#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Does LOTR need 80 themes?No , ofcourse not, no film needs that much themes.Am I happy Shore has provided 80 themes for me to listen too.HELL YEAH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,978 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Fair enough.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Star Wars has a hell of a lot of themes too, I don't hear anyone complaining about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,978 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Maybe because John Williams pretty much abandoned thematic approach (that's another topic altogether) or maybe because there are about 30 themes in the six pictures. There are many other things happening musically in SW than just themes in these scores and this is telling.Besides, LOTR is not in the same league as SW. And yes, I'm talking about prequel scores also.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Besides, LOTR is not in the same league as SW. And yes, I'm talking about prequel scores also.KarolI'll accept your opinion that the LOTR music is not in the same league as the SW music from the original trilogy.But Shore's music is about 10 times more interesting and good them the Prequel scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,978 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 More fascinating to study? You bet. But more effective in the film? I wouldn't be so sure of that.Karol, who can agree on inferiority of AOTC when compared to LOTR, but not the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 You must be joking?Anyway this is a LOTR thread and I don't wanna turn it into another stupid SW versus LOTR debate.This line of discussion stops NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Besides there are many more interesting things occuring in LOTR than the prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,978 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 You must be joking?Anyway this is a LOTR thread and I don't wanna turn it into another stupid SW versus LOTR debate.This line of discussion stops NOW!If this is indeed the will of the Council, then Gondor will see it done. Karol, whose scheme to destroy this thread is going as planned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Now why do you gotta go and do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,978 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Because I'm evil! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Obviously.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,978 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Oh, one more thing. I'm now listening to the FOTR: CR (and hating every 180 minutes of it ). Is there a direct connection between the little fanfare in the track 4 on disc 2 (Orthanc), when Gandalf escapes, and the one in the beacons scene in ROTK? These passages are very similar. Is it a "mountains theme" or something?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 You must be joking?Anyway this is a LOTR thread and I don't wanna turn it into another stupid SW versus LOTR debate.This line of discussion stops NOW!If this is indeed the will of the Council, then Gondor will see it done. Karol, whose scheme to destroy this thread is going as planned That sounds like trolling, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Oh, one more thing. I'm now listening to the FOTR: CR (and hating every 180 minutes of it ). Is there a direct connection between the little fanfare in the track 4 on disc 2 (Orthanc), when Gandalf escapes, and the one in the beacons scene in ROTK? These passages are very similar. Is it a "mountains theme" or something?KarolProbably not, since Gandalf doesn't escape from a mountain, but a tower.FOTR and ROTK have a mountain theme, though it's been edited out of ROTK completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,978 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 But there are mountains in the background and it continues when we see one of these awful CGI shots of the eagle flying, which looks almost like Call pf the Champions cover...Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 You must be joking?Anyway this is a LOTR thread and I don't wanna turn it into another stupid SW versus LOTR debate.This line of discussion stops NOW!If this is indeed the will of the Council, then Gondor will see it done. Karol, whose scheme to destroy this thread is going as planned That sounds like trolling, you know.Then you must use your moderator powers to prevent it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 I don't realkly think there is a connection, other then both being fanfaric themes composed by Shore.But what's the deal here, first you claim to intensly dislike these scores and even plan to ruin this thread (which is very disrespectfull to Jason6285's work) and now you are attempting to get into an actual debate about aspects of the score?It's one thing or the other mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Agreed. Bad form, Crocodile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,978 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 It always bothered me, that's all. The fanfare, I mean.And I respect Jason6285's work. My points have nothing to do with him. I thought that discussion about themes on this thread is needed. I guess I was wrong. Criticism is not necessarilly a sign of disrespect. Quite the opposite. I tried to make this thread more interesting. That's all.You actually believed in my grand scheme? And when did I say that I "intensly dislike these scores"? Not counting posts with smileys, I mean.Sorry Jason6285 Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Damn you, internet sarcasm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 You actually believed in my grand scheme? And when did I say that I "intensly dislike these scores"? Not counting posts with smileys, I mean.KarolNo your smileys gave your dastardly none plans away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 The misuse of smileys can make or break a dastardly evil plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,158 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 It's an extreme example of leitmotif approach. I thought it is clear.No more extreme than Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen - and that guy is generally credited with "inventing" the leitmotif approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,978 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Yes, but we're talking about film scores here.