Bespin 8,472 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 11 hours ago, Edmilson said: I'd say it's more like 70% Zimmer and 30% JNH. So Zimmer got the final word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 The cue sheets will tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 982 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Batman Begins is one of the few HZ & crew scores that have no proper cue credits within ASCAP. Every listing for the film credits every involved composer on each track. And while the track list from the sheets do list cues that JNH worked on, some pieces aren't indicative of the final versions that Zimmer and whoever else worked on instead for the finished score. Whilst BB was a better meld of the two composers sounds than TDK, I think it's usually fairly obvious when it is James or Hans. Here's a lengthy post Hybrid Soldier made on the original H-Z site for what he speculates the final credits would've been: Spoiler Soooo ok let's dive into the big post... As I said before, it's not correct science, more like a tentative analysis based on facts & thoughts... But if it can help some curious people... Let's start with the suites (the suites we KNOW of, probably a few more were written) : HERO THEME - Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard Mostly Hans in there, but there's something very clever at 2:21, as you have the HZ theme (the one that mostly vanished in the 2 other films, except in choir boy mode and the 2 "Final Confrontations" with Joker & Talia) played with the brass, intertwined with a JNH theme played by the strings. RA’S AL GHUL SUITE - Hans Zimmer, Ramin Djawadi The first 3 minutes is something Ramin Djawadi wrote, jamming with Martin Tillman's cello. At (3:02) starts a Hans piece. Source ? Hans himself. So now the score. I give credit to Mel where it's "most obvious" cues he handled, but he's virtually everywhere in that score. OPENING TITLES - Mel Wesson Pure Mel here, batflaps & co. YOUNG BRUCE FALLS - Hans Zimmer Infamous ostinato / 2 notes motif. PRISON NIGHTMARE - Hans Zimmer First appearance of a subtheme (aka "Ice" theme) that'll become the main theme of TDK & TDKR. MEETING DUCARD - Ramin Djawadi First part of the Ra's suite. THE LONG WALK - Hans Zimmer Reprise of Young Bruce Falls. MONASTERY - Mel Wesson, Hans Zimmer Ambient & percs, definitely Mel, brief use of HZ's 2 notes motif at (2:06) FATHER TO THE RESCUE - James Newton Howard All good things Bruce Wayne (linked to his family, Rachel...) by JNH introduced here BRUCE’S DISCOMFORT - Mel Wesson Dark ambient, Mel. MUGGING (PART 1) - Mel Wesson Dark ambient, Mel again. MUGGING (PART 2) - GORDON COMFORTS BRUCE - Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard First tricky cue, includes HZ themes (0:06) & (1:11) & JNH (1:58). The cue tends to JNH's style but is in fact closer to a "classy" HZ. So... Hans. Could be Ramin that just blended the two. TRAINING - Hans Zimmer, Ramin Djawadi Second apparition of the "Ice" theme. Cue was co-written by Ramin, that's a fact. CAMPFIRE - BRUCE GOES HOME - James Newton Howard, Hans Zimmer Cue is definitely JNH, brief use of HZ's Ra's theme at (0:37). COURTHOUSE (PART 1) - James Newton Howard, Hans Zimmer Cue is again JNH, using a bunch of HZ things (the beginning choir & the motif from the Hero Theme at (1:53)). COURTHOUSE (PART 2) (MISSING CUE) - James Newton Howard, Mel Wesson Very cool missing cue, starting with Mel’s movie intro and going to a very dark JNH arrangement of his own Father To The Rescue. YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN - Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard That's more Hans, but uses a James motif at (0:26), which is a different pitch version of the Father To The Rescue piano. MEETING FALCONE - James Newton Howard, Hans Zimmer, Mel Wesson Can’t really make it up with that track. Starts with JNH’s theme until (0:11), then goes on with what Hans apparently continuated from it (0:15-0:35), big drama part. There’s a lot of Mel. But the whole track could be something Ramin or Lorne arranged. DECISION - Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard Cue is definitely HZ. JNH theme used at (1:05). HIDE IN THE DARK - James Newton Howard Low key JNH with Mel’s ambient. INITIATION INTO LEAGUE - James Newton Howard Again pure JNH here. TEMPLE FIGHT - SAVING DUCARD - James Newton Howard, Hans Zimmer JNH unleashes madness. HZ motifs heard here (Hero Theme at (1:18) and some Ra’s at (2:44)). RETURN TO GOTHAM - James Newton Howard Not much to say here. Mel's ambient used here. CRANE WARNS RACHEL (PART 1) - James Newton Howard Same as the previous one. CRANE WARNS RACHEL (PART 2) - Mel Wesson Scarecrow ! Scarecrow ! THE BAT CAVE - Hans Zimmer Yes, Hans. JNH wrote a version 1 of this. But it’s version 8... WAYNE ENTERPRISES - James Newton Howard JNH territory. PROTOTYPES - James Newton Howard, Ramin Djawadi, Hans Zimmer Beginning is very JNH, but the electro arrangement of the track at (0:31) sounds too Djawadi not to be. Use of HZ’s 2 notes motif at (1:09). PREPARING EQUIPMENTS - Hans Zimmer, Mel Wesson, James Newton Howard Mel flaps start the cue. Cue is more Hans territory (maybe with Lorne). JNH theme shows at (0:44). I’M NO RAT - BATMAN VISITS GORDON (MISSING CUE) - Hans Zimmer, Mel Wesson More Mel Flaps. Hans cue. Reprised almost identital in TDK, track LSI