Sandor 459 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I know this score is receiving some harsh opinions (especially on this board), but I honestly feel it is one of Williams very best scores. It works fabulous in the film and as stand alone music, especially the concert arrangments that graced the original soundtrack, it has a power and identity all its own. What Georges Delerue couldn't do for Platoon, Williams did for this film (although not an honest comparison considering the fact that Georges was askes to compose a virtual rewrite of Barber's famous Adagio For Strings). I love the three central themes from BOT4OJ. They are all very good and have a melodic and harmonic beauty hardly achieved by any composer. Any other "fans" of this score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 964 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Count me in.I love the string writting and the solo trumpet.It's so very touching, with all his hope and despair, and eventually resolution.By the way, I do believe that Barber's Adagio shines trought this scores, but Williams was able to write his own music, without being just too derivative, and probably that's the reason why he didn't had his music replaced as it ended up hapening with Delerue -- a shame if I may say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AI 0 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Well Doh! As if this isn't one of Williams best scores. I love the score, and the film too! Oliver Stone rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 964 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Well Doh! As if this isn't one of Williams best scores. Â I love the score, and the film too! Oliver Stone rocks.Well, I guess the film is ok for me. But I do love the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,519 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Roald why do you think this score is not appreciated? I have not heard any bad comments about this score from anyone.Personally I love this score. It is a Williams masterpiece which contains some of his most lyrical and passionate writing ever. It has such a soul to it. It is truly one of the most affecting Williams scores. The string work on this score is amazing, both the lyrical and the dissonant. The trumpet solos are played with special gracefulness by Tim Morrison. The music supports the film perfectly and works on its own evoking powerful emotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 1,093 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 It's not only wonderful score , it's also good evidence that Williams doesn't needa full orchestra for every film he scores.It's enough to have string orchestra and some wind instruments to create such an intimate and charming music.(special notice for T.Morrison again)There was a time , that suite(Music for Stage & Screen)was the music I most listened to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 It's a magnficent score, even if you only listen to the 20 something minutes on the original album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,759 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 no Roald its not, its nothing more than a mediocre score to a mediocre film with a mediocre director, and a mediocre actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 1,093 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 ... for mediocre listener... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 459 Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share Posted October 9, 2006 Roald why do you think this score is not appreciated? I have not heard any bad comments about this score from anyone.Well,no Roald its not, its nothing more than a mediocre score to a mediocre film with a mediocre director, and a mediocre actor. More will follow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,519 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I should have trusted Joe to make that critisizing comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 The theme is a bit too stringy,as it's been said.I tend not to listen to the full score but pick out 3 or 3 of my favourite vesion of the theme.k.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Truely beautiful score, one of John's most underappreciated, or is it under-discussed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 13 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I am about to listen to the full score soon, then I will form an opinion about the whole recording. I love the main theme, though. It is spectacular.If I were choose JW's most underappreciated score, it wouldn't be "Bot4thoJ". I would say "Jaws II" - people don't listen to it generally, because the movie was a failure. On the other hand, JW has a great number of such scores, which are worthy listening but hardly known ("Sleepers", "The River", "Cinderella Liberty", "Rosewood"....). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 964 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I love Cinderella Liberty. Really a great score -- a lot of music in the film is still missing a proper release.Born on the 4th of July has two "complete" bootlegs, but many music is misslabled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Composer_Fan 2 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I haven't had the chance to listen to this score by itself, I've only seen it in conjunction with the film.I loved it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro 57 Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 this is one of the most heartwrenching scores he's written, in my opinion. it made the film so much more powerful, and i remember the theme just hanging in my head for days after i saw it. when i finally found the soundtrack at Barnes and Noble and listened to it for the first time i nearly drove off the road it was so moving!i love it! and i've heard complaints that the complete score is too repetitive, which i won't entirely disagree with. but there are still an awful lot of nice unreleased cues on that boot.this should have won an oscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,759 Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 I should have trusted Joe to make that critisizing comment its not a masterpiece.everything John does is not a masterpiece, and those of you who act as if they all are, are foolishly lessoning the value of his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 It has a beautiful main theme, I love Williams main use of strings in the theme. The rest of the score is varations on the theme so it can get a little repetative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 203 Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 I actually only recently was able to appreciate this score as I also just recently picked it up from Barnes and Noble. I really enjoy it, especailly the end credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 I can hear elements of Adagio throughout this score, much like how Platoon used the actual piece. Loved Platoon, btw. Would have been interesting to see what Williams could have done with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 459 Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share Posted October 10, 2006 everything John does is not a masterpiece, and those of you who act as if they all are, are foolishly lessoning the value of his work.Joe, I agree 100% with your statement. However; I don't think people who consider BOT4OJ a "masterpiece" do so, because they consider EVERY Williams score a masterpiece. I don't. I consider BOT4OJ a fantastic, masterful score. But I have a very reserved opinion on many other Williams scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,519 Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 everything John does is not a masterpiece, and those of you who act as if they all are, are foolishly lessoning the value of his work.Joe, I agree 100% with your statement. However; I don't think people who consider BOT4OJ a "masterpiece" do so, because they consider EVERY Williams score a masterpiece. I don't. I consider BOT4OJ a fantastic, masterful score. But I have a very reserved opinion on many other Williams scores.I agree with both of you. I admit that not all JW scores are masterpieces. And it is the personal tastes that matter here. If I think some score is a masterpiece and express my opinion it should not be such a problem. If you do not think so Joe I am OK with that. I know that I come off as an ultimate Williams fan who can't see anything wrong in his work but mostly we are discussing scores that happen to be meaningful and special to me and so I praise them. If we were to discuss about his early 60's comedy scores I might not give such good comments. There is no ultimate truth about the value of music. Some people might treasure something you might consider utter trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 459 Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share Posted October 10, 2006 There is no ultimate truth about the value of music. Some people might treasure something you might consider utter trash.Right on, Incanus. Right on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 243 Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Rosewood is his most underappreciated score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 13 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I have finally listened to the "Bot4thoJ" complete score and I am impressed. While I'd prefer fewer repetitions (but not so few cues that are on the regular album), it is still an extraoridinary thing. The grand main theme is one of his best and their variations reflects such a great range of emotions only enhances music quality. I love Cinderella Liberty. Me too. One of my favourite JW's scores but almost completely unknown among score fans community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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