Ollie 1,059 Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I was just enjoying the phenomenal "The Egg Travels" earlier today. Sigh...easily as good as many of Williams' best cues. 8OShhhh, not so loud you don't wanna stir up things....^_^I'm somewhat looking forward to JNH's score to The Water Horse. The film looks like it might be kinda fun as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 With "The Water Horse" and "I Am Legend" coming soon, James Newton Howard is poised to have a big Winter. I think each of these films will provide him lucrative opportunities for a wide range of music, from quieter, more emotional passages to big action pieces. I'm looking forward to it!Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfoxden 0 Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 I finally got the Complete Dinosaur score (Except for the "End Credits" ) but it has a cue called, "Pushing and Shoving". It's 38 seconds long. Does anyone know if it was used in the movie or if it's an unused cue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 With "The Water Horse" and "I Am Legend" coming soon, James Newton Howard is poised to have a big Winter. I think each of these films will provide him lucrative opportunities for a wide range of music, from quieter, more emotional passages to big action pieces. I'm looking forward to it!TedDon't forget his incredible score to Michael Clayton. I feel this score has been virtually unheard in this forum. More people must listen to it's awesomeness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 What in god's name are you talking about? How is that synth-droning 'awesomeness'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 Don't forget his incredible score to Michael Clayton. I feel this score has been virtually unheard in this forum. More people must listen to it's awesomeness!Either that was sarcasm, or you're 5 times the JNH fan I am.I've heard a couple of cues from it, and well, it was nearly sleep inducing. Clemmenson gave it 1 star and he's generally kind to JNH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
standbyfax 0 Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 Michael Clayton worked well enough in the film but it's beyond boring away from the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 I will have to respectfully disagree.Just because it's a quiet score hardly means it's boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 It starts nowhere and goes nowhere. It existed in the film as a vague back-drop (also known as 'sound design'). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 Still doesn't mean it's boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 Maybe not. But it is still boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 Haven't heard it, but that's the type of JNH score I would expect to be absolutely unremarkable, and totally unrepresentative of the talent he displays so vibrantly in his non-thriller scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 It's very good, IMO. I suggest you take a listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I suggest you spend your time doing something more productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 The last cue, 25 Dollar's Worth, is actually quite good. I recommend those who use iTunes to spend the $0.99. It'll surely be on my personal "Best Film Music of 2007" album, which to this point is pretty short.Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 My list has been pretty short the last 8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 The last cue, 25 Dollar's Worth, is actually quite good. I recommend those who use iTunes to spend the $0.99. It'll surely be on my personal "Best Film Music of 2007" album, which to this point is pretty short.TedThen you should get At World's End and OotP, my two favorite scores of 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 8, 2007 Author Share Posted November 8, 2007 I saw Michael Clayton on Sunday, and I honestly didn't even know Howard had scored this until I saw the end credits. I didn't even notice a musical cue (which is technically a good thing, I suppose) until the end during the cab ride when the strings came swelling in. In that sense the music was effective in the film. I don't know enough about it on its own terms to make any further judgement calls. It's hard to be too abrasive about music that was created more as incidental music for a movie, than what it would sound like outside the film away from its source.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Jay Russell just posted a few short videos from the Water Horse scoring sessions on MySpace. There's a bit of the score in each clip, and what small amount there is sounds really great! I think I hear a theme, right at the beginning of the first clip, and about a third of the way through the third when the choir softens.Video 1Video 2Video 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Can't wait for December, JNH gets 2 releases in 1 day!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 I assume you mean Charlie Wilson's War and The Great Debaters...I just found out about them today, I had no idea he had other projects coming out so soon. I wonder what they'll be like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Jay Russell just posted a few short videos from the Water Horse scoring sessions on MySpace. There's a bit of the score in each clip, and what small amount there is sounds really great! I think I hear a theme, right at the beginning of the first clip, and about a third of the way through the third when the choir softens.Video 1Video 2Video 3 The choir sounds very Hornerish to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 But it's not Horner's sound that's bad, it's the fact that he's so repetitive. JNH is entitled to use Horner's sound for one movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 But then it's not good JNH. Howard at his best is amazing. But too often, he doesn't write with his unique voice. I am not gonna judge the score by a minute long clip. But it doesn't help my fears that this score is gonna be another