoming game Star Wars Squadrons. Haven't listened to it since has been already removed, but we have the names. An intro for both the Rebels and the Imperiales, and two others called "Kickoff Base" and "Frigate Attack High". If anyone listened to it and wants to share their thoughts, let us now! Also, someone in comments said Haab is the composer. Not sure if that has been confirmed but good to know if true. Source:
  7. Of all the action music Williams wrote for Star Wars, one of my very favorite cues is Here They Come from A New Hope: It's a fast paced, energetic cue brilliantly performed by the LSO and it fits the movie very well. Also, I think this cue encapsulates the very spirit of Star Wars: the Rebels' daring escapades from the Empire, the sense of adventure and fun, the sheer spectacle of it... It's Star Wars at its best. I also really like the Here They Come version from The Last Jedi: What about you? Post your favorite performances of Here They Come!
  8. Thanks to @Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) we now have the complete cue list: End Credit Rose's Turn End Credit Part 3 Rev End Credit Part 4 Opening 0m1 Tossing the Sabre 0m1 Insert Rey Looks Back 0m1 Rev Tossing the Sabre 0m2 Thought Connection 0m2A The Cave Scene 0m2A Insert Place to Place 0m3 Learning the Force 0m3 Insert Learning the Force 0m4 Rey + Luke 0m5 Fathiers 0m5 Fathiers (with fixes) 0m6 Fathiers Charge! 0m7 Crashing the Party 0m8 Saying Goodbye to Fathier 1m2 Finn Wakes Up 1m2A [No Title] 1m2A fix Son of Starry Night 1m3 Welcome Poe and Hux 1m3 Insert David and Goliath 1m4 He's Insane 1m5 Resistance Force 1m6 We Can Do This 1m6 Insert Theme In 1m7 Fighter Down 1m8 We Lose Girl Ace 1m9 Revisiting Snoke 2m10 We Need Your Help 2m12 We Need A New Base 2m13 Prep for Battle 2m14 Leia Saved! 2m14 fix Leia Saved! 2m16 Luke's Breakfast 2m17 Old Books 2m18 Admiral Holdo 2m18A Holdo's Secret Plan 2m19 Rose Catches Finn 3m20 Luke in the Falcon 3m20 Insert Watch The Language 3m20 Insert 2 [No Title] 3m21 Rose Appears 3m22 Fun with Rose and Finn 3m22 Rev [No Title] 3m24 [No Title] 3m25 Sun Shot 3m28 Rey Awakens 3m29 Lady Officer and Poe Conspire 4m30 The Connection 4m31A Worst People in the Universe 4m31B Party Music 4m31B (add) More Party Music 4m31C R.T. Shore 4m32 Rose's Fathiers 4m32 Insert Finding the Code Breaker 4m32 Insert 2 [No Title] 4m33 Rey's Training 4m33 Rey's Practise 4m33 Rev Rey's Training 4m36 Luke and Rey 4m37 Place in the World 4m37 Insert Six Hours Left 4m38 Codebreaker…Thief 5m43 Saving Leia 5m44 Encounter Before the Dream 5m45 Mirror Scene 5m46 You're Not Alone 5m46 Insert You're Not Alone 5m46 Insert 2 Touch 5m47 Young Ren Is Awakened 5m48 Yoda Appears 5m48 Insert [No Title] 6m50 Not Enough 6m51 Traitor! 6m52 Eavesdropping 6m52A Mutiny 6m55 I'll Help You 6m56 Working Switches 6m56 Insert Dread 6m57 Ladies Parting 7m60 Come Closer, Child 7m61 Poe Wakes Up 7m63 Big Fights 7m63 Big Fights 7m64 Finn, Rose and Hux 7m65 Fighting Together 7m66 Join Me 7m67 Holdo's Resolve 7m67A Important Scene 7m67A Insert [No Title] 7m68 Rose and Finn Escape 7m68 After the Big Explosion 7m68A Finn Fights Phasma 7m69 Rose and Finn Escape 7m69 Insert Chrome Dome 8m70 Hux and Ren 8m71 What 'cha Got? 8m73 Troops and Plains 8m74 Mechanical Trouble 8m75 Here They Come, Again 8m76 To The Target 8m76 To The Target (w/ Insert) 8m77 Finn's Attempted Sacrifice 8m78 The Kiss 9m80 Luke & Leia Together 9m81 Rescuing Luke 9m82 Follow Him 9m85 Finale Part I 9m85 Alt Insert [No Title] 9m85 Insert [No Title] 9m85 Insert [No Title] 9m85 Insert 2 9M85 Finale Part I 9m85A Rey Looks 9m85A Luke Looks 9m85B Between Luke and the March 9m85C Island to March 9m86 Old Friends 9m87 Finale, Pt. III 9m90 End Credit Part 2 Original cue list discovered online:
