APBez 11 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I mean specifically. What, for example, might "creative differences" mean in reality?Of the break-ups we know about, what's been cited?Interested.APBez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 It's usually an issue of trust. When a director refuses to allow the composer to be creative, they do not trust the composer enough. When the composer will not follow the wishes of the director, they don't trust the director enough.Usually it is that the director or studio is not willing to trust the composer because they want exactly what's on the temp track, though... Its a rare composer that won't try his hardest to please the director based on the conversations they have. Artistic integrity comes into play when a director asks a composer to copy a temp track. The composer could throw away his credibility as an artist if he obeys such wishes. Imagine if someone hired Anthony Hopkins and asked him to do an impression of Jim Carrey, just because they wanted that Jim Carrey style that was so popular in his last movie. No self respecting actor would go along with it unless there was some artistic reason to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Case in point: Danny Elfman and Sam Raimi.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codanai 0 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 But for the original Star Wars, didn't John Williams imitate a lot of the music used in the temp tracks? I've read somewhere that Lucas used Dvorak, Holst, and other composers' music as the original SW temp track, and you can definitely hear the influence in the score. But I'd say that that was GOOD thing (I also tend to think that Williams is an extremely cooperative, humble artist). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 The reason for music in movies is because _it's what the director wants_ , let's never forget that Sometimes what the director wants is not always what he hears during the recording, and being artists, those musicians will fight for their ideology and sometimes just aren't able or willing to give the director what he requires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Case in point: Danny Elfman and Sam Raimi.TimRaimi reportedly called Elfman a big old bed-wetting doody head. Elfman responded with "how appropriate, you fight like a cow." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 But imagine, a director gives a composer free hand. He composes something what he finds appropriate for the movie and this is approved by the director. Then we - the fans - start bashing the music, the composer and the director for not going along the lines or for not sounding like typical Hollywood score and so on. "Brockeback Mountain" is one of such examples .PS. I am still pissed that "MoaG" didn't win the Oscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R. 10 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Don't forget the PRODUCER(s). So sometimes the composer not only has to please the director - but also one or more producers - who might not even agree with the director. It's a tough business of compromise, often... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Case in point: Danny Elfman and Sam Raimi.TimCase in point: Bernard Herrmann and myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 But imagine, a director gives a composer free hand. He composes something what he finds appropriate for the movie and this is approved by the director. Then we - the fans - start bashing the music, the composer and the director for not going along the lines or for not sounding like typical Hollywood score and so on. "Brockeback Mountain" is one of such examples .PS. I am still pissed that "MoaG" didn't win the Oscar.I don't think anybody bashed that movie for it's different kind of music, just that it wasn't appropriate for an award in that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Well, you know, when the director and composer disagree too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Case in point: Danny Elfman and Sam Raimi.TimCase in point: Bernard Herrmann and myself. Your career went seriously down hill after Psycho. Bennie was smart to jump ship when he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 What about his great scores to THE FEATHERY THINGS and MARMITE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Bennie was smart to jump ship when he did.Herrmann didn't jump ship. Hitch wanted a more modern sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Admiral Hitch disagrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Peter Jackson and Howard shore for King Kong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Has any part of Shore's score surfaced yet? I'm dying to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 I think only half his score was recorded. None of it has seen the light of day so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Bennie was smart to jump ship when he did.Herrmann didn't jump ship. Hitch wanted a more modern sound.After which Herrmann jumped ship, refusing to "deface his music". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Why you ask?Stupidity on both parts, A director refusing to stand up fo his film, neither person will give in insisting their way is the right way, someone else on the production team thinks they know more about film music, the composer doesn't get it right, the director is musically deaf and finally studio interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Peter Jackson and Howard shore for King Kong?They didn't have a falling-out. They just mutually agreed on King Kong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Well, Newton- Howard was more than efficient in the end. Although he certainly mimicked Shore here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Case in point: Danny Elfman and Sam Raimi.TimJust thought I'd put this information on this thread. At the San Diego Comic Con, on the Spider-man 3 panel, Raimi was asked about the music, and Raimi said that he would love for Elfman to come back...that he wants Elfman to come back because he's part of the universe of Spider-man now, and since Christopher Young is attached, perhaps they will team up.I doubt that that will happen, due to Elfman's animosity right now because of his experience on the second film.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 I think Elfman once replied to the question "will you ever work with Sam Raimi again" with "not if I can help it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 I'm sure it's every major composer's dream to share scoring duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 I think Elfman once replied to the question "will you ever work with Sam Raimi again" with "not if I can help it."I believe it was the interview he did with the Suicide Girls website.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyy38 21 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Maybe this will help:http://www.filmtracks.com/special/industry1/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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