Morn 8 Posted May 25, 2002 Author Share Posted May 25, 2002 I guess so, what is your email?PS Yes, I have noticed Mahler borrowing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornerIsTheMan 4 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Bond6007@aol.com (or you could just go to my profile) Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 harrypotter119@yahoo.com~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 25, 2002 Author Share Posted May 25, 2002 Sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 25, 2002 Author Share Posted May 25, 2002 Potter, it's too big for your inbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornerIsTheMan 4 Posted May 26, 2002 Share Posted May 26, 2002 Thanks for the music, Morn. You are right, it's unmistakably Schindler's List, although in a completely different style. No composer is perfect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 0 Posted May 26, 2002 Share Posted May 26, 2002 Moving back to Horner's early works, didn't he write that song "Somewhere Out There" for some Disney film? That was a nice song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornerIsTheMan 4 Posted May 26, 2002 Share Posted May 26, 2002 Moving back to Horner's early works, didn't he write that song "Somewhere Out There" for some Disney film? That was a nice song.Yes, he wrote that (along with Barry Mann) for An American Tail. Great song. How come nobody knows about the Land Before Time? The score is simply superb. Lots of great melodies, a lush full orchestra and a stunning main theme (also a pop song by Diana Ross: If We Hold On Together that just about everybody knows)! I recommend it to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 26, 2002 Author Share Posted May 26, 2002 I have it. It is quite good.And btw, I am always right, do not forget that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 26, 2002 Share Posted May 26, 2002 The beginning of Mahler's Symphony No.1 sounds to me like the first notes from the Star Trek theme bu Alexander Courage.Hector - who hopes he still get to hear something new by Courage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 26, 2002 Author Share Posted May 26, 2002 Indeed it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 26, 2002 Share Posted May 26, 2002 Phew! I was begininig to think I was the only one that noticed this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 Moving back to Horner's early works, didn't he write that song "Somewhere Out There" for some Disney film? That was a nice song.Yes, he wrote that (along with Barry Mann) for An American Tail. Great song. How come nobody knows about the Land Before Time? The score is simply superb. Lots of great melodies, a lush full orchestra and a stunning main theme (also a pop song by Diana Ross: If We Hold On Together that just about everybody knows)! I recommend it to all.Hehehe. I can't remember the main theme.~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 Thanks for the music, Morn. You are right, it's unmistakably Schindler's List, although in a completely different style. No composer is perfect...Well we certainly know that. I'll have to judge for myself.~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 27, 2002 Author Share Posted May 27, 2002 Hehehe. I can't remember the main theme. Why not? I remember it ever since I saw the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 I can remember the If We Hold On Together bit, but not the main title.~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 Hey Morn, did you send the file to me yet? Did you get my PM?~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 27, 2002 Author Share Posted May 27, 2002 I sent it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 Thank you.~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 Thanks for the music, Morn. You are right, it's unmistakably Schindler's List, although in a completely different style. No composer is perfect...I have to argue it's different. The rythm is similar, but the notes are off.~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 27, 2002 Author Share Posted May 27, 2002 Williams has done variations of themes that are more different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 Williams has done variations of themes that are more different.Care to elaborate more on that?Anyway, I, as will Horneristheman, will be stuck in our opinions, so no arguing is going to change that. ~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 27, 2002 Author Share Posted May 27, 2002 Emperor theme in augie. Anyway, it doesn't have to have exactly the same notes, they can easily be changed, the point is the intervals are very similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 Yes, they're very similar, but they aren't the same. There's a difference in those two pieces, as well as those two statements.~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 I'm curious.Harry: send it to me!Director - interested in hearing for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 Concerning Horner/Williams borrowing themes:The theme in Schindler's List is apparently that of tradtional Russian folk music. Horner used (a variation of) this theme in Enemy at the Gates to great effect, and since it has no defined origin, there is no copyright infringement, etc.Concerning Horner's repeated use of the short theme:As far as I can see, this is the epitamy of Horner's modern laziness, as the 5 note 'rising/down 1' menacing theme which was used very well in Willow (kick-arse score), has been used for anything conventionally bad in many of his scores since. Try: Enemy at the Gates, Zorro, A Perfect Storm (and Titanic, I think). Infact, I laughed when I saw Zorro on TV because I heard this motif straight away. My family proceded to give me a strange look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 The theme in Schindler's List is apparently that of tradtional Russian folk music. Horner used (a variation of) this theme in Enemy at the Gates to great effect, and since it has no defined origin, there is no copyright infringement, etc.However, Williams had already used the theme for a movie wonderfully. The theme was known then, but Horner decided "Hey, I'll use this cause it's cool to copy!"~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 29, 2002 Author Share Posted May 29, 2002 I heard it was a jewish folk song. Anyway, wouldn't that be funny, it would mean Mahler, Williams and Horner have all stolen it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 How do you steal something that belongs to everyone? If it was indeed a folksong, the origin is most likely undeterminable.~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 29, 2002 Author Share Posted May 29, 2002 I kind of said that word with tongue and cheek anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 30, 2002 Share Posted May 30, 2002 Is Willow a good score? I can't remember. I should get it soon. I like Enemy At The Gates and think the orchestration is awesome.....especially in tracks like "Betrayal".... it's pretty cool, I think.Schindler's List is Johnny's salute to classical.....and then came Angela's Ashes. Those two are incredibly amazing and they both should've won Oscars.Director - thinking Johnny's string writing has developed substantially in the past 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 30, 2002 Author Share Posted May 30, 2002 Willow is one of his best, and probably his best orchestration too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted May 30, 2002 Share Posted May 30, 2002 His Glory score is gorgeous. His Rocketeer theme is incredibly exciting. His Willow is very adventurous and sometimes chilling. His Apollo 13 theme is subtley heroic. His "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids," score includes a LOT of Goonies inspired music. The storm theme from "Perfect Storm" is the EXACT same theme for that skull dude from Willow. He goes kinda overboard with copying his Braveheart score. If you've heard Enya's Book of Days, then you hear Titanic, you'd be prone to think, "Hey, Enya did the soundtrack! Neat!"Interesting....Horner scores you love, followed by the ones you don't care for because of his tendency to return to familiar thematic grounds. Interesting, because one of scores on your "favorites" list is The Rocketeer....which is like a "best hits" list from his scores of the 80's. There are direct quotes from Willow, Cocoon, Field of Dreams, and his Star Trek scores, just to name a few. Not that I consider this a bad thing, necessarily; in fact, The Rocketeer happens to be one of my favorites as well. Just a curiosity....I haven't yet heard A Beautiful Mind yet, but I'm astonished to hear that he used the Gayne Ballet bit yet again! That's one of the few thieveries of his I've never been able to reconcile with. It's not so bad that he used it in Aliens, mind you....but that he repeated it again in Patriot Games, and then again in Clear and Present Danger....well, that was just inviting criticism. I guess he figured it was time to dust off an ol' standby once again.... Incidentally....Willow is definitely worth the time, one of the best fantasy scores of the decade. Not as good as Krull, but certainly a great one....- Uni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 30, 2002 Share Posted May 30, 2002 Krull is good, but willow is on a completely different level, i think.Stefancos- who loves that score, and likes the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Nice avatar! That makes three Sith posters.~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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