  9. Which film and score is your favorite from the classic Star Wars original trilogy?
  10. Hello! This thread is to discuss the Last Jedi score as heard in the film. No spoiler tags are needed but you're welcome to use them in the early days now before it's opened wide. @Oskar has already kicked off the discussion, you can read it here, and let's continue it here!
  11. Star Wars: The Last Jedi - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album 01 Escape (7:41) 02 Ahch-To Island (2:31) 03 The Supremacy (2:00) 04 Admiral Holdo (1:02) 05 Fun With Finn And Rose (3:03) 06 Connection (1:58) 07 Lesson One (1:59) 08 Canto Bight (2:15) 09 The Master Codebreaker (1:07) 10 The Fathiers (2:20) 11 The Cave (2:02) 12 Rey's Journey (1:35) 13 A New Alliance (5:28) 14 Holdo's Resolve (2:17) 15 Chrome Dome (2:03) 16 The Battle Of Crait (7:00) 17 The Spark (4:20) 18 The Last Jedi (5:02) 19 Old Friends (1:23) 20 Finale (9:01) TOTAL TIME - 1:06:07 F.A.Q.: FYC? What's that stand for? For Your Consideration. Basically, Disney setup a website where eligible voters for the various awards that are given out around the end of the year could learn where they could attend a screening of their films, see which awards the films were pushing for, and listen to selections of the score for Best Score nominations. For the films that had score selections, they are exactly what is heard in the film, and sometimes include music not on the commercial soundtrack albums! So the music here is different than the album? Yes! Some tracks are almost the same, but the structure of the FYC program is fundamentally different; It is a selection of music from the movie exactly as it appears in the final cut of the film, even if the music used in the film was edited from Williams' original intentions. This could mean that a track might contain an Insert Williams later wrote, where the OST presented his original version; or a track might contain less music than its OST counterpart of the scene was re-edited after the recording of the music, or even a track might contain some music artificially looped or stretched if a scene got lengethened after scoring. The FYC always reflects these non-intended conforms to final picture from start to finish. Also, the FYC presentation seems to favor cues featuring original music over ones featuring a lot of returning themes, for the most part. So does the FYC contain the complete score? No; The film has somewhere around 150 minutes of music in it. The FYC is only 66 minutes long. Which tracks contain music that wasn't on the OST? Every track is different from its OST counterpart is some way, but most notably "Admiral Holdo", "The Master Codebreaker", "Rey's Journey", and "Holdo's Resolve" are COMPLETELY new tracks, while "A New Alliance" and "The Last Jedi" feature significant music in the beginning of each track that isn't on the OST. Where can I find this FYC? http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi/score I don't see a download link there; How do I download the files from Disney's site? http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/01_ESCAPE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/02_AHCH-TO_ISLAND.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/03_THE_SUPREMACY.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/04_ADMIRAL_HOLDO.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/05_FUN_WITH_FINN_AND_ROSE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/06_CONNECTION.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/07_LESSON_ONE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/08_CANTO_BIGHT.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/09_THE_MASTER_CODEBREAKER.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/10_THE_FATHIERS.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/11_THE_CAVE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/12_REYS_JOURNEY.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/13_A_NEW_ALLIANCE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/14_HOLDOS_RESOLVE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/15_CHROME_DOME.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/16_THE_BATTLE_OF_CRAIT.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/17_THE_SPARK.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/18_THE_LAST_JEDI.