indy4 155 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 They're both brilliant. POTC is just more so (IMO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 POTC.....brilliant.POTC.....brilliant.POTC = brilliant?non sequitur...your facts are uncoordinated!Dispute....error....error....non sequitur...illogic....must compute...must compute..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 POTC = brilliantYes, Steef, that's just what I said. indy4 - who, in a half-hearted attempt to bring this thread back on topic, will now mention that he just got Hidalgo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 If you are talking about Passion Of The Christ, then that would be slightly more understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 I haven't heard one note of the Passion of the Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 Anti-Christ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 ....which just goes to show you, you can get away with over-stating your case, as long as it is well placed, and done with style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 POTC = brilliantYes, Steef, that's just what I said. indy4 - who, in a half-hearted attempt to bring this thread back on topic, will now mention that he just got Hidalgo.Hidalgo's a nice score, but I think that the movie (which I usually get bored with after a few minutes) may have dragged him down. A few of the action cues seem a little formulaic to me, and of course the score was cut to shreds in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 Hidalgo's nice. Like a lot of his actiony stuff, very fun and makes for a terrific listen. But has no 'JNH' mark on it. Sounds very Goldsmithian to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 A lot of JNH sounds Goldsmithian. Unlike Atlantis, which dare I say it here, sounds Williamsesque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 ....which just goes to show you, you can get away with over-stating your case, as long as it is well placed, and done with style.Why thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 POTC.....brilliant.POTC.....brilliant.POTC = brilliant?non sequitur...your facts are uncoordinated!Dispute....error....error....non sequitur...illogic....must compute...must compute..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 POTC = brilliantYes, Steef, that's just what I said. indy4 - who, in a half-hearted attempt to bring this thread back on topic, will now mention that he just got Hidalgo.Hidalgo's a nice score, but I think that the movie (which I usually get bored with after a few minutes) may have dragged him down. A few of the action cues seem a little formulaic to me, and of course the score was cut to shreds in the film.yes, I think it is a very nice score so far, some of the cues sound a bit like Treasure Planet. Probably my least favorite JNH score (I only have four), but still a great score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I still don't seen any Powell on that list of yours indy4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I'm working on it! let me feed my wallet first...indy4 - who's looking up Chicken Run online right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Illigal download? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 No, I don't do illegal stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I do illegal stuff for bootleg scores I suppose. But is it technically illegal to trade scores directly? Isn't me and another person trading scores the same as me buying a score from Amazon and giving it to my brother to put on his iTunes and listen to on his iPod? I think it's only illegal if you publically allow people to download scores, of if you give a score you don't own to someone else.For example, it would be illegal for ind4 to give someone Chicken Run after I gave it to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I do illegal stuff for bootleg scores I suppose. But is it technically illegal to trade scores directly? Isn't me and another person trading scores the same as me buying a score from Amazon and giving it to my brother to put on his iTunes and listen to on his iPod? I think it's only illegal if you publically allow people to download scores, of if you give a score you don't own to someone else.If you are keeping that score after you trade it with others, then it is illegal. If you are given them the music, and then deleting it from your iTunes or whatever, then it's legal, I think.Because the record companies are still loosing money because one person got their copy of the CD free.This is all technical, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 So it's illegal to give my brother any music I purchase, unless I delete the music myself? This can't be legal (pun intended). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Technically, yes, I think it is. But who gives a garbage about these tiny rules, I certainly won't be the one to call the police on you!EDIT: Haha, that's awesome! I type in s*** and it changes it to garbage.garbagegarbagegarbagegarbagegarbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 But then how do you differentiate between saying:"I threw the garbage out"and"I threw the garbage out"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Well, I doubt anybody would ever have to throw the garbage out, that would be rather strange, when you could just flush it. damn - just testing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I really like Hidalgo; I think it's a really enjoyable score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Yes, so far I'm really enjoying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I don't like Hidalgo much, there isn't a definitive great track I can listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 So anyways...The Water Horse should be nice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Indeed. It'll be kinda MV-ish, considering Sinéad O'Connor is providing the vocals. She worked on Veronica Guerin with Harry Gregson-Williams. And it seems JNH is becoming more MV these days, he's even using their orchestrators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Umm...what the hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 The bashing has started already. O.K. I'm ready.Blood Diamond, The Interpreter, Michael Clayton...these are all very MV-ish scores by JNH. He is very good friends with Hans Zimmer, even thanked him in King Kong. He's also been using Blake Neely to conduct his scores. He's also having them mixed at Remote Control Productions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I'm not bashing anything, I just don't think it's soon enough to start throwing out ideas like JNH turning into MV. MV's fine for what it is (or not, depending on your point-of-view), but Howard is light years beyond that uninspired, mindless style. Films