#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 Indy's father is Scottish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 It equates Indiana Jones with America.Indiana Jones should be equated with America. That's what he is. An American hero. He very much represents American spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 I never thought so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 Oh boy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 It equates Indiana Jones with America.Indiana Jones should be equated with America. That's what he is. An American hero. He very much represents American spirit.He's an Indiana hero in Temple of Doom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 He's an Indian hero in Temple of Doom.Yeah, but his whole reasoning is "fortune and glory." A very American type of idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 To me Indiana Jones is never a "hero" in the pure sence of the world...he's kind of a shady tomb raider,a thief who acts heroically ,not in the same patriotic hero league as Superman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 He's Humphry Bogart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 It equates Indiana Jones with America.Indiana Jones should be equated with America. That's what he is. An American hero. He very much represents American spirit.I can imagine people to see Indiana Jones as a hero for everyone. Pointing out that he is American would be a bit like claiming him as a national hero, which wouldn't be 'fair' to other nation's fans who like him as much as Americans do. Maybe it means the American spirit of fortune, glory and heroism isn't only restricted to America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 In Dungeons and Dragons terms he's Chaotic Good ,not Lawful Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 It equates Indiana Jones with America.Indiana Jones should be equated with America. That's what he is. An American hero. He very much represents American spirit.Not true. He might be from America and fights American villains (except TOD) he is not all-American. He's the cowboy, the guy who only seems to care only about himself. He does not embody USA, Superman does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Now I would have said that Superman typifies America a lot less than Indy, but whatever. Just opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 I never thought so.Me neither. To an American I can see why that might be the case, but Indiana Jones has universal appeal. He's an archetypal hero who just happens to originate from America. That doesn't necessarily make him a patriot, though the MPAA would clearly like everyone to think he is.The fact that Indiana Jones himself is probably as patriotic as they come bares no semblance to the target audience of an Indiana Jones movie, therefore any patriotic imagery feels awkward, out of place and ultimately forced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Without looking it up I can't remember when Alaska and Hawaii were added as states.1959That can't be right....in 1941, USA joined World War II because of the bombing in Pearl Harbor, which is in Hawaii. Not sure about Alaska, but Hawaii must have been added earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Hawaii was a US territory in 1941, but it wasn't a state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 As per request, some other trailer edits:The original one I did using "Reunion and the Dig Begins."http://chuckmcknight.com/random/WhatTheTra...uldHaveBeen.zipUsing "The Map Room: Dawn."http://chuckmcknight.com/random/traileredit2.zipUsing "The Penitent Man Will Pass."http://chuckmcknight.com/random/traileredit3.zipAny other "better" cues while I'm at it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Pointing out that he is American would be a bit like claiming him as a national hero, which wouldn't be 'fair' to other nation's fans who like him as much as Americans do.Since when has America been about being fair? This is capitalism, b*tch! Only the strong survive, dog! This ain't no sissy socialism shizzle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Why didn't they replace the guns with walkie-talkies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 It equates Indiana Jones with America.Indiana Jones should be equated with America. That's what he is. An American hero. He very much represents American spirit.Not true. He might be from America and fights American villains (except TOD) he is not all-American. He's the cowboy, the guy who only seems to care only about himself. He does not embody USA, Superman does.Not anymore. Apparently now Superman only embodies Truth, Justice, and 'All That Stuff', despite practically wearing the American flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 There's something about Indy's new costume. They have copied almost every detail of the costume from the previous films, however the trousers are substantially different. They're much wider than the old ones, which really makes for a different image. Older, I think. Which is probably intentionally.It's for his incontinence pads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Hawaii was a US territory in 1941, but it wasn't a state.Oh, okay.There are a lot of cues that would have worked better than what was used. The Raiders March was employed for nostalgic reasons, but as musical accompaniment to this trailer, it's horrendous.TedI think it fit the trailer perfectly. The whole idea was that Indy's back, and it's just going to be fun and exciting and actionpacked.Well, I'm guessing it was "g--d---", but the point is, yet another edit.They didn't edit out Indy's "Damn, I thought that was closer!"indy4 - who's staying out of this flag debate, because he really doesn't care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Why didn't they replace the guns with walkie-talkies?It's better then replacing them with nothing. Then again, maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Haha, perhaps.As to the flag, it's only present in the US version of a trailer. Why? It's not like it was added at the last moment and there wasn't time to incorporate it into the international version. In the digital age, you can do that. Thus, it seems the only reason the flag is present is to stir up patriotism. Why is that bothersome? Well, imagine if an American flag was plastered over a trailer for, say, As Good As It Gets. Yes, Jack Nicholson is American, but the presence of the flag doesn't contribute much to the film's image! In fact, it would be inappropriate, as it is in the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull trailer. It equates Indiana Jones with America. It implies that pop icons and fictional stories symbolize our nation and that we are being patriotic by watching a movie. I find this vaguely offensive.So, you see? I'm a patriot after all, and I only needed a ridiculously long-winded and overstated explanation to prove it.Thanks for the explanation. I don't agree at all and think you're reading too much into it, but I wanted to know where you were coming from and I understand. It also draws more attention to the fact that Indy's being held at gunpoint by US troops as opposed to Soviets, something I wouldn't have expected. The removal of the guns is way more offensive that the flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 In Dungeons and Dragons terms he's Chaotic Good ,not Lawful Good. That was great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 I like this teaser. With or without the flag and/or MV theme playing over it (which are completely irrelevant to me).Karol, who only hopes to have a good time on May 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 The removal of the guns is way more offensive that the flag.Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 I dont know if i understand it well...the MPAA forced them to be removed becuase they were somewhat offensive?Or there was any other reason?I suppose this will affect only the trailer (rated all audiences) and not the movie (PG or higher, i hope) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Trailer in . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax 0 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Haha, the best trailer in years!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 That trailer is better than the official one.Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 New and better pics of the Indy IV LEGO setsBe warned, though, they might be consided spoilerish:http://toyfair08.asmzine.com/gallery/lego/...ones/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 There's gonna be some fun in the jungle.Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 Trailer in .Now that was awesome.- Marc, who found the flag debate... pointless. Moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Get real - the proper trailer is easily better than the 'old skool' one. Get those rose tinted glasses off your eyes and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Abrasive much?The official trailer is a hodgepodge of trailer aesthetics. Ultimately its attempt to bridge styles both new and old result in a very jarring two minutes, if you ask me. At least the "old school" trailer is consistent. Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 As far as fan trailers go, that was pretty sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 The removal of the guns in the US trailer seems to me to be a way of trying to not offend US citizens, because it seems Indiana Jones is being captured by what appears to be US soldiers. Perhaps there's US citizens who wouldn't want to see Indy IV if they think the US are portrayed as "bad" in any way, so US soldiers capturing Indy and being hostile to him OR Indy giving US soldiers a reason to capture him might be considered offensive by some. I personally hope there are no REAL US citizens who are so overly patriottic to have a problem with such a thing though. Especially considering the fact that there'll be a good and perfectly reasonable reason for it in the final film. It appears to me the US soldiers are Russians in disguise. The removal/addition of the US flag to the trailer might have a similar reasoning behind it. Whatever the case: I think it is over-the-top and was not necessary whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 nice LEGO sets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Get real - the proper trailer is easily better than the 'old skool' one. Get those rose tinted glasses off your eyes and move on.Abrasive much?Abrasive is a million miles away from my intent. Put a positive smilie of some sort at the end of my comment and see how its tone changes. I'm not a fan of smilies, indeed I only use them when I may offend without them. Apparently I recently did just that. As far as fan trailers go, that was pretty sweet.Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Abrasive much?The official trailer is a hodgepodge of trailer aesthetics. Ultimately its attempt to bridge styles both new and old result in a very jarring two minutes, if you ask me. At least the "old school" trailer is consistent. Ted Yet it totally failed at getting me the least bit excited about the film. The trailer felt 'dead', lacking any real excitment. I'm not defending the actual one...but this one did nothing for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 The fan trailer feels much more cohesive, and the way it is edited you would think the movie actually was made twenty years ago.However, as Morlock said, it's not very exciting. Maybe I'm a sucker for sensationalist tricks, but I prefer the official trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 The fan trailer feels much more cohesive, and the way it is edited you would think the movie actually was made twenty years ago.However, as Morlock said, it's not very exciting. Maybe I'm a sucker for sensationalist tricks, but I prefer the official trailer.I agree with every word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Trailer in .Now that was awesome.- Marc, who found the flag debate... pointless. Moving on.Yes and yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdaid72000 0 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Check this out: Indiana Jones IV/Master Card Is the commercial showing yet. What do you think of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Look fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Uh you do realize that commercial was a fake and fan made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 yes..i do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I was talking to Mcdaid but you posted before I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Check this out: Indiana Jones IV/Master Card Is the commercial showing yet. What do you think of it? That was great.indy4 - worried that that'll be him on May 21st, 11:59 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Oh man...it's been so long since any Indy films that we've been sheltered from insane Indy fanboys. Are we about to see nerds dressed up with whips and fedoras, insteas of lightsabers or magic wands, crowding theatres on opening night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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