Red 75 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I was not very impressed by the trailer. I really wanted to be and I enjoyed the first movie but this had some problems. The main one being the CGI, which did not look particularly great and made the thing look even more cartoonish which was an issue I had with An Unexpected Journey. I understand that the source material is lighter than that of other Tolkien works but there's way to do that in a film without forgoing tactility and blowing up every scene to huge proportions. Hopefully the CG will be greatly improved by the time it is released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I don't like the giant dwarf statue by the way....again, dwarves don't make great statues, and they just look all the more fake.I protest! How do you know they do not make gigantic statues?-Mikko who is also rather disheartened by the trailer, but can handle some giant statues- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I didn't mean it like that. I meant giant statues don't look good with dwarves. They don't suit them. Feels cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Shut up, Boal. CG isn't automatically horrible every time it's usedWhen did I say that? I just said that the CGI in the trailer look bad (the CG elves, Smaug's head, Ninjump Tauriel...). Never said CG is always horrible.you misunderstand the effects process if you think these shots aren't full of mattes and hand crafted elements, even though they aren't real location shots.Again, when did I say that? Just because I prefer real locations over CG locations doesn't mean I automatically reject every CG location. I'm just saying the CG locations in this trailer don't look really good to me. Yes, I know, it's just a teaser trailer, they have 5 to 6 months to improve these shots, but let's face it, even with the same amount of time, the first film had its fair share of bad CG (Radgy's sled, anyone?). Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong and be impressed by the CG in the final film. But so far, nothing in that trailer impressed me. That is all.Dude, the idea that CG is always bad is exactly what you conveyed. Chaac and I complemented the locales and you sarcastically responded "which CG locales are you referring to?" But whatever. Thanks for clearing it up. And no, I didn't think everything in the trailer was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Dude, the idea that CG is always bad is exactly what you conveyed. Chaac and I complemented the locales and you sarcastically responded "which CG locales are you referring to?"Yes, I said that because it seems 90% of the locales seen in the trailer are CG. That is all. If there is anything I wanted to convey, it was more than I'm sad there are so little actual locations compared to CG ones.And no, I didn't think everything in the trailer was great.I never said that you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I expect him to gracefully compose over the flaws of the film, like in the first one.The more pressing question is how much will be tracked from AUJ. And if PJ will use the Rohan theme for Laketown That would be far too suitable. Instead Jackson will jar my head on my neck with the Lighting of the Beacons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I didn't mean it like that. I meant giant statues don't look good with dwarves. They don't suit them. Feels cheap.If dwarves existed I bet they'd be ok with giant statues of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I think PJ lost it after King Kong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I didn't mean it like that. I meant giant statues don't look good with dwarves. They don't suit them. Feels cheap. If dwarves existed I bet they'd be ok with giant statues of themselves.Doesn't make them look any less stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brónach 1,302 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Lots of stuff in that trailer could be done with miniatures. Lake Town for example. You CGI the water and have the buildings be miniatures.The CGI Lonely Mountain over the lake takes me out of the shot.But some sets themselves also feel far too obvious. When Balin says that it's a dragon the set looks so set-like and the background of Balin so green-screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 So many shots of the actors look like CG, I'm starting to wonder if a few of the shots might use real actors with some kind of processing that gives them that same smooth, plastic look. For example, toward the end when Legolas is firing arrows, or some of the shots of the dwarves in barrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 In other news, the MPAA has rated the extended cut of AUJ. I'm presuming (or rather, hoping) this means Howard Shore has done the new score bits and revisions already? If Shore wasn't required to do new recordings I'd be extremely concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I'm starting to wonder if a few of the shots might use real actors with some kind of processing that gives them that same smooth, plastic look.That look is horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 They didn't even need to shoot this in New Zealand. They could have just done 3 months of shooting on location there and done the rest in England or somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 That's what it look like. Whatever happened to Jackson having Middle-Earth in his backyard?This film really needs miniatures. If only the Hobbit had the limitations that were present when LotR was made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Subtract Azog from this trilogy, and I bet you'd have a tighter and less predictable film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 That's what it look like. Whatever happened to Jackson having Middle-Earth in his backyard?It's not like you can only shoot Middle Earth in New Zealand anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Azog is one ugly bug! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I seem to remember that Jackson said that they couldn't use miniatures because the 48 FPS and 3D is shooting too detailed. Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 He should have kept the miniatures and ditch the 48fps and 3D shooting. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Katie Jackson tweets that a new vlog is coming soon@Jennyenydot The next Hobbit production vlog will be up within the next 2 weeks so keep an eye out!https://twitter.com/Katiejackson96/status/343623534842630144I wanna know when Jackson is going to answer the 20 questions he promised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 He should have kept the miniatures and ditch the 48fps and 3D shooting.He should have ditched the 3D, used 48 fps to give it a try, and doubled the size of the "miniatures". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I wanna know when Jackson is going to answer the 20 questions he promisedJay, you know he isn't going to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jangoisbaddest 1 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Subtract Azog from this trilogy, and I bet you'd have a tighter and less predictable film.This. You're already extending a story that's short and sweet into a simultaneous exploration of Middle Earth's backstory...you don't also need a completely new villain that adds nothing. I actually would have loved The Hobbit if he wasn't in there at all...or at least if he and his band was killed at the end. I mean, it's not like the score wasn't good, or the performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 The writing of anything to do with that subplot was bland and cliched as fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I still need to see An Unexpected Journey. Where was the EE confirmed? The Blu is cheap right now and I may pick it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 The EE was confirmed as coming out last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Was it that thing where WB accidentally put up a listing and then took it down? I wouldn't necessarily call that confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 No it was re-confirmed after that. Plus the EE cut was just rated by the mpaa.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Ah, aight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I say you should watch the film before buying the blu (even if it's dirt cheap). Just a piece of advice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Yea, redbox is $1, I dunno why anyone would buy a film they've never seen before when you can rent the blu for a buck first Plus even if you do like it, don't you like boxsets? You know there's gonna be one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Unexpected Journey should not have an extended edition, it should have a reduced edition Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 The Special Edition Abridged Cut.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I honestly think that is a possibility at some point in the future, that it's presented in the original two movies cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Keep dreaming! That will never happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Abridged cuts are like admitting that you did something wrong. Funnily enough, the opposite isn't, because they can claim "ah, they wouldn't let me put this or that". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I think we are more likely to get a super-extended, one-movie cut of all 3 films combined together than any shorter cutsI want the remaining unreleased deleted scenes from the LOTR trilogy more, honestly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Oh yes they did. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 You're late to the party. We knew that a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Hey that's pretty good, I hadn't seen that before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Unexpected Journey should not have an extended edition, it should have a reduced editionPerhaps. But I still have a small hope that the EE might have parallels to the TTT situation, where the theatrical edit was shortened so much that it felt disjointed, the characters didn't work and as a result the film actually felt longer/more dragged out than the extended cut.UJ's main problem, aside from the stupid bits sprinkled throughout the movie, is that it's littered with so many pointless action scenes that it lacks breathing space. Perhaps there's actually a good deal of worthwhile story material that was dropped in favour of the action. Adding that might make at least some things work better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I thought UJ looked beautifully shot in its final theatrical version, but DOS looks far too digital in its theatrical teaser. I hate how Jackson ditched most of the miniatures and in-camera trickery here.I pray that Jackson doesn't make the second film as bloated as UJ was. Make it a tight 2-hour cut, and save all the bloat for the EE DVD/Blu-ray editions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 There is no going back now. Wasn't there talk shortly after or shortly before AUJ's release (I think by Boyens) that DoS was going to be a shorter film? Even though shorter doesn't automatically mean "not bloated".@ BloodB ... TaurielWhat would be the point then of Gandalf visiting Dol Guldur? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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