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/19_OLD_FRIENDS.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/20_FINALE.mp3 or http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=01_ESCAPE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=02_AHCH-TO_ISLAND.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=03_THE_SUPREMACY.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=04_ADMIRAL_HOLDO.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=05_FUN_WITH_FINN_AND_ROSE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=06_CONNECTION.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=07_LESSON_ONE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=08_CANTO_BIGHT.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=09_THE_MASTER_CODEBREAKER.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=10_THE_FATHIERS.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=11_THE_CAVE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=12_REYS_JOURNEY.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=13_A_NEW_ALLIANCE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=14_HOLDOS_RESOLVE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=15_CHROME_DOME.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=16_THE_BATTLE_OF_CRAIT.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=17_THE_SPARK.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=18_THE_LAST_JEDI.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=19_OLD_FRIENDS.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=20_FINALE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=01_ESCAPE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=02_AHCH-TO_ISLAND.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=03_THE_SUPREMACY.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=04_ADMIRAL_HOLDO.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=05_FUN_WITH_FINN_AND_ROSE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=06_CONNECTION.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=07_LESSON_ONE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=08_CANTO_BIGHT.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=09_THE_MASTER_CODEBREAKER.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=10_THE_FATHIERS.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=11_THE_CAVE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=12_REYS_JOURNEY.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=13_A_NEW_ALLIANCE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=14_HOLDOS_RESOLVE.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=15_CHROME_DOME.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=16_THE_BATTLE_OF_CRAIT.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=17_THE_SPARK.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=18_THE_LAST_JEDI.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=19_OLD_FRIENDS.mp3 http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=20_FINALE.mp3 That's a really low bitrate; Is there any chance its available uncompressed somewhere? Disney should be mailing out pressed physical CDs with the FYC program to Academy music department voters sometime soon. Usually not long after that, they begin turning up on ebay, and not long after that, lossless rips appear online. NOTE: It is against the board's rules to ask for a lossless rip in the public forum. Use the PM System or go to other websites for that discussion! Posts asking for illegal downloads will be deleted! Simple Comparison FYC 01 Escape (7:41) FYC 02 Ahch-To Island (2:31)) ≈ OST 02 [1:43-end] (2:40) Ahch-To Island FYC 03 The Supremacy (2:00) ≈ OST 04 The Supremacy [0:08-2:00] (1:52) FYC 04 Admiral Holdo (1:02) = Unreleased FYC 05 Fun With Finn And Rose (3:03) [0:00-1:05] (1:05) = Unreleased [1:05-end] (1:58) ≈ OST 05 Fun With Finn And Rose [0:25-end] (2:09) FYC 06 Connection (1:58) ≈ OST 06 Old Friends [2:36-end] (1:52) FYC 07 Lesson One (1:59) ≈ OST 08 Lesson One (2:10) FYC 08 Canto Bight (2:15) ≈ OST 09 Canto Bight (2:38) FYC 09 The Master Codebreaker (1:07) = Unreleased FYC 10 The Fathiers (2:20) ≈ OST 11 The Fathiers (2:42) FYC 11 The Cave (2:02) ≈ OST 12 The Cave [0:00-1:36] (1:36) FYC 12 Rey's Journey (1:35) = Unreleased FYC 13 A New Alliance (5:28) [0:00-1:24] (1:24) = Unreleased [1:24-3:19] (1:55) ≈ OST 14 A New Alliance [0:10-1:51] (1:41) [3:19-4:00] (0:41) = Unreleased [4:00-end] (1:28) ≈ OST 14 A New Alliance [1:51-end] (1:22) FYC 14 Holdo's Resolve (2:17) = Unreleased FYC 15 Chrome Dome (2:03) ≈ OST 15 "Chrome Dome" (2:03) FYC 16 The Battle Of Crait (7:00) FYC 17 The Spark (4:20) [0:00-0:46] (0:46) = Unreleased [0:46-end] (3:34) ≈ OST 17 The Spark (3:36) FYC 18 The Last Jedi (5:02) [0:00-1:15] (1:15) = Unreleased [1:15-end] (3:47) ≈ OST 18 The Last Jedi (3:04) FYC 19 Old Friends (1:23) ≈ OST 19 Peace and Purpose [1:44-end] (1:22) FYC 20 Finale (9:01) Approx amount of unreleased music = Track-by-track breakdown / editing guide FYC 01 Escape (7:41) FYC 02 Ahch-To Island (2:31) OST equivalent: 02 Ahch-To Island [1:43-end] (2:40) This is the music for Rey asking Luke for help, and then following him on his "daily routine". The FYC features the proper clean opening as heard in the film, while on the OST, the beginning of the cue is slightly abridged, and mixed over the ending of the previous Ahch-To cue that's in the same track. However, the OST features a section of music (3:22-3:27) that is edited out of the FYC track at 1:40, meaning the film was probably slightly shortened after scoring around that area. So, to create a proper complete version, you'd want to take the cleaning opening of the FYC track, then segue over to the OST track as soon as you can and continue with the OST track all the way to the end. FYC 03 The Supremacy (2:00) OST equivalent: 04 The Supremacy [0:08-2:00] (1:52) This is The Supermacy showing up and Leia realizing they were tracked through lightspeed, and Kylo firing on their ship. The FYC from 0:25-0:30 is longer than the same OST passage (0:35-0:36), though I don't know of the OST is microedited, or if the OST is how it was recorded and they had to artificially stretch it for the final film. The FYC has a small edit around 1:14, and the OST has a small edit around 1:18 (or, the OST is the proper recording, and the FYC Is looped in that area). Finally, the FYC seems to have a loop 1:39-1:43, but then omit material around 1:53. The FYC track seems to artificially fade the final string sustain down early, but the OST segues to another cue when it ends, so we don't have a good ending anywhere. For a custom edit, I'd ignore this FYC track entirely and just use the whole Supremacy OST track. FYC 04 Admiral Holdo (1:02) OST equivalent: None - Completely new track! This is Admiral Holdo being introduced as the new leader, and her initial speech to the Resistance. FYC 05 Fun With Finn And Rose (3:03) OST equivalent: 05 Fun With Finn And Rose [0:25-end] (2:09) The OST from 0:00-0:25 contains the cue for Rose telling Finn about her sister, then realizing he's trying to escape and stuns him (it only contains the Paige story portion of the cue, though). This cue isn't on the FYC at all, so you'd need to break it out into its own track if you want to keep it (you can call it "You Are a Hero" or "That's a Real Hero". I wouldn't call it "Finn Meets Rose" though, because THAT cue comes before this one and isn't on the FYC or the OST at all). In the film, that cue segues immediately to the next cue, which covers which covers Finn and Rose coming up with their plan and telling it to Poe. This cue appears in full on the FYC track, while the OST version omits the opening minute due to it seguing from partway through the sister story cue to partway through the planning cue. So, Option 1 is to break out OST 0:00-0:25 into its own track, and then use FYC 05 for the next cue in its own track. Option 2 would be If you don't want to do WAV editing, then its a a personal preference if you rather use the OST track (Paige story opening -> incomplete planning cue) or the FYC track (no Paige story at all, but complete planning cue). FYC 06 Connection (1:58) OST equivalent: 06 Old Friends [2:36-end] (1:52) This cue covers Ren and Rey's Force connection ending because Luke has shown up, and then him taking her to their first lesson up the cliffside. The FYC provides the full proper clean opening, while the OST omits the opening 4 seconds and is segued from another cue in the same track. Otherwise they are basically the same, but the FYC might be slightly edited down in one spot, so I'd