Sandor 797 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 What Williams cue do you expect would be most likely mistaken for a Media Ventures/Hans Zimmerish type piece....?(Sincerely; I hope the sentence above makes sense...)What Williams cue is the most MV in nature...?I would say: The Football Game from Sleepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 I was thinking "Tavington's Trap" from The Patriot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Jones 0 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Well I would say... the end of "Sayuris Theme and End Credits"Just when this synth-like percussion starts.. I was pretty dissapointed when I heard that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Dennis Steals The Embryos. Which I like actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Well I would say... the end of "Sayuris Theme and End Credits"Just when this synth-like percussion starts.. I was pretty dissapointed when I heard that.I think the End Credits piece is my favorite cue on the album, outside the Chairman's Waltz, precisely for that reason.Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Wow has the message board sunk so low that we are now insulting John Williams with the idea that any of his music comes close to resembling MV?There is nothing, I repeat nothing, in Williams vast career that come even close to that garbage that MV churns out.Wow...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted August 29, 2006 Author Share Posted August 29, 2006 ...So why get so emotional over it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Actually I'm very calm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted August 29, 2006 Author Share Posted August 29, 2006 Me too...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 The question is what would MOST LIKELY be mistaken, Mark.I would say Moon Rising from A.I., perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Yes I know.And there is nothing Williams has written that would even make me think of MV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Well I would say... the end of "Sayuris Theme and End Credits"Just when this synth-like percussion starts.. I was pretty dissapointed when I heard that.Except for the fact that actual people played the percussion on real instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Yes I know.And there is nothing Williams has written that would even make me think of MV.Me neither, but lay people, hell yes. Sure the quality of The Moon Rising, is much better than your average MV piece, but I could see average film music fans getting them confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIEfighter 0 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 "Setting the Trap" from Home Alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 "Setting the Trap" from Home AloneOnly one that came to my mind is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Definitely the middle section of "The moon rising", pretty boring stuff and strange...I wonder why nobody yet mentioned Heartbeeps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Wow has the message board sunk so low that we are now insulting John Williams with the idea that any of his music comes close to resembling MV?There is nothing, I repeat nothing, in Williams vast career that come even close to that garbage that MV churns out.Wow......What he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Munich,Discovering Hans to my dismay still sounds like EDIT: Williams: oops.YetThe raid in tarifa does sound like MV stuffParts of Munich 1972 sound like Debney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 The electronic rhythms in the score to Munich were absolutely perfect. I wouldn't say they're MV sounding at all. They are a strong departure from Williams' typical "style" though. I'm learning more and more lately that Williams' style can't be pinned down so easily.Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted August 29, 2006 Author Share Posted August 29, 2006 Discovering Hans to my dismay still sounds like Zimmer. Oh, the irony.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 I'd say a lot of Minority Report.Chase over Coruscant.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Dennis Steals The Embryos. Which I like actually. Exactly what I was going to say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 I was going to say "Training Montage" from SpaceCamp, but that might be more akin to The Beegees rather than MV.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 "Setting the Trap" from Home AloneCome again? I'm not even sure any of the MV guys has ever composed a fugue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Sure the quality of The Moon Rising, is much better than your average MV piece, but I could see average film music fans getting them confused.Nah it's strange, a little boring, quirky and not memorable. People have created MV-related stuff that's way better than that. It's not a good composition at all (and now that we know, not related completely to John himself but his son). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Anderton's Great Escape K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 "Setting the Trap" from Home AloneCome again? I'm not even sure any of the MV guys has ever composed a fugue.Before it turns to fugue, it sounds very MVish to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Maybe that's why I never really liked that trackK.