ELEVEN brand new clips of Superman Returns online *SPOILERS*

[Quintus 5,391]

http://www.iesb.net/warnerbros2006/061306.php

Early word on this is very positive. I'm getting hyped again. But I mustn't! I must fight it. I remember what happened with War of the Worlds.

[BurgaFlippinMan 7]

I'm suddenly beginning to wonder wehther Supes will get to shoot lasers from his eyes in this one.

[Quintus 5,391]

Nah, I'd rather see him throw that weird globular "S" net over the villains.

[Ollie 859]

Nah, I'd rather see him throw that weird globular "S" net over the villains.

Yeah that was impressive........

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

It seems Lois in not a widow...yet?

[Quintus 5,391]

Nah, I'd rather see him throw that weird globular "S" net over the villains.

Yeah that was impressive........

Actually I would call it shit.

[Ollie 859]

[tpigeon 3]

http://www.iesb.net/warnerbros2006/061306.php

Early word on this is very positive. I'm getting hyped again. But I mustn't! I must fight it. I remember what happened with War of the Worlds.

War of the Worlds is a great film.

Ted

[AC1 3,565]

http://www.iesb.net/warnerbros2006/061306.php

Early word on this is very positive. I'm getting hyped again. But I mustn't! I must fight it. I remember what happened with War of the Worlds.

War of the Worlds is a great film.

I believe it's one of Spielberg's worst. In fact, the film made me lose my interest in him as a director.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Then you really don't know anything about film.

[John Crichton 4]

War of the Worlds is nowhere near great, but certainly not awful either. I like it more than, say, AI, another decent-but-not-great Spielberg entry.

John- resisting the urge to watch the clips or listen to the score samples

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

I find AI to be a very good Spielberg effort. And one of my favourite movies from him.

I think it all depends on Personal opinions...

[Quintus 5,391]

Don't get me wrong guys, I quite like WOTW now, after a second viewing. Its a flawed but solid film. Entertaining with some excellent moments. And some very bad screenplay decisions.

Its just that I hyped myself into the stratosphere pre-release. I was expecting the sci-fi film to end all others (seeing as it was Spielberg) - Saving Private Ryan with aliens. At least that how I expected the action to play out, foolishley judging by the trailers.

What I got was something different entirely. A truly amazing setup followed by a lacklustre second half.

But on repeated viewing I can enjoy it for what it is: A very good alien invasion movie. But ID4 is the more fun of the two.

[John Crichton 4]

The main problem with WotW is that the whole thing comes to a grinding halt in the basement, just at the point that it should be getting some serious steam.

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

The aliens searching the basement also felt like a shameless recycling of Jurassic Park's kitchen scene.

[nightscape94 965]

Why would anyone want to watch 11 clips of Superman Returns? Wouldn' that hinder your movie-going experience when you finally get to the theater?

Tim

[Ollie 859]

No.

[Morlock 9]

Spielberg's latest films, while not causing me to lose interest, have certainly diminished my confidence in his judgement. And I liked them all to a certain extent. I think AI is Spielberg's last entirely great film (it's not perfect, but it works from the very begining to the very end, the lapses being few and far between).

[Quintus 5,391]

Why would anyone want to watch 11 clips of Superman Returns?  Wouldn' that hinder your movie-going experience when you finally get to the theater?

Tim

Watch these clips in the toilet, if you can. For some reason I've always found fourthcoming movie clips less spoilsome, in the toilet.

[Morlock 9]

What an odd comment.

[Quintus 5,391]

What an odd comment.

What can I say, I'm rich. Like Hooper.

[nightscape94 965]

Spielberg's latest films, while not causing me to lose interest, have certainly diminished my confidence in his judgement. And I liked them all to a certain extent. I think AI is Spielberg's last entirely great film (it's not perfect, but it works from the very begining to the very end, the lapses being few and far between).

I have to disagree with you. You are right, that it is not perfect, but I don't think it works from beginning to end, or at least it didn't with me. The movie is 3 movies in one, the first two being the most interesting, but the first being the best. There is a sense of wonder and mystery lurking in the corners, like something is not quite right. The second half explores the world, which I found fascinating, but not quite as interesting as the characters explored in the beginning, especially Monica. The art design of the city, and the commentary on human nature is nice, but {SPOILERS}.......................................................................................................after David finds out that he is not necessarily unique, and as the Doctor says "the first of a kind", the story really has nowhere else to go. The last segment is so different from what has come before that it disrupts the flow. I actually groaned in the theater during the pseudo "2001: A Space Odyssey" scene where the new robots are viewing him. Kubrick had it right the first time by not showing this, and let the audience assume it. Once David jumps from the building into the ocean, the story is dead in the water (you'll excuse the horrible pun). The ending felt silly. I feel that Monica was the best character in the movie and the most interesting, and the movie works around her. I honestly didn't care much for David, as he is not real.

Tim

[tpigeon 3]

I honestly didn't care much for David' date=' as he is not real.