Extraction. I NEED YOU AT THE DOCKS - WHY BATS? - Hans Zimmer, Mel Wesson Still Mel flaps, cue is HZ. DOCKYARD AMBUSH (PART 1) - James Newton Howard, Mel Wesson Quite a lot of Mel in there too, but the classy dark orchestration reminds us JNH's in the place. DOCKYARD AMBUSH (PART 2) - Hans Zimmer Well, probably the most epic rendition of HZ’s Hero theme. Too short. RACHEL ATTACKED - Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, James Newton Howard A lot going on in that cue, mashing up very different things. The electro starting the track (straight out of Angels & Demons) tells me the thing was arranged by Lorne. JNH theme shows up at (1:19). MICROWAVE STOLEN - James Newton Howard JNH’s more ambient dark writing. MEETING RACHEL - James Newton Howard No debate here. JNH. CRANE’S MASK - Mel Wesson Scarecrow motif. GORDON AT HOME - James Newton Howard JNH arranging his theme pretty dark. FINCH IS KILLED (MISSING CUE) - Hans Zimmer, Mel Wesson My fav missing cue. Starts with a classy variation of that theme from the beginning of The Bat Cave. Then a soft arrangement of the epic part of the Hero Theme underlined by Mel’s flaps. BATMAN ON FIRE - Hans Zimmer, Mel Wesson Scarecrow poisoning sounds by Mel. But the track is very Hans. Theme from Meeting Falcone (and a part of it can be heard at the end of Mugging Pt 2). Reprised in the Moody Bruce suite in TDKR. FINDERS KEEPERS (PART 1) - James Newton Howard Softer JNH back. FINDERS KEEPERS (PART 2) - Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard (0:37) Arrangement of the Hero Theme by Hans (could be Lorne arranging). JNH theme popping full force at (0:36). FOX IS FIRED - James Newton Howard Reprise of Prototypes. Unless it was written before. MAKING MEDICINE - Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson, James Newton Howard Most of it is Mel Wesson’s ambient. But I have no doubt that cue is Lorne. That high strings writing at (1:53) is so typical of him. JNH theme popping at (1:06). FIGHT IN CRANE’S LAB (PART 1) - Hans Zimmer, Mel Wesson Mostly Mel’s ambient in there again, but the structure of the cue is very HZ. FIGHT IN CRANE’S LAB (PART 2) - Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe Hans & Lorne, definitely. FIGHT IN CRANE’S LAB (PART 3) - Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe Same as the previous one. BACK UP - Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, James Newton Howard Known fact that the cue was handled by Lorne arranging HZ. JNH’s usual theme pops in at (0:25) BATMOBILE CHASE - Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, James Newton Howard Lorne’s arrangement of the Hero Theme, HZ & JNH are everywhere in the mix. RACHEL IN BAT CAVE - James Newton Howard After so much action, back to some more quieter JNH... YOUR FATHER’S NAME - James Newton Howard ... which continues here. CRANE INTERROGATED - Mel Wesson More flaps & more Scarecrow. DUCARD APPEARS - Ramin Djawadi Back to the first part of Ra’s. DUCARD AND GOTHAM’S FATE - Ramin Djawadi, Hans Zimmer More Ra’s. HZ theme popping at (2:49) BRUCE LEFT FOR DEAD - STILL HAVEN’T GIVEN UP - James Newton Howard JNH madness all the way. RACHEL GIVES GORDON THE ANTIDOTE - Ramin Djawadi, Mel Wesson, James Newton Howard A lot of Mel in here, Ramin’s Ra’s at (1:51)... JNH theme popping at (3:06) BATMAN ARRIVES - Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson Hans & Lorne. Some Scarecrow ambient from Mel. BATMAN RESCUES RACHEL - FIGHT WITH LEAGUE - Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, James Newton Howard (2:00) More Hero Theme arrangements, means JNH theme shows up at (2:00) for instance. That cue sounds like a real Hans & Lorne combo. A bit of Mel sounds. TRAIN FIGHT - Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, James Newton Howard More & more Hero Theme mapped here & definitely arranged by LB. A cool arrangement of that JNH theme at (0:50). FINAL CONFRONTATION - Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, James Newton Howard Lorne action frenzy using themes from Batman Visits Gordon, Back Up or JNH (0:20). TRAIN CRASH - Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, James Newton Howard More Lorne action. Reprise of that HZ subtheme from Meeting Falcone / Batman On Fire, & JNH theme at (0:28). DANGER OVER - Hans Zimmer Classy 2 notes motif to breathe for a minute. SURVEYING THE RUINS - James Newton Howard 100% James concluding Bruce Wayne. GORDON SAYS THANKS - Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard And HZ concluding Batman, JNH theme shows at (0:23). On 2/26/2021 at 1:59 PM, Jay said: That information used to all be located and easy to find at hans-zimmer.com, but a month or 2 ago they launched a completely new version of the website and all that information got wiped out The regular information the old website held is still easily accessible on the main site. It's just that with the way they've decided to pretty much store all the info, it's not easy to get the exact page you want to link to without having to manually comb through the discography/team section yourself. I doubt this link gets you to where I want it to go, for instance (as in the album itself, and not the general composer page). What is missing so far is all the comments that were made on the old site, which admittedly is where the bread and butter of most of the credit discussions stemmed from. Given a lot of the oldest comments from the early years of the site weren't archived the best, I doubt they've been erased for good. But I am imagining there's some serious compatibility issues that's preventing them from being reinstated faster. Edmilson and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 It ain't no big time, but it's growing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,322 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Bespin said: It ain't no big time, but it's growing! You should really get hold of his efforts for the M. Night Shymalan movies if you haven't already. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Now I can read the spines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 New interview on Jon Burlingame's podcast. Talks mostly about RAYA AND THE LAST DRAGON, and a little bit about what to expect from the upcoming JUNGLE CRUISE. Luka and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, LSH said: what to expect from the upcoming JUNGLE CRUISE What he said sounds really promising! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,267 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 What did he say about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Basically that it's a big exotic thematic score in the spirit of RAIDERS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 And that there's basically EVERYTHING in this score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 18 minutes ago, Bespin said: Everything? JNH be like: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,370 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Yeah, he said he was inspired by Raiders, and he was really proud of that score. Apparently he wrote a lot of music as well, so hopefully we'll get a 2 disc OST album Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,267 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Wow, really looking forward to this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Even though I find the Rock to be unwatchable, I will watch this film to hear JNH's music! Edit: I listened to JNH's entire podcast interview. This is a very intelligent and thoughtful and humble man. For a man so talented, he's so bereft of ego. JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Let's just stop and appreciate this wonderful gem of a score from JNH. Stunning themes, gorgeous orchestration, pure whimsy, adventure and drama. One of my favourite scores from him. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,454 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Yes, it's a pretty good score. One of the better ones post-VILLAGE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 I’m a big fan of this one too. The Swimming cue is epic and the action music at the end is top notch stuff in the vein of KING KONG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc 758 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Always wanted to transcribe and record that fantastic cue Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will 2,215 Posted September 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2021 Edmilson, WampaRat and Drawgoon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Interesting project. Wonder what kind of a score this will be. Also, remember how JNH is scoring the freaking WILLOW series??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 216 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 In that case I'm hoping he's scoring one of the Star Wars shows too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,370 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, WampaRat said: Interesting project. Wonder what kind of a score this will be. I'm wondering that myself. I think it either will be a small piano and strings score, or a homage to the Williams scores for Lucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,506 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 JNH Star Wars next pls Drawgoon and Luka 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,133 Posted October 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2021 I'm currently at intermission in a concert randomly called Zimmer vs Williams. And they were introducing Batman, and the conductor said, "Christopher Nolan had to choose a composer for the job, and the only man for the job was Hans Zimmer. As a JNH fanboy to the ultimate heights, things like that make me explode internally lol. I was sat there saying to myself, "well he LITERALLY WASN'T the only man for the job, because fu**ing JNH did it too!" Haha. And then to rub it in even more, they played a piece from Batman Begins that was clearly by JNH lol. I love nothing more than Film score concerts, but damn they test my patience sometimes when my know-it-all side comes out and I can't help but judge anyone with inaccurate information or lack of knowledge. Luka, Tom Guernsey and toothless 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 To be fair, Nolan did choose Zimmer, and Zimmer then brought on Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,370 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Cool! https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=411173470452693&set=a.242483000655075 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliandra 90 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 New interview with James Newton Howard: https://edithbowman.com/2021/12/episode-280-composer-james-newton-howard-discusses-his-career/ In that interview he says that Thomas Newman's score for The Shawshank Redemption made him want to quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Ah yes, and this other Newman score made him want to quilt. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,370 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 JNH is working on a new album with Josh Groban, unclear if this is for a movie or not: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,267 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 It's not unclear at all, it's very clear - he says "his new album". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Yes seems obvious that Groban hired JNH to do arranging and/or conducting. I guess it's possible that JNH also wrote a song or songs for the album too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc 758 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 My little Hn/Tpt cover of this great cue ! Once and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Does anybody know what this George Lucas / ILM documentary is that JNH mentions he's scored (at 1:06:21)? I can't seem to find any information about it, or even evidence that it exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 47 minutes ago, LSH said: Does anybody know what this George Lucas / ILM documentary is that JNH mentions he's scored (at 1:06:21)? I can't seem to find any information about it, or even evidence that it exists. There's a ton of media articles about it, but they all originate with this Podcast as the source: https://collider.com/george-lucas-docuseries-ilm-lawrence-kasdan/ https://screenrant.com/george-lucas-documentary-star-wars-lawrence-kasdan-details/ https://www.slashfilm.com/608149/docuseries-about-george-lucas-and-ilm-coming-from-director-lawrence-kasdan/ https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2021/09/george-lucas-ilm-documentary-lawrence-kasdan.html https://comicbook.com/starwars/news/empire-strikes-back-writer-lawrence-kasdan-to-direct-docuseries-george-lucas/ No mention of it on Kasdan's imdB. I wonder if it was supposed to be a secret and JNH spilled the beans lol. LSH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,667 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Surprising to hear that he didn't write the melody for The Hanging Tree. That's pretty much the only element of the music from Mockingjay (either part) that I really liked. (just after 42 mins in the video) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,267 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 That's been known since it came out. The end credits of the film correctly credits who wrote it, as does the OST album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,667 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Well it was surprising to me then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,267 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Can someone ELI5 this? James Newton Howard Film Score Catalog Acquired By Multimedia Music In Wake Of $100M Fundraising Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 So a company made a deal with JNH, but they don't have enough money to pay him his $100M? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Jay said: Can someone ELI5 this? James Newton Howard Film Score Catalog Acquired By Multimedia Music In Wake Of $100M Fundraising I literally have no idea what any of this means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,267 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Glad I'm not the only one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,370 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Does that mean all JNH music will now be exclusive to a single streaming service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I THINK this is a rights holding company that basically bought JNH's copyrights or whatever. Like how JW's camp has to approve every release that contains his music, that company now has the rights to JNH's music catalog and JNH doesn't have any personal say in how his music is released. Conceivably, they could also pursue reissues and expansions being the rights holders. Rights holding companies are buying up catalogs for a lot of artists because pretty much the only way to make any kind of good money from streaming services is to own A LOT OF MUSIC on those services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,267 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 But the confusing parts is, a film score is commissioned by the production company making the film, and they own it, not the composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jay said: But the confusing parts is, a film score is commissioned by the production company making the film, and they own it, not the composer. Yeah I'm really not sure how it works for film composers, I've only seen coverage of these kind of deals for pop artists before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,667 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I read through that article expecting to understand what it meant. Nope, no idea either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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