Elmo Lewis 6 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 So I was wondering about the different uses dissonances have in film music, and I frustratingly found out I have a very vague notion of what "dissonant" is (i.e. I only recognise it in relatively extreme cases). So I was wondering, what is Williams' most dissonant score as a whole? I would also like to know what the board thinks of this score and how they connect to it from an emotional point of view. Only because it's easy to say that you can't connect with a dissonant score - but then again, there's Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Images? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 WotW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 As a whole, I'd say Images. But many of his scores contains many sections of dissonance such as War of the Worlds, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, A.I., and others.Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 WOTW is dissonant?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 A great deal of it, yes.Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 WOTW is dissonant?! No wonder you don't like it.Better go back to your Titanic CD Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMan 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 WAR OF THE WORLDS! Epitemy of dissonance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Images,Ce3K(a lot of it),A.I.(some of it),Minority Report,WotW,Lost World.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacius 7 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 yeah I'd say WOTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 WOTW is amazing. I liked it immediately.Don't know if it was because of this dissonance stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,251 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Screaming Woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingPin 201 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I vote Images, with War of the Worlds a close second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,268 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Screaming Woman.Pretty much. And he gets pretty dissonant in some of his ambient writting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Better go back to your Titanic CD Alex. Now THAT sounds dissonant to me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 I'd love to hear Images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted August 31, 2006 Author Share Posted August 31, 2006 Images,Ce3K(a lot of it),A.I.(some of it),Minority Report,WotW,Lost World.Okay, those were the ones I had in mind already. Can a music-savvy member confirm if PoA is a whole lot more dissonant than your average action/fantasy writing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmanand 0 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 WotW by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 I haven't heard "The Screaming Woman" (but would love to check it out, -where can i find it?).There are many levels, and many types of dissonance...And it is a highly relative term.The dissonance of "Images" and even "Close Encounters" is mostly atmospheric, and isn't used so much in a harmonically contractile way, but rather as harmonic "fields" of color and texture, much in the way the Polish avant-garde of the 60's and 70's would use it (especially Penderecki). I would say that Bartok's chromatic linear writing is more dissonant than most music by Ligeti (with the exception of a few pieces), Pendercki or Lutoslawski, and similarily, that certain cues in "War of the Worlds" are more "sternly" dissonant. Also, the dissonant music in HP:PoA achieves some of it's tension by solo textures within an orchestral fabric, and the effect of this is that of further fragmentation, which can contribute to it feeling very dissonant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,251 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 I can get you Screaming Woman... check you pm later today. : Witches of Eastwick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty 0 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Nixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 I'm no expert, but where is the dissonance in Nixon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 I didn't know a bootleg of Screaming Woman existedK.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty 0 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 I'm no expert, but where is the dissonance in Nixon?Dissonant in the way that Shostakovich and Prokofiev are dissonant. Dissonance doesn't mean just minor seconds stacked on top of each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,251 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 I didn't know a bootleg of Screaming Woman existedK.M.I made it my self ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Yep, it has to be Screaming Woman. Is that an horror movie? Great music in it. Thanks Miguel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,251 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 You're very welcome.Actually, this cd is a colaborative effort. I shouldn't take all that much credit for it...So, I will express my debt of gratitude to John Williams Master collector and a dear friend, Jos Graumans, who was able to get a hold of a copy of the film, and was, as he always is, kind to forward it to me. To former message board member and on of my dearest friends in the world, Eric McClellan, who came up with the gorgeus yet terrifiing image for the cover. And finally to Bernie Kyer (aka Goodmusician) who found time to do a little of cleaning up on the ripped files.Without them, none of you would be listening to this lost work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Thanks to all the others as well then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Miguel, thank you so very, very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,251 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 You're all very welcome. It's always a pleasure to share with those who really care.On a side note: I do hope that the future bring us a release of this score, or at least, some enterprising company like SilvScreen, comissions a reconstruction and recording of it, eitehr parcial or luckilly, complete. Torke: December Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,930 Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Screaming Woman.Well, that's interesting. I didn't hear anything of it.War scenes from BITFOJ, a lot of stuff in JFK.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,251 Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Well, that's interesting. I didn't hear anything of it. Most people haven't, as there isn't a real release of it. Only me and a few friends who took the work of getting it ripped ;-)But thanks to this internet era, this will find it's way to everyone's hardrive. : music : Amazing Stories vol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,930 Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Well, then I would certainly be interested.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 I don't have much to add to what Marcus said. Images isn't actually that dissonant.I personally like "Hogwarts Forever"'s beginning from "Philosopher's Stone".Peio, who would also beg for "Screaming Woman". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Better go back to your Titanic CD Alex. Now THAT sounds dissonant to me .don't you know that when Alex plays Titanic, and he listens to my heart will go on, he tugs at his nipples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted September 2, 2006 Author Share Posted September 2, 2006 I personally like "Hogwarts Forever"'s beginning from "Philosopher's Stone".Congratulations on your idea, Peio. Perhaps other members could also mention their favorite dissonant passage from a Williams' score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 I do hope that the future bring us a release of this score, or at least, some enterprising company like SilvScreen, comissions a reconstruction and recording of it, eitehr parcial or luckilly, complete.That much is certain.Another hidden gem.Makes me wonder how many of JW's lost treasures I have yet to hear, and you Miguel have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.ZacharySmith 0 Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Some of the cues in "John Goldfarb, Please Come Home" display a certain dissonance...especially some of the bits used to underscore the crazy Sultan (played wonderfully by Ustinov).BTW...does anyone know when this film is being released on DVD? Made me pee my pants with laughter when I first saw it as a teenager, years (and years!) ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,617 Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 I don't know anything about Images. Therefore, I vote Minority Report and Munich as his most dissonant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthera 0 Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 What is dissonance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.ZacharySmith 0 Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 What is dissonance?"The auditory experience of sound that lacks musical quality; sound that is a disagreeable auditory experience"-from WordWeb online dictionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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