Tim[/quote']

Therein lies my interest in the movie.

Ted

[Quintus 5,391]

I honestly didn't care much for David, as he is not real.

Tim

Therein lies my interest in the movie.

Ted

Bang on target.

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

I agree with Tim. Except that a character not being real didn't mean I didn't care. Still, I found my interest more drawne to both Gigolo Joe and even Teddy than to David.

[GoodMusician 53]

yay... the flower duet!

[nightscape94 965]

Monica had real issues, David did not. Therefore, my interest is with Monica.

Tim

[Morlock 9]

I felt Monica was tool of a character, one not terribley detailed in the film (and appropriately so, as I will explain below). I mean, she's just very human, nothing amazingly unique or (IMO) particularly interesting about her.

I honestly didn't care much for David, as he is not real.

Tim

[WARNING: FULL OF SPOILERS OF ALL SHAPES AND SIZES!]

The point is, of course, that David is not real. But we know he is not real, and we recognize what is real and what is simulated. Therein lies the point of movie, in my eyes. This entire movie is told by Ben Kingsley, uber-mecha, sometime after the last scene of the film. Hence his narration of the opening of the film. He is telling this entire tale as a bed time story to his kids, or something of the sort.

He starts, by setting the stage 'those unwise humans killed off their envirement....and then one day, the mecha was born. The perfect mecha. The humans feared and mistrusted our ancestors, because of their perfection.'

'David (our scion) tried to fit in, but he was rejected and cruely abandonded.'

This extends to the Fleshfair sequence. Within the story, it is portrayed as a cruel and savage practice, controlled by stupid, evil person (Brendan Gleeson). But from a human point of view- Gleeson is picking up the trash. throwing away old machinery. It may be a bit morbid, but the actions of hte flesh fair are celebrating life, rejecting modern technology, it's as human as it gets.

But through Mecha eyes, this is a cruel extermination, and that's how it's presented to us.

This approach can be applied to the entire film, but most importantly, to the finale.

Through Mecha eyes, the finale is a beautiful Pinocchio ending. But really, David is selfishly disturbing Monica's peace. And that's why the film is so brilliant. By being so sentimental at the end, it is actually showing how wrong this mecha reasoning is, how this fairytale is not human-it is showing us humanity by showing the exact opposite, and how jarring that it. David thinks he found happiness. The mechas think he found happiness. But, in fact, that is all part of his microchip, to simulate love. They don't know what real love is- how could they? they are artifical.

I liked David as a toy, and felt it a bit cruel on Hobby's part to create a robot that believes it is real, when it could one day discover that it is not, but liking him beyond that is not important.

Now, this doesn't explain away a lot of the second act of the film, from the flesh-fair on, and I'm working on that. It can be thinly explained as the Specialist's attempt to beaf up David's "emotions", but that is not enough. Next time I see it, maybe I'll see how it fits in (god knows this movie has come a long way since I thought it was an unbelievably boring piece of rubbish, it now being possibly my favorite sci fi movie ever).

[AC1 3,565]

I think AI is Spielberg's last entirely great film

For me that would be Schindler's List. SPR was only partly great. Munich I have not seen yet.

[Morlock 9]

Well, I sincerely doubt Munich will make the cut for you, especially if you have serious problems with a film like SPR (a much, much, MUCH better film, and IMO, definately one of Spielberg's entirely great films, even if it took about 10 viewings to realize it).

Morlock- who has serious misgivings about a person's taste in film if they don't think SL is great (Perhaps excluding the controversial "I Could have done more" scene).

[Quintus 5,391]

Munich is a very good film, but it's not great, certainly by Spielbergs standards.

Yet it is easily still a five star film. Go figure.

[nightscape94 965]

David thinks he found happiness. The mechas think he found happiness. But, in fact, that is all part of his microchip, to simulate love. They don't know what real love is- how could they? they are artifical.

Correct. However, I don't honestly believe that Spielberg meant it this way. I think, just by way of how the movie ends, that he wants us to think that David has somehow become a real boy, because he has learned how to love for real.

This is, of course, ridiculous, as David is not real and he is not actually feeling, but merely reacting pseudo-realistically through his simulations that technicians imprinted into him.

Tim

[Morlock 9]

Munich is a very good film, but it's not great, certainly by Spielbergs standards.

Yet it is easily still a five star film. Go figure.

I don't know, I'd have to see it again to judge properly. The first time I would have given it ***1/2 out of ****, but the second time soured me on it......maybe a **1/2 out of ****.

Correct.  However, I don't honestly believe that Spielberg meant it this way.  I think, just by way of how the movie ends, that he wants us to think that David has somehow become a real boy, because he has leaned how to love for real.

This is, of course, ridiculous, as David is not real and he is not actually feeling, but merely reacting pseudo-realistically through his simulations that technicians imprinted into him.

