Pelzter 0 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 This is probably common knowledge to most of you on this board, but recently, I heard Igor Stravinsky's "Le Sacre Du Printemps" - and the first part of it is essentially the theme to JAWS, both in terms of the rapid string ostinato and the brass attacks. Has Williams ever commented on this? Or could it just be a coincidence?--Pelzter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Has Williams ever commented on this? Or could it just be a coincidence?No coincidence, Sacre is too famous, too distinctive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 What a hack.Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyjeffrey 20 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 The Jaws theme, since it's so simple, is bound to pop up. There's a few bits from Creature From The Black Lagoon that can't escape the comparison (my 2 year-old son was playing nearby and said, "Here comes the shark..."). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 The Jaws theme, since it's so simple, is bound to pop up. No, no , no. It's more than that. Listen to the accents. They're identical. It's no coincidence. No way in hell!Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 I'd say the bit you're referring to sounds more like The Intersection Scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treat 0 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I've Played it and it and i was never reminded of JAWS, but i can see what your saying about the accents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Many 0 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 The accents in Jaws are very symmetrical and repetitious: da-da-DUM-da, da-da-DUM-da; they fall on the beat. In The Rite, however, the accents are intentionally off-kilter; sometimes they fall on the beat, at other times, off. The opening eight measures of the ostinato go like this: da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da, da-DUM-da-DUM, da-da-da-da, da-DUM-da-da, DUM-da-da-da, DUM-da-da-da, da-DUM-da-da. Stravinsky's rhythmic variations are numerous throughout.Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 bullcrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,174 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Oh, *that*'s the bit this is about. Well, it's just a one-note ostinato in Sacre, whereas it's two notes in Jaws. The Dvorak bit is more similar in that regard if you ask me. Anyway, Williams has done a handful of much closer clones of Sacre for Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Well, it's just a one-note ostinato in Sacre, whereas it's two notes in Jaws And that's the only "difference". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mapsljp88 0 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Speaking of La Sacre, does anyone know where to get the 1958 Bernstein recording of it. I have a few others, including the 1973 Bernstein, but I heard that the 1958 recording is the best there is. La Sacre is one of my favorite classical pieces, and one in which I fully appreciate its impact on modern film music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,174 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 It's "le" (French), not "la" (Italian)". And that's the only "difference".Williams: Two notes. Stravinsky: One note/chord. Williams: Every second note syncopated. Stravinsky: Irregular syncopation.Erm. Yes, both are primarily an ostinato... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 And that's the only "difference".Williams: Two notes. Stravinsky: One note/chord. Williams: Every second note syncopated. Stravinsky: Irregular syncopation.Erm. Yes, both are primarily an ostinato...You might as well say that they couldn't be similar because they were recorded in a different hall. Sigh, it's the whole idea of the strings ostinato combined with the identical brass punctuations that makes these two sound awfully similar. Jeez, Marian, I thought you had good ears.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Lousy spammers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 This thread serves no purpose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 no it doesn'tk.M.Who doesn't think Williams rips off dead composers,but vaslty improves on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 The last 4 posts ruined it completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,174 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Jaws is in no way an improvement on Sacre. Westworld (James Newton Howard) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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