David Coscina 3 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I would like to point out that this means who is the best at orchestration, counterpoint, harmony, voice leading, rhythm- who has the best grasp of the art of composition and who happens to be working in film today. Obviously I think it's Williams by miles. although I would put Yared and Broughton not too far behind him. I've listed a couple other choices...I only put ZImmer on the list because he's popular although I don't think he has a clue what to do with a real orchestra personally speaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 13 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Williams definitelly. But where is Horner? I am sure JH is more musically technically adept than Zimmer (who- fortunatelly - can conjure great scores without resorting to classical tradition). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Broughton more technically adept than Williams???Ha Ha Ha .Yared...Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha k.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 John Williams. His only real rivals as far as I'm concerned (in terms of technicality) are now dead.Goldsmith was a rival, Herrmann was far better. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVG 0 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Elfman for me, can't really explain why, there's just something in his music that I love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Well, I love Elfman´s music, but I don´think it is even debatable Williams superiority on a technical level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 385 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 John Williams by VERY far. John Corigliano is certainly also highly skilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 If Goldsmith was alive the result would be less clear cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Dennis McCarthy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted October 19, 2006 Author Share Posted October 19, 2006 Horner wasn't included because ripping off other great composers' works doesn't count as technically adept in my books. Forgot Goldenthal although he's not been scoring much lately... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 385 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Goldenthal is also quite skilled. Then again, he is a student of Corigliano's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Dr. Dre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 1,093 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 John Williams by VERY far. John Corigliano is certainly also highly skilled.JW surely.Corigliano's skills I haven't found yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Williams, but really, who'd we expect to win?Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 On a John Williams Forum?Dennis McCarthy, obviously.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Johnny Corig is amazing. To witness this listen toThe monastery from red violin.I can't wait till i get much older and can understand more specifically what Goldsmith had to say. I enjoy it now, just do not get it all yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I've understood Goldsmith since I was 19.Not all at once of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Well then I am jealous of you Steef.I've been on this site non stop for the last 40 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I've been on this site non-stop since the early summer or 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 1,093 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 pi wroteJohnny Corig is amazing. To witness this listen to The monastery from red violinThe Red Violin(concerto version) is on our program this week.I don't get how it won the Oscar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Because Corigliano is a very exotic name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 And i think there was a gay guy in Red Violin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 1,093 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Oh , I see ,that's how it goes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Well, Angela's Ashes would've been a very worthy winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldsmithfan 3 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Goldenthal should have at least been on the list. Even though he hasn't written anything for film in years. He's a wicked good composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Isn´t Debney rather skilled with the orchestra, or Poledouris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 2,083 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 A 'most technically adept' poll, featuring John Williams. On a John Williams fan board.Doesn't take rocket science to see the bias people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted October 19, 2006 Author Share Posted October 19, 2006 Well, Angela's Ashes would've been a very worthy winner.Yes indeed. I totally agree that Angela's Ashes was Williams' home run insofar as quality of music as well as how well it married to picture. then again, I think Geisha is awesome too and I'm still pissed about his loss last year...ah well. I know it's brilliant and that's all that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 But even fan boysms, isn´t it pretty consensual that Williams is technically the most complete composer in Hollywood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Williams is today but Shore, Elfman and Broughton are close behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 385 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Broughton in FAR behind. Shore is VERY FAR behind. Elfman is EXTREMELY FAR behind(technically speaking). Again, we are discussing craft here. I think Elfman is a better composer than Shore, but he isn't a very technically accomplished composer, although he certainly has style. Broughton is technically quite good, but I have yet to be blown away by an achievement of his. I hope I will someday soon. I also like the fact that he keeps busy as a composer of concert music as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 5,520 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 