The Complete Star Trek VI

[BLUMENKOHL 1,064]

Listening to it as I type this. Crystal clear sound quality!

Didn't even believe such a thing existed, so imagine my giddyness at the moment.

My favorite ST soundtrack behind TMP!

Track listing:

1. Main Title 2:58

2. An Incident (Film Version) 1:06

3. Spacedock 0:19

4. Clear All Moorings 1:38

5. Arrival of Kronos One 3:10

6. Guess Who's Coming 0:47

7. Assasinations 2:15

8. Surrender for Peace 2:46

9. Death of Gorkon 2:05

10. The Trial 1:03

11. Morally Unjust Evidence 0:29

12. The Sentencing 1:01

13. Rura Penthe Part I 2:14

14. Rura Penthe Part II 1:52

15. Alien Fight 1:00

16. Finding a Clue 0:41

17. Escape from Rura Penthe 5:32

18. Kirk Versus Kirk 1:13

19. Revealed 2:47

20. The Mind Meld 2:06

21. Dining on Ashes 0:59

22. The Battle for Peace Part I 4:10

23. The Battle for Peace Part II 2:30

24. The Battle for Peace Part III 1:32

25. The Undiscovered Country 1:32

26. Finale - Sign Off 3:13

27. End Credits 6:16

28. Guess Who's Coming (Alternate) 0:48

29. Assasinations (Film Version) 2:13

30. Death of Gorkon (Alternate) 0:21

31. Rura Penthe Part I (Film Version) 2:15

32. Revealed (Alternate) 0:29

33. The Battle for Peace Part II (Alternate 1) 1:05

34. The Battle for Peace Part II (Alternate 2) 2:21

35. The Battle for Peace Part III (Film Version) 1:32

36. Sign Off (Alternate Ending) 1:10

Total: 70 mins.

[crocodile 6,294]

It is only 70 mins?

Karol

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

So it's finally come out, has it.

Got this a while ago. It's a good bootleg.

But it's doesn't make me feel any differently about the score, which is hailed by some as a masterpiece, but is merely....good.

[Pieter Boelen 633]

Where'd you find that?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

I'm not gonna share that piece of info.

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

I have only listened to it from front to end once, but it did not live up to what I had been told about it. It's not bad at all, mind you. But like Steef said, it is merely... good.

That's my first impression, anyway. Although again, I don't mean that in a negative way.

- Marc, who seems to have a looong "to listen" list these days.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

As a listening experience it's trashed by James Horner's Trek score for the same director.

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

Definitely. But I think a lot of scores would get trashed by TWOK.

- Marc, who needs to get Horner's Trek III.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,064]

One of the biggest reasons it is a masterpiece is because it is a score to a style of film that is often accompanied by boring suspense and brooding music. But it's not boring. It maintains subtlty and darkness and is still interesting.

I find it to be on par with TWOK, but because I have a natural tendency towards darker music, I prefer it over TWOK.

I bet neither of you find Thirteen Days by Trevor Jones to be amazing either. Matter of taste.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

It's more conventional then TWOK, and doesn't have the excitement of that score.

The Battle For Peace is good, but it's no were near as breathtaking as Battle In The Mutara Nebula.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,064]

Well of course comparing Prokofiev to a 26 year old Eidelman is unfair.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Didn't Eidelman "find inspiration" from The Planets and Stravinski?

[Marian Schedenig 5,520]

The opening rhythm is from Mars, and the arpeggio in the same cue is the inverted arpeggio from Stravinsky's Firebird, but that's about it I think.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Well there you go.

Also, this bootleg is not actually complete. It is missing the music were the Enterprise crew are turning the ship inside out, looking for gravity boots.

So Vosk will be annoyed with this.

[Trent B 317]

I know about that missing cue. I'm not to terribly annoyed by it. I think though it might have been tracked from an alternate cue of the Opening Titles, which is the only missing alternate cue that I do not have.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,064]

Man, you all are supposed to be telling me about this stuff.

I feel like I'm late to the party.

What other unreleased scores do you all have hidden from me? A complete Wrath of Khan? The Final Frontier maybe? Generations?

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

Oh, not much. Just some 1984 Williams score labeled Indy 2. Whatever the hell that is. Haven't listened to it yet.

- Marc, who's quite aware that isn't actually funny at all.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

A complete Wrath of Khan?  The Final Frontier maybe?  Generations?

None of these are currently out there, available to any of us.

Sadly.

[Vaderbait1 1]

I hope eventually they do turn up though.