colorful, thematic, yet un-unique JNH score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Jay Russell just posted a few short videos from the Water Horse scoring sessions on MySpace. There's a bit of the score in each clip, and what small amount there is sounds really great! I think I hear a theme, right at the beginning of the first clip, and about a third of the way through the third when the choir softens.Video 1Video 2Video 3 The choir sounds very Hornerish to me.Actually it almost sounds like Silvestri's The Abyss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 You're right, that too. I guess I'm just more used to Horner's soft choir stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 Sounds brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeNewGuy 0 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 I'm not particularly enthused by anything I heard, but it didn't sound bad. I'll definitely pick it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 I wonder if we'll get a score release for I Am Legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 Then you should get At World's End and OotP, my two favorite scores of 2007.With all due respect to both composers and all others, these were also about the only two scores this year that left any impression, and may it just be an impression of extreme derivation.Anyway, I recently discovered Newton Howard's "Atlantis", is that one worth getting/hearing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 It's ok, if you're a JNH fan I'd say yes but its nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 I really like the adventurous, swashbuckling music dominating the first half of that album...some great, classic JNH action writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 The second half is IMHO, by far, the highlight of the album. Tracks like The Crystal Chamber and Milo and Kida's Questions are some of JNH's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 I have not heard that album enough yet. But my first impressions were that it's quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 I realise that this is probably my 28th negative post today, but this sounds enormously uninspired to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 Actually I prefer his score to Treasure Planet over Atlantis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxbabe 28 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 Atlantis is really good. Treasure Planet is awesome. Treasure Planet has brilliant and very detailed orchestral writing, Atlantis is gorgeous and grand. I still like Dinosaur better than both of those though.I honestly haven't listened to much recent JNH stuff, besides Lady in the Water (a lot), and Freedomland once (nice, but nothing extremely distinctive). I hope Waterhorse will be very good, but well, the jury's out, we'll see. I think I would rather him not be so popular (4 years ago I was saying the opposite!) and do less projects in a more intensive way - when a great opportunity comes along like this, I worry that he doesn't have the time to devote to really crafting something, as opposed to just getting it written. Can't anyone else (ie. younger composers) do urban dramas? I know JNH does them well, but some sophisticated sound design, by whoever, would do for those...I hope that his best scores aren't behind him. I would hate to see someone so obviously talented rest on their laurels once they reached the top. I'm a little worried too about him being unduly influenced by Zimmer too due to their close friendship.In any case, I look forward to hearing the score (and of course, seeing the movie!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I think you're right about him devoting the time to really make something good. He's done a lot of movies in the last few years - if only he would slow down a little.Atlantis and Treasure Planet are both very complex scores, with the former having some incredibly invigorating action cues which (IMO) easily have an orchestration level on par with JW. Plus Atlantis has a complete promo that fleshes out the OST a bit.I'm really looking forward to Water Horse - that part of the country where it's set is so beautiful that I'm sure James was inspired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I like Treasure Planet a lot. It blows the POTC scores out of the water.Although, the use of en electric guitar in a few tracks always bugs me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Naah, makes it more fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I like Treasure Planet a lot. It blows the POTC scores out of the water.Although, the use of en electric guitar in a few tracks always bugs me.Treasure Planet is a truly brilliant score, but I like POTC more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Treasure Planet is not a truely brilliant score. It's got it's moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 The words brilliant and great are thrown around too much in regards to film music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Wait a minute, though. Is he saying POTC is better than a brilliant score? Come on, I can enjoy POTC, too, but this is seriously ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 The words brilliant and great are thrown around too much in regards to film music.Maybe in comparison to the golden age greats, but within modern standards there is a lot of great music around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 I like current film scores, yet the words are thrown about too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 Well it doesn't help that there are still people here that believe anything not written by the maestro is a lump of crap.... it simply isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 If Planet is brilliant, then what is POTC? Super brilliant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 I like current film scores, yet the words are thrown about too much.I agree. good or fun do not equel brilliant, or masterpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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