The Red Violin(concerto version) is on our program this week.I don't get how it won the Oscar?Because it deserved it. Ok, that's probably not the reason why it actually did get the Oscar. But it still was a deserved win.As for the poll, of the living regular film composers, this one obviously goes to Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 44 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Apparently 2 people think Elfman is technically adept at orchestration. Hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,064 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Dennis McCarthy!As much as I hate to say it...it could very well be true...I can rarely find a bad technical work on the part of McCarthy, and he has one of the the best graps on the concept of harmony out of any composer alive at the moment. His downfall however is Rick Berman-limited orchestration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 What do you know, John Williams is winning on a John Williams MB. 'Course, I did vote for Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 John Williams by VERY far. John Corigliano is certainly also highly skilled.JW surely.Corigliano's skills I haven't found yet.to be found on "Ghosts of Versailles", "Altered States", his oboe, clarinet and piano concertos and his 3 Symphonies, just to name a few.Yet he doesn't write for movies (only on special occasions, and I really doubt he'll write a film score ever again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 159 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 pi wroteJohnny Corig is amazing. To witness this listen to The monastery from red violinThe Red Violin(concerto version) is on our program this week.I don't get how it won the Oscar?Because it is an amazing piece? :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 And i think there was a gay guy in Red Violin.Who, apart from Corigliano himself? scissorhands, who voted for Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted October 20, 2006 Author Share Posted October 20, 2006 Marcus, what do you think of Elliot Goldenthal's abilities? He was my favorite new composer of the '90s because he had such a unique style. But I have found that he does sound like Mahler (Cobb, Interview with the Vampire) Ligeti and Xenakis (Alien3), Strauss (Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within), Titus (Orff).That said, I love Cobb, Golden Gate, Interview w. The Vampire, Titus, Alien3, Demolition Man, parts of Sphere, Heat, and well, almost everything he's done. I dearly wish he'd do more film scores. Hmm, a Goldenthal Godzilla would be cool. Or King Kong. Or anything really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 385 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I think Elliot Goldenthal is a very interesting composer, and certainly very gifted. I do think that his uniqueness as a film composer lies in his way of perceiving drama, and his ability to create larger structures within a structurally rigid medium. You can sense that he really wants to design shapes of his own, or super-shapes. He has his own "architecture", that while adhering to the requirements of a film, retains a very impressive integrity of its own, that can actually greatly enhance and improve the film (Titus, Interview with the Vampire and Sphere are some very fine examples of this). I also think that he does have an idiom of his own in the use of certain textures and techniques, a lot of them actually modified Corigliano-techniques. I agree that he can at times seem inorganically eclectic, youy can hear that he has a very "post-modern" take on the classical canon ( a little bit of Mahlerian writing here, some Straussian brass writing, a Lutoslawskiesque texture here, etc.). Corigliano will do this too, but Corigliano has a way of transcending his models, creating a unique amalgamation. I do think Goldenthal has a certain melodic and harmonic style of his own, but it is kind of limited, which means that when he "strays" from it, his models tend to shine through a little too brightly. But he is still highly skilled, and quite unique among contemporary Hollywood composers.I too would love to see him do more film scores, but I have to say I am glad to see he maintains a busy career as a concert composer. I'm sure we'll see more scores from him now that "Grendel" is finally done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 159 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Marcus, what do you think of Elliot Goldenthal's abilities? He was my favorite new composer of the '90s because he had such a unique style. But I have found that he does sound like Mahler (Cobb, Interview with the Vampire) Ligeti and Xenakis (Alien3), Strauss (Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within), Titus (Orff).Whoa, his score for "Orff" sounds like Titus? I've never noticed this... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 459 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Because Corigliano is a very exotic name.Finally someone is grasping my "Roaldinian ideas"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,519 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 John Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Williams, I think, is the most technically adept film composer ever, followed, from the list, by Yared and Shore, who are followed by Howard and Elfman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted October 20, 2006 Author Share Posted October 20, 2006 Marcus' date=' what do you think of Elliot Goldenthal's abilities? He was my favorite new composer of the '90s because he had such a unique style. But I have found that he does sound like Mahler (Cobb' date=' Interview with the Vampire) Ligeti and Xenakis (Alien3), Strauss (Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within), Titus (Orff).[/quote'']Whoa, his score for "Orff" sounds like Titus? I've never noticed this... LOLYup, can I type or what? :oops: I think they should hire you to check continuity for film and television. I've seen some pretty bad goof ups on ER lately (girl riding in car without seatbelt, cut to: girl getting out of car but undoing seatbelt before leaving) LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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