I love Star Trek VI, but it's definitely darker, so many won't consider it a Masterpiece. I don't, but it's a damn good score. The only downside is that the "alternates" of the Battle For Peace are identical, except for maybe a second of strings or something at the very beginning. THe complete score doesn't add all that much to it, but it definitely doesn't hurt!

[Ollie 859]

I'm suprised Star Trek V isn't available considering the amount of Goldsmith bootlegs that are out there.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Most of these are bootlegs of "newer" Goldsmith scores.

I hope eventually they do turn up though.

I love Star Trek VI, but it's definitely darker, so many won't consider it a Masterpiece. I don't, but it's a damn good score.  

It's not that, it's just that it's not good enough, not substantial, profound or exciting enough to deserve the term masterpiece.

It's a good score, for a good film.

THE END.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,064]

To each his own. I suppose.

As far as unreleased scores, one of my greatest regrets in my soundtrack life is my loss of the Voyager Scorpion CD, from 1999. It was from the man Jay Chattaway himself. :cry:

<- What I want to do everytime I remember.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

As far as unreleased scores, one of my greatest regrets in my soundtrack life is my loss of the Voyager Scorpion CD, from 1999.  It was from the man Jay Chattaway himself.   :cry:

you had that score...on CD?

and you lost it?

No...NOOOOOOOO...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Didn't you make a copy of it or something?

I've wanted that for years.

[Trent B 317]

HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW Could you loose a CD like THAT!?!?!?!?!?!?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Indeed!

[BLUMENKOHL 1,064]

This was back before I was endowed with my first CD burner. Lost it in between a move to a new house. It, along with my Glory CD became a victim of not following the "FRAGILE" warning.

Like I said, it's one of those things that still makes me feel rage and sadness when I'm reminded.

Saddest part of all? I only enjoyed it for 3 months.

[Trent B 317]

Is there any way you could contact Jay Chattaway again and try to get another copy? Just explain your situation....

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Did you look for it?

I mean...really look for it?

BTW, was this for part 1 and 2?

[BLUMENKOHL 1,064]

Did you look for it?

I mean...really look for it?

BTW, was this for part 1 and 2?

Oh I found it...it was just...in a couple of pieces.

And yes it was parts I and II.

Is there any way you could contact Jay Chattaway again and try to get another copy? Just explain your situation....

I've tried. He's fallen off the face of the earth. I originally got his e-mail/AOL screen name from Ron Moore when he used to hang around the AOL messageboards and talked on IM as "rondmoore."

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Well thanks you then for sending me that one cue that you did have...

Pretty odd though....

[BLUMENKOHL 1,064]

Y'know, I just sent him another e-mail for the hell of it. Let's see if daotffup replies.

[Indiana_Fett 0]

A complete Wrath of Khan?  The Final Frontier maybe?  Generations?

None of these are currently out there, available to any of us.

Sadly.

Am I the only one who wants the cue when The Enterprise is blowing the shit out of The Reliant in the nebula? That's an awesome cue.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

No obviously you are not.

[Indiana_Fett 0]

Ah, good. I also want that one where Kirk and co. are on the shuttle.

[Ollie 859]

A complete Star Trek II and III would probably be on most people's wish list. I would love to ave the unreleased Genesis material from III.

[Vaderbait1 1]

I"m not that much of a fan of III, but I'd REALLY want a TWOK complete release. I sort of view 90% of TSFS as a poor mans TWOK.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

You are obviously in error!

[Vaderbait1 1]

Obviously!

[Red 73]

It is just his opinion.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Opinions are often wrong!

[Red 73]

In some situations, yes. In this one? No.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

And you are?

[Red 73]

A red colored rabbit.

[Morlock 9]

A question- I have all the ST scores, and like most of them, but I have no idea what you're talking about with these unreleased cues. What does that makes me (Aside from numbnuts, naturally)- a bad Trekkie, or not a Trekkie at all, just a dude who kind of likes ST and likes ST score a lot?

[Ollie 859]

A person who doesn't have any bootlegs.

[Morlock 9]

I actually do have a bootleg of First Contact (though I've never listened to it).

[Ollie 859]

Shame on you.

[Morlock 9]

Hey, I didnt' notice the unreleased stuff in particular during the film. I got the bootleg since people told me how good it was....I don't have much specific insentive to listen to, as I don't know what to expect. Feel free to recommend me a couple of unreleased cues worth checking out, maybe they'll get me into the score.

[John Crichton 4]

I'm with Steef and Marc, VI isn't great, merely good. In fact there's some parts of the OST that I find quite dull.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,064]

The best stuff of First Contact is unreleased.

Especially Joel Goldsmith's "Flight of the Phoenix"