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Chase over Coruscant.Andertons Great EscapeK.M.Those two are 100% Williams Action cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AI 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Sure the quality of The Moon Rising, is much better than your average MV piece, but I could see average film music fans getting them confused.Nah it's strange, a little boring, quirky and not memorable. People have created MV-related stuff that's way better than that. It's not a good composition at all (and now that we know, not related completely to John himself but his son).Listen to the bass part in that techno bit. Then listen at 2.53 - 3.06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 245 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Anderton's Great Escape K.M.It's too complex for a MV guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I'd say a lot of Minority Report.Chase over Coruscant. You obvously don't know Zimmer's music very well. Morlock- who thinks the people are simply picking cues with electornics in them, generally having little to do with the topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 No,it's the heavy percussions in those cues that "reminds me" of MV,although Williams music is much more complex.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Any MV music in particular? Because I know both Williams and Zimmer music quite well, and I can't think of a single Williams actiony piece that has anything to do with 'MV music'. If anything, I think something like The Terminal is closest to Zimmer. I could see Zimmer composing a good deal of that (the love theme notably excluded). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I dunno,I'm talking more "PotC" style of MV.I guess it's superficial resemblance,I don't know MV music at all in it's detail since I don't have a single c.d. of Zimmer.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nothing by Williams reminds me of MV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 There is nothing, I repeat nothing, in Williams vast career that come even close to that garbage that MV churns out.That's true, of course.But Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin and Harry Gregson-Williams are some light years better than Zimmer and Badelt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 And Zimmer cam score brillantly (The Thin Red Line). Ok, it's more he can redo the same moods as well as what Mallick gave him with the temp tracks of classical pieces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 It's hilarious (and ridiculous) how there is always only ONE score (The Thin Red Line) that actually get out when it comes to Zimmer.No one has never been able to name another decent Zimmer score that is worth naming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Sure: Hannibal. And a good portion of Gladiator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 and The Lion King Burga - who still doesnt think Badelt's name should be dragged into the mud over POTC alone. Just check out the samples to The Promise. Sounds good to mehttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FC2F7...v=glance&n=5174 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 I think Hannibal and expecially Gladiator are incredibly boring. How can you call them "decent"? :?Lion King sucks just because it stole the Oscar to Forrest Gump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 I could name a great deal of Zimmer's good scores, not only The Thin Red Line which I find his greatest achievment. I love "Rain Man", "Hannibal", "Black Hawk Down", "The DaVinci Code". I like "The Last Samurai", "Pearl harbour" and "Gladiator". I don't know "The Lion King", "House of the Spirits", "Beyond Rangoon" and "Crimson Tide", "As good as it gets" good enough to form an opinion, but from what I have heard they are worthy picking.I don't understand the idea of bashing the music that is written in different manner than Williams's or doesn't obey classical patterns. Or the music that is generated on a sytnhesizer.As much as I dislike typical Zimmer's and MV's approach to action music and their tendency to constant reuse some of their (not very good) motives, I am glad that they have to offer something different than the rest.Still, I find it difficult to pick a cue resemblant to MV's works. Maybe "Letter bombs" from "Munich" or earlier mentioned "Football game" from "The Sleepers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 I think Hannibal and expecially Gladiator are incredibly boring. How can you call them "decent"? :? Hannibal is far from "decent". It is a great score. I know, it doesn't have any big fanfares or any particularly loud music to catch your attention, but trust me, it's a good score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 I think Hannibal and expecially Gladiator are incredibly boring. How can you call them "decent"? :? Hannibal is far from "decent". It is a great score. I know, it doesn't have any big fanfares or any particularly loud music to catch your attention, but trust me, it's a good score.But most importantly it fails to have the deepness of the trademark John Williams sound. Hence it's boring to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 "Hungry Raptor" from Jurassic Park (The unused cue for the 'Raptors in the Shed' moment... the same cue continues into the commonly referred to 'Clever Girl' music but it is all one track. I'm talking about the portion from 0:00-0:57)It is very much that early 90's, Hans Zimmer (Backdraft-esque) feel...with synth instruments abound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Lion King sucks just because it stole the Oscar to Forrest Gump. Gump was nice, but too underdeveloped to be a winner though. the CD leaves me thorougly unsatisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 But most importantly it fails to have the deepness of the trademark John Williams sound. Hence it's boring to me. Thank god it doesn't have the depth of the Williams sound. Only one person should be sounding like JW. And it's not John Debney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 But John Debney is sooo greater than Zimmer. That ain't debatable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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