transition from the FYC's clean opening to the OST track as early as possible then just use that from there to the end. FYC 07 Lesson One (1:59) OST equivalent: 07 Lesson One (2:10) This is the music for Rose feeling The Force under Luke's training, then sensing the dark place underneath the island. The FYC and OST tracks are pretty much identical to each other, though the FYC seems to have a few edits and a loop around 1:31, so I'd ignore the FYC track and just use the OST track. FYC 08 Canto Bight (2:15) OST equivalent: 08 Canto Bight (2:38) Both tracks are roughly identical, though the FYC seems to be edited down in a bunch of spots, and fades out early instead of having the proper ending the OST track has. However, one spot on the FYC includes an intended silence that is segued past in the OST version - compare 1:11 on the FYC to 1:22 on the OST. An ideal edit would be the entire OST track, but with that section restored properly from the FYC track. FYC 09 The Master Codebreaker (1:07) OST equivalent: None - Completely new track! Rose tells Finn about growing up with Paige in a mining system the First Order took over, and how the rich people in this casino are profiting from the war, before they are interrupted by BB-8 and head into the casino to see the master codebreaker at a table. FYC 10 The Fathiers (2:20) OST equivalent: 11 The Fathiers (2:42) This FYC track is more or less the same as the OST track, just shortened in many spots (like the sequence was tightened up after the cues were recorded). I'd recommend just ignoring the FYC track and using OST track. Of note is that this is a rare case of the FYC NOT matching the film exactly; The Fathiers sequence in the film is comprised of 3 separate cues, and both the OST AND FYC track contain the 1st and 3rd cues only, completely omitting the second cue (a brief piano source cue). The end of the first cue and start of the third is at 0:56 of the OST track or 0:51 of the FYC track. FYC 11 The Cave (2:02) OST equivalent: 12 The Cave [0:00-1:36] This covers Rey in the cave seeing multiple images of herself. The FYC seems to have a proper clean ending as recorded, but the OST correctly segues to the next cue exactly as the film does anyway, so the clean ending isn't really needed except for personal preference. It's interesting to compare the FYC to OST. They are approximately the same music, but the FYC version is longer because of many differences throughout. In some spots it seems like the FYC might be artificially stretched / looped, while in others the FYC has material that the OST seems to have microedited out. It sounds fine though, so for a complete edit you could use the FYC track and just mix the rest of the OST track (1:36-end) over the clean ending the FYC has. FYC 12 Rey's Journey (1:35) OST equivalent: None - Completely new track! Rey instructs Chewie what to tell Finn if he finds him, then hops in her escape pod and heads to The Supremacy, where Kylo meets her in the landing bay. This seems to have the proper clean opening and ending as recorded, though in the film it segues from and to other unreleased cues. FYC 13 A New Alliance (5:28) OST equivalent: 14 A New Alliance [0:10-end] (3:03) The OST track opens (0:00-0:10) with the music for Rey being brought to Snoke, a cue that isn't on the FYC at all. The FYC track is a complete presentation of a long uninterrupted sequence of music from a bit later in the film, some of which is on the OST and some of which is not. FYC 0:00-1:24 (1:24) covers Snoke dropping Rey to the ground after torturing her, taunting her that he will kill Luke after they destroy the Resistance, showing her the transporters being destroyed, and bringing her in front of Kylo. This isn't on the OST at all. FYC 1:24-3:19 (1:55) covers Snoke telling Ren to kill Rey then taunting Rey some more; Kylo killing Snoke then Kylo and Rey beginning to fight the guards; and a bit of Poe on the transporters. This is on the OST from 0:10-1:51 (1:41), though the OST seems to edit out material at around 0:48, so the FYC seems to be the superior choice. FYC 3:19-4:00 (0:41) covers a bit of Finn talking to DJ and some more Rey/Ren guards fighting. This isn't on the OST at all. FYC 4:00-end (1:28) covers Rey and Ren finishing off the guards. This is on the