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,267 Posted November 6, 2006 Author Share Posted November 6, 2006 crocodile said: Sorry Jason6285 No problem, and by all means everyone, just call me Jay! I think that if people want to debate the merits of Shore's score to LOTR, they should do it in a different thread. A thread designed for debating the merits of his score. This thread should be a discussion of the themes in his score, talking about the ones mentioned in the liner notes, trying to figure out if there are any others, figuring out where they all are on the CDs, etc. I guess that's what I get for posting my list on JW message board and not a Howard Shore or LOTR message board though, eh? What can I say, this board is like home to me, I've been posting since 1999! (3 or 4 message board softwares ago when it was called "Star Wars - Episode 1: The Music", anyone remember that?) Anyway, I just updated the first 2 posts in this thread. First post now contains the themes from the first disc of TTT. It's by no means complete, as its just what I noticed while listening to it tonight while formatting post 2 and doing other things on the computer. So its really only the obvious themes from FOTR that I've spotted so far. Speaking of the second post, it's now complete, so check it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Yes, but we're talking about film scores here. Is there any reason why a film score can't follow the same structure as an opera? And besides, I don't think film scores have any less musical value than other musical works.I thought the times of using the term "film score" in a demeaning way are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Very good point, who says films should only have 4 or 5 themes?Besides, these days we are lucky to get 1 or 2 halfway decent themes in a score.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Sometimes we get none at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,158 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Yes, but we're talking about film scores here.I fail to see the difference. The Two Towers - The Complete Recordings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Well, as long as she buys the set ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 She? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Isn't Karol a woman's name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Maybe not where Karol is from. After all, Marian is male. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Isn't Karol a woman's name?If that was the case, there would have been a female pope until last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Might wanna check the profile thread under Karol's entry.Of course for the longest time people thought Marian was a she. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 She is?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 It's a known scientific fact that women do not last as regular JWFan posters. Scientists are baffled as to why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 I wonder why...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 JWfangirl still posts here, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diskobolus 3 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Jason, this is really cool, I'll be following this. IMO the most useful thing missing here is a musical transcription of each theme / theme snippet here. Then people can look at those notes while going through the breakdown and have it in their heads.You obviously don't have the Fellowship Complete Recordings set, do you? Actually I do have them, but I have them as an advance promo copy that I got through my college paper. That was just the discs without the liner notes.Does anyone else think it's a shame that the extended music isn't on the "Complete Recordings"? To me Houses of Healing is one of the most gorgeous cues in the entire work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,267 Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 diskobolus said: Does anyone else think it's a shame that the extended music isn't on the "Complete Recordings"? To me Houses of Healing is one of the most gorgeous cues in the entire work. I'm not sure what you mean. The Complete Recordings sets DO contain all the music from the extended edition of the films, and the ROTK set isn't out until next year. "Fangorn" from TTT:TCR. I love all this unused music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diskobolus 3 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 If this is true then that's great. For some reason I thought it was only the score for the theatrical edition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTallJodie 59 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Nope. Case and point, the entire "Sons of the Steward" track on the TTT CR, for the Boromir / Faramir scene that's not even remotely in the theatrical version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 No it is for the EE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 I'm surprised you didn't know, Diskobulus. At the first mention of the possibility of these sets it was already made clear it would be all the music from the EEs. I think Shore already mentioned it back in 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Not everyone spends 24/7 on the internet like some of do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Well, yes, but seeing how it was first mentioned about 4 years ago, you'd think by know everyone would have picked up on it by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Apparently not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Idiots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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