Well, aside from a hunch I've got, the only think I've got to point to the fact that Spielberg had this in mind is Kingsley narrating the opening. It could just be a typical case of getting the serious actor who's in a couple of scenes in the film to narrate it, but the mere possibility that this is the character of the Specialist narrating, and not the actor Ben Kingsley is too rich for me to pass up. Plus, Spielberg was pretty vague when he came to the moral of the story.....is that because he has no idea, or because he wants us to figure it out for ourselves? I don't know. What I do know is, the last act of the film works perfectly in that context.

[tpigeon 3]

We have too often been coddled by Spielberg's fantasies in the past to look past the surface of A.I., his bravest film, and one of his best.

Ted

[JoeinAR 1,759]

The aliens searching the basement also felt like a shameless recycling of Jurassic Park's kitchen scene.

no, its not, you really need to learn more about film, its a homage to the original film.

Im not the moderator here, but lets talk about Superman Returns and not about Spielberg.

The film looks very good. I am hopeful that it will be a really good film.

It doesn't have to be perfect or even great. But I'd like it to be an entertaining film.

Superman is one of my alltime favorite films. It is a flawed masterpiece. But it is perfect entertainment.

I'm even more excited to know that the film opens with a young boy reading from the comic, and that the credits are much like the original film.

[BurgaFlippinMan 7]

Spielberg's latest films, while not causing me to lose interest, have certainly diminished my confidence in his judgement. And I liked them all to a certain extent. I think AI is Spielberg's last entirely great film (it's not perfect, but it works from the very begining to the very end, the lapses being few and far between).

I liked AI, except for the crappy final act which gave us a horribly tacked on golden glow ending (and ironically a very beautiful JW cue).

[JoeinAR 1,759]

I'm suddenly beginning to wonder wehther Supes will get to shoot lasers from his eyes in this one.

yes he will

[Ollie 859]

I'm hoping this film is close to pulling off what Donner's film did so wonderfully. To this day it remains the greatest super hero film made. It had heart, action, comedy, a superb cast and great music.

[Morlock 9]

Spielberg's latest films, while not causing me to lose interest, have certainly diminished my confidence in his judgement. And I liked them all to a certain extent. I think AI is Spielberg's last entirely great film (it's not perfect, but it works from the very begining to the very end, the lapses being few and far between).

I liked AI, except for the crappy final act which gave us a horribly tacked on golden glow ending (and ironically a very beautiful JW cue).

If you'll read some of the above posts, you'll see why I liked it to the very end, especially the ending.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

I'm hoping this film is close to pulling off what Donner's film did so wonderfully. To this day it remains the greatest super hero film made. It had heart, action, comedy, a superb cast and great music.

This is not having a John Williams score. It wont be the best superhero movie. It will be the 2nd one, for using some of his themes

[Elmo Lewis 6]

Well, I sincerely doubt Munich will make the cut for you, especially if you have serious problems with a film like SPR (a much, much, MUCH better film, and IMO, definately one of Spielberg's entirely great films, even if it took about 10 viewings to realize it).

Does that 10th viewing coincide chronologically wit your entry in the army?

[John Crichton 4]

I'm hoping this film is close to pulling off what Donner's film did so wonderfully. To this day it remains the greatest super hero film made. It had heart, action, comedy, a superb cast and great music.

That's why I'm looking forward to this so much, when it's a genre I could really care less about. Donner's original is something really special.

[BurgaFlippinMan 7]

Spielberg's latest films, while not causing me to lose interest, have certainly diminished my confidence in his judgement. And I liked them all to a certain extent. I think AI is Spielberg's last entirely great film (it's not perfect, but it works from the very begining to the very end, the lapses being few and far between).

I liked AI, except for the crappy final act which gave us a horribly tacked on golden glow ending (and ironically a very beautiful JW cue).

If you'll read some of the above posts, you'll see why I liked it to the very end, especially the ending.

To me it felt like Spielberg finally couldnt control himself anymore. *Spoiler* Besides, what kind of advanced alien civilisation cant clone a human being which doesnt live for more than 1 day?

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Spielberg's latest films, while not causing me to lose interest, have certainly diminished my confidence in his judgement. And I liked them all to a certain extent. I think AI is Spielberg's last entirely great film (it's not perfect, but it works from the very begining to the very end, the lapses being few and far between).

I liked AI, except for the crappy final act which gave us a horribly tacked on golden glow ending (and ironically a very beautiful JW cue).

If you'll read some of the above posts, you'll see why I liked it to the very end, especially the ending.

To me it felt like Spielberg finally couldnt control himself anymore. *Spoiler* Besides, what kind of advanced alien civilisation cant clone a human being which doesnt live for more than 1 day?

I also thought they were aliens in my 1st viewing.

But they are supermecha.

Anyway noone has cloned a person out of some 2000 years old hair. So we dont know if it would last more or not.

You should be more skeptical about the clone having the memories of the original....

[JoeinAR 1,759]

lets quit talking about the worst Spielberg movie, the totally worthless piece of shit A.I., and talk about Superman Returns.

Fu## A.I.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

I'm never that harsh when speaking of Horner...