OST from 1:51-end (1:22). There doesn't seem to be any edits in either version, which makes it easy to just use the FYC track all the way to the end. FYC 14 Holdo's Resolve (2:17) OST equivalent: None - Completely new track! This covers some space action with the Resistance cruiser preparing to jump to lightspeed, Hux ordering his men to keep firing on the transports, Phasma ordering a more painful death for Finn and Rose, and then Holdo turning the cruiser around and ramming it into the Supremacy. FYC 15 Chrome Dome (2:03) OST equivalent: 15 "Chrome Dome" (2:03) This covers the aftermath of the explosion, Finn and Rose coming out of the rubble, and Finn fighting Phasma. The FYC and OST versions are about the same, though the FYC from 0:56-1:00 is a bit longer than the equivalent OST passage (0:53-0:55), the FYC has an edit that removes material at 1:09, the FYC from 1:12-1:18 is longer than the equivalent OST passage (1:15-1:19), and the FYC is longer from 1:27-1:32 compared the OST 1:28-1:30. Overall I'd say go with the OST version, because the bit in the OST the FYC skips past is actually unique material, while all the parts where the FYC is longer are basically just sustaining bits in between the action for longer. FYC 16 The Battle Of Crait (7:00) FYC 17 The Spark (4:20) OST equivalent: 17 The Spark (3:36) The opening of the FYC track (0:00-0:46) is not included on the OST track, and begins almost immediately after The Battle of Crait in the film. It covers Rose telling Finn that love is how they'll win & kissing him, and Ren telling Hux to advance on the base. The remainder of the FYC track (0:46-end [3:34]) is basically the same as the OST track, and covers Luke arriving, talking to Leia, then marching out to face the First Order. So you can just use the entire FYC track and ignore the OST track for a complete edit. FYC 18 The Last Jedi (5:02) OST equivalent: 18 The Last Jedi (3:04) The opening of the FYC track (0:00-1:15) is an unreleased cue that covers the Resistance following the crystal critters into the caves, Rey hovering over and scanning for their location, and then both parties arriving at opposite sides of the stone-piled exit. The rest of the FYC track is roughly the same as the OST track, and covers Kylo and Luke's final showdown. The FYC track is longer though, because the OST appears to be microedited in a few spots - there's a section microedited out of the OST at 0:15 that is intact in the FYC from 1:30-1:53, then another section microedited out of the OST at 0:22 that is intact in the FYC from 2:00-2:09, and finally compare OST 1:26-1:30 to FYC 3:14-3:22 and OST 1:45-1:48 to FYC 3:38-3:44. So overall, I'd again recommend just using the entire FYC track and ignoring the OST track in a complete edit. FYC 19 Old Friends (1:23) OST equivalent: 19 Peace and Purpose [1:44-end] (1:22) The OST track from 0:00-1:44 is portion of a cue covering Luke's death and Kylo matching into the base and finding it empty. There's a whole chunk of the cue taken out around 1:28, but unfortunately the cue isn't on the FYC at all so can't be restored using it. The FYC track is only the next cue, covering the reunion of Rey & Chewie with Poe & everyone else on the Millennium Falcon, and Rey telling Leia Luke's death felt like it was full of Peace and Purpose (which makes it so odd they retitled the track for the FYC), and the ship taking off into hyperspace. There's no real difference between the two versions, so again just ignore the FYC track and use the full OST track. FYC 20 Finale (9:01) OST equivalent: 20 Finale (8:28) The first cue in this track (the Canto Bight kids telling their story and then being kicked outside) is microedited on the FYC around 0:0:06 (You can hear what was taken out from about 0:06-0:18 of the OST version). But then on the FYC, the cue is allowed to end in full, there's a brief pause, and the next cue begins at 0:24; On the OST however, this cue is crossfaded into the next one at 0:36. So its personal preference if you want to use the separation or the crossfade, but you have to make sure to use the OST track for the beginning of the cue because of the material taken out of the FYC/film version. To compare the rest of either track, I found it easiest to do it as a table, I hope you don't mind: The next cue (the sunset scene before the end credits) and then the whole beginning of the end credits up through the piano rendition of Leia's Theme is about the same on both versions. This gets us to 2:44 of the FYC or 2:56 of the OST, and then things start to differ. Both start out the same, from 2:44-3:15 of the FYC / 2:56-3:27 of the OST but covering the same arrangement of the Luke/Rey/Island theme, but the OST has a sudden edit at 3:27 skipping over what's in the FYC from 3:15-4:05; Then both are the same again from OST 3:27-3:34 / FYC 4:05-4:13. Simple FYC/OST Combo Playlist, no Editing Required 01 OST 01 Main Title and Escape (7:26) OR FYC 01 Escape (7:41) 02 OST 02 Ahch-To Island (4:23) 03 OST 03 Revisiting Snoke (3:29) 04 OST 04 The Supremacy (4:01) 05 FYC 04 Admiral Holdo (1:02) 06 FYC 05 Fun With Finn And Rose (3:03) 07 OST 06 Old Friends (4:29) 08 OST 08 Lesson One (2:10) 09 OST 09 Canto Bight (2:38) 10 FYC 09 The Master Codebreaker (1:07) 11 OST 10 Who Are You? (3:04) 12 OST 11 The Fathiers (2:42) 13 OST 12 The Cave (3:00) 14 OST 13 The Sacred Jedi Texts (3:33) 15 FYC 12 Rey's Journey (1:35) 16 FYC 13 A New Alliance (5:28) 17 FYC 14 Holdo's Resolve (2:17) 18 OST 15 "Chrome Dome" (2:03) 19 OST 16 The Battle Of Crait (6:48) OR FYC 16 The Battle Of Crait (7:00) 20 FYC 17 The Spark (4:20) 21 FYC 18 The Last Jedi (5:02) 22 OST 19 Peace And Purpose (03:08) 23 OST 20 Finale (8:28) OR FYC 20 Finale (9:01) BONUS TRACK 24 OST 07 The Rebellion Is Reborn (4:00) (Concert Arrangement) TOTAL TIME - 1:29:17 (or 1:30:17) Longer Chronological Edit of OST + FYC, In-Track Editing Required: Coming soon! FYC / OST Comparison spreadsheet Coming soon! ALL UPDATES / CORRECTIONS WELCOME!!! Admin note: Click here to jump right to discussion of the actual FYC Album, after all the hype talk ACTUAL ALBUM DISCUSSION ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Original Main Post ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hello, The Force Awakens opened (in the US) on Friday, December 18th, 2015. On Monday, December 21st, 2015, we discovered that Disney's Awards consideration side had added an album of score that could be streamed or download that was different than TFA's OST. Soon after, physical CDs pressed of the same music began showing up on ebay (as they had been mailed out to voting members of The Academy or other awards ceremonies) as well. I am hopeful Disney will do the same this year for The Last Jedi. If they do not, I will close this thread. If they do, I wanted to start the thread now to contain all information about the album like we had for TFA. I'll update this main post with all information about the FYC album if we get one!.
  12. Does ~8:00 and then again at ~8:45 and on, but most especially at ~9:15 on in "The Train" (Horner, The Legend of Zorro) sound like music for the Resistance in Star Wars: The Force Awakens? For me, I now hear those strings at ~1:00 in "Scherzo for X-Wings" as castanets!
  13. There has been a deluge of Star Wars media ever since Disney bought LFL. There was some good stuff, some bad stuff and mildling stuff. So, for you, what was the best things about SW released since the Disney purchase? Was it the movies, the new TV shows, the new games, or something else? And, for you, do you think the Disney acquisition was good for the franchise, or was it bad? Let's discuss!
  14. So I was on the BMI repertoire, just looking through John Williams' page, mainly to check for any TFA cues, when I came upon a cue I had not seen before, credited to John Williams called "Death of Ki Adi". So obviously Ki-Adi-Mundi is a character in Episode 3 that was killed during the order 66 scene. Does this mean that there was music specifically for his death, or that BMI made a mistake somehow, or there was a character in another movie with that name? I'm kind of confused right now. Take a look for yourself; it's on page 11... http://repertoire.bmi.com/PublisherCatalog.asp?fromrow=251&torow=275&keyname=BANTHA%20MUSIC&querytype=PUBWORKS&keyid=17754&page=11&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&affiliation=&cae=&term= EDIT: On a side, note, the only cue we don't have from TFA that I could find was a cue called "Bring Her to Me". Not sure if it's referring to the film mix, or an unused cue.
