JCoppack 0 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Let me just start by saying I'm a Massive John Williams Fan and own 70+ Williams Albums, I also enjoy the work of David Arnold, James Newton Howard and John Barry.However I do own a few Media Ventures Scores, now I dislike Hans and his MV crew just as much as the next person, but are there some that are worthy purchases? I'll tell you what MV or MVish scores I own and how much I paid for them and I'll let you be the judge.Zimmer/Gerrard's Gladiator: The anniversary Edition (£6.00)While I think it is overrated, it's not bad listen for the price I paid.Zimmer's Backdraft: (£12.00)I enjoy it mostly. Shame about the Typical Zimmer action music though. However it did have a bonus interview track where I seem to remember Zimmer stating that he didn't think he was very good at composing action music, which to me, made it worth every penny.Trevor Rabin's Deep Blue Sea: (£8.00)I must admit it's a guilty Pleasure for me; I do enjoy the rendition of the main theme in the aftermath track. It's a shame the album only presents about half and hour of music.Zimmer's The Lion King: (Free From a Friend)I would have gladly paid full price for this. I think this is the only Zimmer score that I can genuinely say I love. A worthy Oscar winner. I don't mind Elton's songs either.Zimmer's The Last Samurai: (Free From a Friend)Not a massive fan of this. Nice main theme until you realise it's just a rehash of Gladiator's earth theme. Mostly dull underscore. Not Bad for a freebie though.Zimmer's Hannibal: (Free From a Friend)I enjoy this album. Shame about the dialogue. As usual, Zimmer takes credit but it seems only a handful of the tracks were composed by him. I do love Vide cor Meum though.Zimmer's The Da Vinci Code: (£8.00)Some good bits, some not so good bits, still I think it was a worthy purchase.Zimmer/JNH's Batman Begins: (£12.00)To be honest I took a chance on this and bought it without hearing any of it. I generally enjoy JNH's scores but I was left disappointed. I guess it has grown on me over time but I still skip the tedious Zimmer action music.So there you have it. My MV collection. Am I a bad person for owning these scores? and dare I say it enjoying some of them? What do you think? Also I'd like to hear if any of you guys have a secret MV stash they would like to confess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondo 33 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Bah, there's nothing wrong with enjoying Zimmer's scores. I hardly consider myself a BAD person or even feel guilty enjoying the music. I have no problem with listening to a Zimmer CD right after a Williams CD. It's all personal taste, and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise!That said, of those you own, my personal favorites are Backdraft, The Last Samurai, and Hannibal. If you're looking to branch out and expand your collection, I would recommend:Chicken Run (John Powell & Harry Gregson-Williams)Crimson Tide (Hans Zimmer)Kingdom of Heaven (Harry Gregson-Williams)Paycheck (John Powell)Ned Kelly (Klaus Badelt)Twister (Mark Mancina)We Were Soldiers (Nick Glennie-Smith)Steamboy (Steve Jablonsky)Remember the Titans (Trevor Rabin... not available commercially, but if you look hard enough you can find it)I think these represent some of MediaVentures' most impressive and under-rated work. Quite often some of their best works are only represented by a few tracks on the album or go completely unreleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Does Gavin Greenaway's music to Disney's Illuminations count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 You needPirates 1Pirates 2Shrek 1The RockPaycheck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,089 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I'm never quite sure what counts as an MV score, or who of their ex-members left when, but here's a little collection of MV(ish) scores:The Lion King - Nice score, though somewhat overrated. I actually like the songs most about this album.Chicken Run - Absolutely awesome. Must-have.X3 - Very solid score with plenty of highlights, though it sometimes takes things too far (e.g. choir-wise), while at the same time not taking things far enough musically (Dark Phoenix Tragedy works extremely well in the film, and it's great on CD, but the ending comes too suddenly from a purely musical perspective)I also have to get Da Vinci Code, which in the movie seemed to be a solid effort with not enough structure but a couple of minor and one major highlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 The Lion KingGladiatorBackdraftCrimson TideShrekChicken RunSinbad: Legend of the seven SeasPrince of Egypt is pretty good too, I hear. And I kinda like Speed, although I hardly ever play it all the way through.And oh yeah, basically most solo efforts by Powell and Gregson-Williams are pretty good, but I don't know if you should really count those as real MV scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondo 33 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Ok, secretly I would recommend King Arthur, The Peacemaker, The Rock, Broken Arrow, Pirates of the Caribbean 1 & 2, Equilibrium, Bad Company, and National Treasure. But I don't think he likes the stereotypical Zimmer/Rabin action music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 You buy whatever you like listening to regardless of mine or anyone elses opinion of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 But it can't hurt to ask for suggestions.I agree with Marc that Powell's and HGW's solo efforts (and actually, even the few they did together) really aren't MV scores. Of these, I HIGHLY recommend HGW's Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas and The Chronicles of Narnia. Powell's X-Men: The Last Stand and the duo's Shrek and Chicken Run are also great.Of course, if you're going to go all-out MV, you can't get "better" than The Rock. It's a typical MV-fest through and through, but it somehow seems fresher and more enjoyable than the plethora of similar scores that came after it. Plus, the final track rocks. Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,616 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 ...none of them...K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulky 6 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I don't consider myself a real fan of Zimmer (or his cronies), but the below cited scores I feel, are satisfying and perhaps even worthy of owning:The Lion King - Zimmer: Decent themes, emotional (perhaps even sappy, if one is into that kind of thing...).Crimson Tide - Zimmer: Arguably Hans' best work - tense at times; choral accents create charged atmosphere; (musically) driven with a real sense of purpose - adds to the storytelling element of the film / wartime nautical subject; when the musical payoff comes at the end, it simply rocks.The Rock - Glennie-Smith / Gregson- Williams / Zimmer: Takes the action and power anthem stuff from Crimson up another notch.Face/Off - Powell / Greenaway: An MV sounding score with moments of high drama and urgency (just like the film).The Peacemaker - Zimmer: Anthem & choral chunks, kinda like a darkish flipside of The Rock.Gladiator - Zimmer: If only for the Earth theme, and if you're not sick of the countless Middle-Eastern Lady vocalizes, for Lisa Gerrard's contribution.The Time Machine - Badelt: Some real meat on this one. A decent, noble theme (reminiscent of Goldsmith) and orchestrations make for an interesting listen, one that feels decidedly non-MV.The Ring - Zimmer: Hans doing mainly dark, chamber string-type music.X3 - Powell: I look forward to more from JP on the strength of this - which to put it plainly, is a rich, finely crafted score.As for Mancina's contributions, even though I find some of his work to be effective when used in the film proper (specifically Speed, Bad Boys, and Twister), on disc, I fear i'd be treated to tracks and musical ideas that are repetitive, "cue-y" sounding, and lack the sort of development that I'd find in the scores above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,616 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 ok,Chicken Run maybe.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 The best advice I can give you for Lion King is to buy the regular release on CD for the songs, then get the expanded bootleg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Of course, if you're going to go all-out MV, you can't get "better" than The Rock. It's a typical MV-fest through and through, but it somehow seems fresher and more enjoyable than the plethora of similar scores that came after it. Plus, the final track rocks. I don't know. I was a bit disappointed by The Rock. I haven't even made it through the entire album yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Then you should at least skip to the last track ("Fort Walton, Kansas") and just try not to feel artificially empowered!Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 The Lion King: Try to get the complete score, some great orchestral (unused and unreleased) cues there.I laso enjoy Kingdom of Heaven and The Chronicles of Narnia.Period... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Shrek, Shrek II and Chicken Run are ones I would recommend.Twister and Deep Blue Sea are ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Then you should at least skip to the last track ("Fort Walton, Kansas") and just try not to feel artificially empowered! Isn't that awful Chase cue at the end of the album... There goes the listening experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I have to admit, Pirates of the Caribbean 2 is kind of catchy, though 40% of it sounds way too much like "Music" (read: synth crashes) from Survivor.I'm also becoming a fan of John Powell because he seems to have broken the mold. In fact, I didn't realize he was ex-MV until this thread because he seems to have thrown off their general shabbiness. I like Gregson-Williams, especially Kingdom of Heaven, but he has a ways to go before he sheds enough of his MV to be considered a real composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 In order of my personal preference:1. Crimson Tide 2. The Prince of Egypt 3. Kingdom of Heaven 4. Chicken Run 5. Gladiator 6. Beyond Rangoon 7. Spanglish 8. Backdraft 9. Hannibal 10. Sinbad Legend of the Seven Seas11. X312. The Time Machine13. The Lion King14. The Chronicles of Narnia15. Ned Kelly16. The Da Vinci Code17. The Last Samurai18. Shrek/Shrek 2If your main concern is that all MV music is interchangeable, and sounds the same, that above list should begin to show you otherwise.And the first two tracks of The Rock are the only consistently interesting material on that CD IMO. There's bits and pieces of some cool masculine sound here and there, but the first 2 tracks are about all I listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondo 33 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 The Rock isn't sequenced properly at all. Chronologically, it's a much better listen. There's no sense putting The Chase at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Btw Media Ventures doesn't exist anymore. Let's stop writing that, it's now called "Remote Control Productions". 8OYou can't go wrong with Harry Gregson-Williams imho. He's the best of the bunch, I hope someday he ventures (ha) out and creates more purely orchestral music. Sinbad, Shrek, Chicken Run, KoH, Narnia. I mean just a simple work like the rush job he did for Team America sounded better than about everything done by the MV guys for the past 2 years.Underrated MV score : Armageddon (2CD boot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,620 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I don't feel guilty listening to MV stuff. When I'm in the right mood, the endless synth beats can be quite stimulating.For example, The Wave from Poseidon has some pretty cool rhythms in the middle which give a great rush of adrenalin sometimes.In fact, I'm doing my best to listen to as many styles of soundtracks as possible. It's not every day that you listen to Exodus and The Rock in one sitting and thoroughly enjoy both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Btw Media Ventures doesn't exist anymore. Let's stop writing that, it's now called "Remote Control Productions". But that's so ironically appropriate it's not even funny anymore! 8O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 There is NO REASON not to listen to this music if you like it. Do not let the opinions of people fool you. Listen to what you like. Do not be embrassed or guilty. If it connects with you, then it is good music. In general listen to anything you like, even country I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsinct 3 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I love that music! I also enjoy Gladiator, Shrek, and Narnia.Does Gavin Greenaway's music to Disney's Illuminations count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,089 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 But that's so ironically appropriate it's not even funny anymore! 8OYou're no fun anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesie 1 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I love Pirates 1 and 2... and Twister is an awesome score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deimos 0 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Antz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 You're no fun anymore!"I heard that! Anyone else nicks my line I'll throw them in front of a camel!