Director 1 Posted May 30, 2002 Author Share Posted May 30, 2002 I would have to say 1 of these 3;Silvestri - Mummy Returns really showed what he is capable of. Massive orchestra with good orchestrations and major themes. Love him.JN Howard - again..love him. Dinosaur, Atlantis then onto Devils Advocate etc. Very versitile and can do small, intimate scores then onto large scale scores (like Silvestri). Great hummible themes too,Broughton- why doesn't he work more?!?! Yes, Lost in Space is FANTASTIC! Everyone chant "Broughton needs more work"These 3 have the talent, the diversity, and just plain know how to compose great movie scores that WORK for the film.Jamesyboy -who also likes pretty much all the others mentioned, but besides Williams, always has a disc or two of one of those above 3 in his CD bag. Director - loving the above post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Yes, why not Bruce Broughton. Anyone who has heard his score for "Rescuers Down Under" or "Lost In Space" knows what he is capable of . TRDU is, in fact, the most memorable film score I´ve ever heard outside John Williams.He really needs more work - he is underestimated. Other composers that could very well be the next John Williams are : John Debney - remember "Cutthroat Island " and his recent "Scorpion King"??Then you know what he is capable of. David Arnold - he`s wasting much of his time on low-budget scores but when he is given the chance, he is really fantastic (like ID4 and Stargate)James Newton-Howard - a very diverse composer, but his recent scores "Atlantis" and "Dinosaur" outclasses most film music of the 21st Century. Klaus Badelt - his score for "The Time Machine" is reminiscent of Indiana Jones, and he is capturing the right rhytms to become a new Williams!Basil Poledouris - has developed much of an own style, but if you`ve heard "Conan" and "The Jungle Book" you know what he is capable of. In fact, I long thought John Williams had scored "The Jungle Book" until I noticed Poledouris names in the main title sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Hmm, Broughton. He's one of the best around today, but I don't see him as the next master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 David Arnold - he`s wasting much of his time on low-budget scores but when he is given the chance, he is really fantastic (like ID4 and Stargate)Perhaps he should have been chosen for Harry Potter help. Maybe he should do JP4 if there will be one and JW will not be doing the music.~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Perhaps we don't know the answer to this, but from discussions I have had with some members, and a clip from a movie I saw, seems this new Santa Klaus guy could be the next Jerry And by the way, I hope Cliff Eidelman associates himself with at least a couple of movies every other year as he becomes one of the most important composers of the future. Williams Jaws (Film Score)Royal Scottish National OrchestraJoel McNeely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Geez, you are really digging them up, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 There is no "Next Williams",we are only fortunate that we were born in the same century that He livesK.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 And the same century as Internet, and toilets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Non of the above will reach the same status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 30 years ago, did people consider John Williams to be the new Miklos Rosza? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Yes, as soon as he started to do symphonic scores people knew this wasn't your average Joe in the street. The composers in the list aren't sending any similar vibes of being destined for greatness. I'm sorry for the soundtrack loving world. ----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 In the 60's when people were wondering who the next generations # 1 composer of big orchestral scores was gonna be, they were not thinking it was gonna be Johnny (Guide For The Married Man, How to Steal a Million and Gidget Goes to Rome) Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 That's exactly why I said the things I said in my previous post. BTW, thirty years ago was not the 60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 And another thing. Are you suggesting that Zimmer just needs a few more Gladiators to practice or to developed his talent before he achieves greatness? LOL ... ... .... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 In the 60's when people were wondering who the next generations # 1 composer of big orchestral scores was gonna be, they were not thinking it was gonna be Johnny (Guide For The Married Man, How to Steal a Million and Gidget Goes to Rome) Williams.nobody wondered this because film music's popularity was virtually nil.there was no internet, so all of us fan boys didn't exist. people didn't sit around speculating. They actually had LIVES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Is that true, was there ANY kind of film music community at that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 I've often compared Mike Giacchino on here to JW, but I mean in terms of composing style. I am not trying to compare Mike's work to John's. At least ..... not yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Please keep Giacchino topics to the assigned thread.Justin - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Please keep Giacchino topics to the assigned thread.Justin - Well I just brought it up in here, because people had mentioned about me making that comment and I wanted to clarffy is all. IMO NO ONE in Hollywood is ANYWHERE close to being the next Williams. I don't even know if I will see anyone on that level again in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miz 139 Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Has anyone ever encountered an expanded (or full) version of Broughton's Lost in Space? It was my first film score 6 years ago, and relistening to the short album I have has made me realise how good his work is. I crave more. Can anyone help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Please keep Giacchino topics to the assigned thread.Justin - Well I just brought it up in here, because people had mentioned about me making that comment and I wanted to clarffy is all. IMO NO ONE in Hollywood is ANYWHERE close to being the next Williams. I don't even know if I will see anyone on that level again in my lifetime.That's better. For a minute I thought we were losing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 Dan - who thinks Bruce Broughton has the closest style to Williams, along with Silvestri. Broughton's actually an incredibly cool cross between Goldsmith and Williams, I think. Anyone heard the full score to Lost In Space?? Wow....I only heard The Robot Attack and it was the first time in my life I misjudged a piece as written by Williams while it wasn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 That does bring up a good point though. Will we ever see someone in our lifetime's with a legacy equal to that of JW? Doubtful to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 Yes, a better question would probably have been "Who will be the next #1 in-demand film composer." I wonder . . . Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 The son of Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 That does bring up a good point though. Will we ever see someone in our lifetime's with a legacy equal to that of JW? Doubtful to say the least.That would be Mr. Jerry Goldsmith.Justin - Not kidding in any manner whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 That does bring up a good point though. Will we ever see someone in our lifetime's with a legacy equal to that of JW? Doubtful to say the least.That would be Mr. Jerry Goldsmith.Among film music afficionados, probably so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Definatly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Well, he certainly is as close as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 He is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 In my eyes, his legacy is less than JW's (as is with every other film composer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Jerry Goldsmith had been VERY influential in the several decades that he's been working.Perhaps you won't hear a muzak version of Planet Of The Apes in elevators, but his style has inspired many of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 I don't concider muzak to be a big factor of someone's legacy. I guess we define legacy differently, but for me, it's first and foremost body of work, and I believe John Williams is ahead of everybody in that field. I think Goldsmith probably had more influence on current film scoring, but I don't know what the means on a grand scale as the majority of current film scoring isn't very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Right now Zimmer's legacy on film and TV scoring is a lot bigger then Williams ever was, but unfortunatly that's mostly a negative influence.What exactly has Williams brought to film music that was not already there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Williams is a great composer and has written plenty of memorable film scores, but a touch of genious for him was to obtain the conducting post for an orchestra, but not just any orchestra, but the Boston Pops, one of the most famous orchestra, and in the time Williams joined, it had television coverage. Now that was genious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Indeed, that's probably what helped him become a "household name" more then anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 In fact, I've often said it that one of the current composers should get a music director post at an orchestra, I think Cliff Eidelman has been conducting but I don't know if he's in a particular orchestra. Also Horner could take a break from composing, conduct and he'll be back fresher than ever, but that's another subject altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Right now Zimmer's legacy on film and TV scoring is a lot bigger then Williams ever was, but unfortunatly that's mostly a negative influence.What exactly has Williams brought to film music that was not already there? I think no more or less than Goldsmith, save writing amazing music to popular films, which made film music popular again. Goldsmith may have contributed, but he never had a knock out punch like Star Wars, Raiders or E.T. (I'm not talking quality wise, just on bringing film music to a much wider view). I think with out the Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and E.T. scores, film music would have a small percentige of the exposure it has now. I think that if you take Goldsmith's entire body of work out of the picture, film music would, at least looking in, look the same. And I could go into that forever- but that's more of a discussion of the effects of film music on the way movies are today. But when it comes down to it, Horner has had a much larger part in popularising orchestral film music than Goldsmith. Most of the public has no idea who Goldmisth is, and if you played them some of his best music, they'd know a tiny percentige of it. Only recently have I really come to appreciate Goldsmith, and I've been collecting for years. I also think that comes back to Goldsmith's filmography- the vast majority of his films range from ok to forgettable to bad, and that's why he never had the exposure and IMO missed out on a lot of the opportunities Williams had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Korngold made mostly bad films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 But his best scores- Robin Hood, The Sea Hawk, Kings Row, Captain Blood, Elizabeth and Essex, are for his best films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 So...he did only 5 GREAT scores?Hell, i can sum up 10 GREAT scores by Goldsmith without searching my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Not sure where you got that from, I could also easily come up with a dozen great Goldsmith scores. But he has been involved with very few great movies, and most of those have not had great scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Korngold has also been associated with very few good films, nevertheless he's consider the grand daddy of film music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 I think no more or less than Goldsmith, save writing amazing music to popular films, which made film music popular again. Goldsmith may have contributed, but he never had a knock out punch like Star Wars, Raiders or E.T. Or the two notes from Jaws, the five notes in CE3K,....the celesta in Harry Potter,.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Great Goldsmith filmsPattonPlanet Of The ApesChinatownPapillonOmen, The First Great Train Robbery(maybe)AlienPoltergeist GremlinsTotal Recall Basic Instinct L.A. Confidential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Goldsmith is a terrific film composer who like nobody else understands what he is doing. Like Williams he's a living Legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Great Goldsmith filmsPattonPlanet Of The ApesChinatownPapillonOmen, The First Great Train Robbery(maybe)AlienPoltergeist GremlinsTotal Recall Basic Instinct L.A. Confidential Great Goldsmith films: Patton Planet of the Apes L.A. Confidential Alien Chinatown Arguably Great Goldsmith films: Great Train Robbery, The Papillon I don't think he's been part of any other great films, and IMO only Patton had a truely great score, as in one of Goldsmith's best. And most of his best scores are obviously not represented. Morlock- who feels uncomfortable that he has to repeatidly say seemingly negative stuff about goldsmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Excuse me, i don't wanna dis your personal opinion, but generrally in the film score community the scores from:Planet of the Apes AlienBasic InstinctThe OmenPoltergeistAre considered genuine classics.And that's not including his brilliant scores for lesser films, TMP for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 The Omen and Potergeist are great, but I concider neither even nearly great films. I don't know Basic Instinct, but don't think the film is great, and I respectfully disagree with the films scoring community about PoTA. And I think I've made it clear that he's done many great scores for lesser films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Planet Of The Apes IS a brilliant score, you just lack what it takes to appriciate it.And it's a well known fact that Williams tends to score films that are held in higher regard then Goldsmith.But i think Goldsmith's style of scoring, especially in the 70's and 80's was more innovative, and has influenced many composrrs of the new generation.Especially his action writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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