  15. Gareth Edwards, of recent Godzilla fame, to direct one of the Star Wars spinoff movies.
  16. Hello fellow John Williams and Star Wars fans alike! Was wondering if anyone would be in possession of (and if so, willing to sell) the following programme from John Williams’ live concert performance at the Royal Albert Hall in 1978? Thank you in advance! May The Force Be With You!
  17. The new tv spot from the preview. There is a musical theme in it I have not heard previously. I have no clue anymore as to the composer. Admin note: The poll was added by me, not by Tom!Admin note 2: Click here to read the confirmation that it was Williams
  18. Not sure if this has been done yet. This could get messy. I imagine it might be divided along generational lines (aka in what era of Star Wars you became a fan) But vote for your favorite score out of the first films in each trilogy:) what’s your favorite?
  19. Two of the maestros classic “trilogies” head to head. Created in practically the same decade (later sequels not included of course) Of each entry which do you/would you rather LISTEN to?
  20. Do you think if Indy 4 had been more successful film (regardless of how much money it grossed) would its score be as highly regarded as The Force Awakens is today (in the soundtrack listening community). I suppose I’m injecting personal bias here. I find the two films/scores comparable as they were both long awaited sequels to popular franchises with sky-high expectations for both the films and scores. For my money Indy 4 is a fun score, but tainted by my disappointment in the film and nowhere as entertaining score-wise as the previous entries. But Force Awakens is a score I grow to love more and more with each listen. I guess it begs the question, are you able to listen and enjoy a score and completely divorce it from its film?
  21. Hi everyone one. I figured my first post should be something of substance. This is my fan-made concept album inspired by the Colin Trevorrow's rejected script for Star Wars Episode 9 entitled "Duel of the Fates". The bulk of the score utilizes John Williams' work for Rise of Skywalker only edited and arranged differently to better suit the plot of Trevorrow's story. (I know it’s blasphemous to chop up & rearrange Williams work. Especially after it was butchered in the final edit of RoS. Just consider this a sonic "fan edit" and an experiment to see if a different story could be told with the same music) Additionally, I also incorporated themes and moments from the prior two sequel scores and a sprinkling of the prequels as the script called for. I attempted to make the quotes from other films as seamless and organic as possible without getting too “fan-service-y”. But you may think otherwise. But come on. This was supposed to be the culmination of the entire saga for crying out loud;) Some edits aren’t perfect. But it gets the idea across. I should note there’s about 3 or so tracks that weren’t edited at all because the fit the scene so perfectly (in my mind at least) I’ve uploaded the first 10 tracks (out of 26 total) and will have more up shortly. It just takes a bit to export and upload these videos (The videos are kinda lame btw. Just focus on the music. But the concept art is nice at least). Side note: I attempted to just upload it all to SoundCloud but it kept flagging it for copyright. If anyone knows a workaround for that I’d give it another shot. I have it unlisted here on YouTube. Let me know if it’s not showing up/working. I’ll also go back at some point and add track summary/explanations in the description section. In reading the script it’s interesting how many beats were lifted and used in RoS yet (IMHO) they didn’t quite work as well. The script can be easily found with a simple online search. I recommend reading it or one of the many online summaries of it before listening as it's 1) a fantastic continuation of the stories episodes 7 and 8 set up and 2) helpful in understanding the editing choices I made and envisioning this untold story via John William's amazing scores. If you don't consider this a colossal waste of time and energy, I hope you enjoy it!
  22. Admin note: For earlier news before JJ Abrams was signed, see Disney buys Lucasfilm and all subsidiaries for $4.05billion, will release Star Wars Episode VII in 2015 J.J. Abrams is directing Episode VII So at least we know who's scoring it then. Karol
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