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The Themes of Howard Shore's The Lord of the Rings


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The eastern similarity applies to the whole pieces, I think this particular part is more than just that. The shape of the melody is exactly the same as the Mordor theme.

Sorry SUH. That simply isn't true. You are over-interpreting.

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A SUH should know better! It riles up the sensitive and disrupts peaceful thematic harmony concordance we have in here.

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We are lost, lost,' said the LotR music fans. 'No themes, no clear connections, no Precious, nothing. Only empty. Only hungry; yes, we are hungry for clarity. A few little clear themes, not nasty similar sounding little motifs, for a poor creature, and they say death. So wise they are; so just, so very just.

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- "It cannot be seen, cannot be felt,

Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt,

It lies behind stars and under hills,

And empty holes it fills,

It comes first and follows after,

Ends life, kills laughter."

- "It's a theme from The Hobbit!"

I bet Doug's book will be called Riddles in the Dark - The Music of the Hobbit Films.

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No he doesn't mention it because it is entirely unintentional subtextually whether it is the same phrase or not.

So you are still over-interpreting its meaning SUH. ;)

It is a similar situation to when back in the day people thought the chords that play for Merry and Pippin's timely interference at Parth Galen battle was scored by Nature's Reclamation but Doug debunked that theory. Similar but not the same and certainly not the composer's intention.

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it is entirely unintentional subtextually

How do you know that?

Well if you go by Doug's book and the scene itself there is nothing to suggest Mordor in any way. Of course you can start making really far fetched theories based on the observation that the phrase is similar to Mordor theme but when there is absolutely nothing to support it in the film dramatically, it seems somewhat unlikely.

But then again it is art. You can certainly interpret it any way you like. :)

It's Inky. He knows.

And yes of course. I know.

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I have seen it!

And I stick to the "official" interpretation! :P

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It is a similar situation to when back in the day people thought the chords that play for Merry and Pippin's timely interference at Parth Galen battle was scored by Nature's Reclamation but Doug debunked that theory. Similar but not the same and certainly not the composer's intention.

Of course, because it was obviously A Hobbit's Understanding! ;)

And regarding Mordor/Lothlorien, its obviously a trick by the composer to make you wonder if the Lothlorien elves can be trusted! ;)

And to murk things up even more, is 3:50 of Doors of Durin, really the MORIA theme, or the end of DANGEROUS PASSES? (as in 1:39 and 3:27 of The Pass of Caradhras) and if it is DP, is 3:08 of Gandalf the White DP as well!?, IS 3:24 ALSO DP!? ;)

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  • 1 year later...
23 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

(Of course, one could ask: "Why would the Gondor Reborn theme show up in a scene with a Hobbit and a Dwarf hugging?", but everybody should know by now it's better to ignore the Hobbit entirely when it comes to thematic consistency).

That should be called "A Shore Fan's Understanding".

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14 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

The friendship between Dwarf and Hobbit displayed there is like the first spark of the 4th age. Drying the kindling just enough for the flame to erupt later!

And it is implied that it is actually the friendship of Gimli and Legolas that brings about the Fourth Age of Gondor because without Legolas there would be no Gondor or Minas Tirith left.

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