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,089 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 But it's my only liiine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Then you should at least skip to the last track ("Fort Walton, Kansas") and just try not to feel artificially empowered! Isn't that awful Chase cue at the end of the album... There goes the listening experience.Oh yeah, I forgot that because I always just stop after Fort Walton.You can't go wrong with Harry Gregson-Williams imho. He's the best of the bunch, I hope someday he ventures (ha) out and creates more purely orchestral music. Sinbad, Shrek, Chicken Run, KoH, Narnia. I mean just a simple work like the rush job he did for Team America sounded better than about everything done by the MV guys for the past 2 years. Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 My personal favourite score which hasn't been mentioned here is "Thin Red Line". I know that this is mostly brooding music that may regarded as boring by many of you, but for me it is the greatest brooding music ever created. I didn't appreciate it during my first listenings. In fact, it took me a very long time to start enjoying it. Now I find it one of the greatest scores I've ever heard. It is mainly due to the incredible mood it creates (to which I couldn't have given myself in for a long time). I have never heard another score that would have such an effect on me. It mesmerizes the listener, it relaxes, it transcendents to some other dimention. Trully maginificent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I loooooove tTRL, back then it was an aspect of Zimmer we did not know at that time, but I still feel it was too much wrote over the temp tracks. Shades of Dvorak's symphony 9, etc... I mean if you saw The New World, you can see how Mallick likes that kind of slow, trance-like melancholic music, with that Wagner track. Btw I hate so much people who think it's Horner who wrote that. If so he would had rescored it with a bunch of "ta da da DA!" 4-note motives meaning that those people were evil to the amerindians In the same vain, you have Jon Brion who basically scored Magnolia from tTRL temp tracks (it's too a great album) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I have to mention "The man in the iron mask" by Nick Glennie-Smith. Though it has its share of the typical MV sound in its action passages, the full orchestra which performed the score is much better situated in the mix with the synths than your average MV score (cue pirates, or the action music in Gladiator) where it IS orchestral, but SOUNDS synth... and it has many gorgeous lighter/dramatic cues, melancholy cues, romantic cues... with a bit of baroque sound thrown in at times. ****/*****ps: you really notice that the love theme from this and "Jade" from The Rock were written by the same guy, and not only because of the flute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 The opening music from the CD of Man With The Iron Mask is almost identical to that of The Rock.The theme is different, but the orchestrations, arrangement everything.Why did they even bother?Also electric guitars have no place in a film about musketeers in France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 About as much as romantic orchestra has a place in a film about ancient Rome. Your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Very true, but in the mind of pretty much every film goer, it works. Historically speaking Korngold is a wrong for a pirate flick as Zimmer. Yet Captain Blood is held in enormous regard by the same people who want to make Zimmer walk the plank.The electric guitar took me out of Man With The Iron Mask (which is a delightfull romp). The string section did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondo 33 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Also electric guitars have no place in a film about musketeers in France.Why not? It's experimentation. It's stupid to say that all films about mustketeers in France have to have similar scores. There should not be a prototypical "musketeers in Frace" score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Ok I'll amend that statement.There can be electric guitars in a Film about Musketeers if it's done well.This isn't done well.I did think the pop/rock score worked for A Knight Tale though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondo 33 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 ok! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,268 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 All MV scores sound nice with the volume really really really low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredo 0 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I must say I love all of John Powell's work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 All MV scores sound nice with the volume really really really low.Which is silly when listening to their run of the mill blockbuster scores....It's like looking at a painting in a museum with sunglasses on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,268 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I was just kidding Some of them I do enjoy. Hannibal specially, and several sections from Batman Begins and Gladiator. Kingdom of Heaven is consistently enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Despite my hatred for Hans Zimmer and co. I do admit to liking a few of their scores, Batman Begins being one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 It is not okay to own any of MV/RC scores. If you do, Secret Service agents will haul you in for severe questioning... maybe even torture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 796 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 What MV scores are ok to own?All of them. As long as you're happy with it. Your topic question suggests that:A. Owning some MV scores equal a criminal act;B. You need the "approval" of the members of this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 A. Owning some MV scores equal a criminal act;Owning the score to Con Air is as repugnant an act as robbing your grandmother and setting fire to her house, with her chained to the bed.B. You need the "approval" of the members of this board.Roald, everyone craves for the aproval of their peers, you know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 796 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Owning the score to Con Air is as repugnant an act as robbing your grandmother and setting fire to her house, with her chained to the bed. ...And playing the music Jan Smit over her stereo! No wait; she might like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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