like the ones you mentioned above don't lend themselves to having as distinct and compelling scores as others, and I think he's unfortunately been scoring more of those recently. But still, his scores for Lady in the Water, King Kong, The Village, and Hidaglo are anything but MV, and those are all from the last few years. I understand that you're probably not saying this as a bad thing though, given your views on MV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I love JNH the way he is. I would actually rather him stay away from Hans because I think he is a superior composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Then we agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Blood Diamond is an MV-ish score (not an especially good one, but still). The Interpretor and Michael Clayton are not really MV-ish. They are in color, but they are so subdued and almost droning, not something that typifies MV scores, whether good or bad. They are more like a very stripped down approach to his urban sound of The Fugitive and Glenngary Glen Ross (which are not the least bit MV). Morlock- who thinks that, at his best, JNH is as good as it gets. In general, he is excellent, with the problem of voice. His own voice only rarely dominates an entire score of his (and those make for his best scores). At his worst, he composes a lot of effective, yet totally unremarkable scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Oh, I meant to add that I really enjoy Blood Diamond. Nothing really groundbreaking, but the exotic atmosphere, driving rhythms, and pleasant harmonies make it an enjoyable listen for me, moreso than I expected before hearing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 It really just sounded like an amalgam of all kinds of tired stereotypes to me. Of course, the fact that I hated the movie (which faithfully and effectively served) doesn't help things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 The film was excellent, as was the score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 The film was terrible. Edward Zwick is such a heavy-handed, hit-you-over-the-head-with-a-message director. The score was your typical mix of your typical African stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I've seen bits of Glory and Legends, and I didn't like either. I think it may be that I just have problems with period films sometimes if they're trying too hard to be serious when they have someone like Brad Pitt and the (IMO) miscast Matthew Broderick.I think it's unfortunate that JNH seems to be making these scoring choices at the moment, but I don't think it can be argued that with output like The Village or Snow Falling on Cedars, he's in a completely different 'talent zone' than most of those in Zimmer's camp. I have to say though that I was a little disappointed with Blood Diamond - I find it ok as a background listen but not much more than that outside a few cues.With his Christmas assignments coming up, he's scored a whopping six films this year, and has another four for next year either completed or in post (according to IMDB). He needs to slooooooow down I think and be more selective next year.And I agree with koraysavas90, I don't think his friendship with Zimmer is doing anyone any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=782 9+ minutes interview with the man. Nice interview (even though I totally disagree about the bug scene). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 That's a really neat interview - thanks for finding that.I have to agree with him about the bug scene though. It does project a very ghostly setting for me, and kind of mimics the confusion and panic that is going through the minds of the characters.I think his comments about interpreting music differently is a valuable piece of wisdom too.Can't stop listening I Am Legend and The Water Horse - I really do think they're the best scores he's done in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Wonderful interview. A nice, but short exploration of an incredibly creative mind. I have to say that I agree with his understanding of music. Coincidentally, or not, I feel those odd sensations when listening to his most evocative stuff, whether that's tribal rhythms or sustained oboe notes. He understands that the best film music is not on top of action and does not enhance what's there but is organically part of it. It is part of the image. And I completely agree with him about the insect pit sequence in King Kong. It's a great sequence with great music. Beautiful, yet haunting, and very dream-like. Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 The penis shaped bugs were haunting and dream-like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 The penis shaped bugs were haunting and dream-like?You sound surprised, as though penises do not make regular appearances in your dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I rarely remember my dreams, so I wouldn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I meant to say that the whole sequence was that way, not individual aspects of it, per se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I think the individual aspects betray the fact that it is an over-the-top gross-out scene. And the music tried to morph it into something different. In my opinion, it was entirely unsuccessful. The music did give it a dream-like effect to a certain extent, but the images were totally unaccepting to the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 In the midst of all the Indiana Jones hoopla lately, I'd forgotten that JNH's score for The Happening is released this Tuesday. I couldn't find any clips online, aside from some background music on the film's official website, but there were some notes on the music by Shyamalan there. The words "beautiful" and "haunting cello theme" were used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesker 0 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Howard really outshines most of todays film composers in terms of harmony- with the exception of old Dennis McCarthy I can't think of many film composers (film being the key word) that really understand harmony and counterpoint as well as he does. This of course is largely responsible for his incredible knack for underscore. Also, Wyatt Earp has always been a favorite of mine, and I think many cues in there are very well representative of his style. His score to The Sixth Sense is chilling, and not often mentioned.I hope he goes his separate paths with Zimmer, because Zimmer almost has this "leaching" aura about him- He enjoys working with composers, but I think he ends up almost adulterating their very music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I'd like to see JNH score a Batman film on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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