Red 75 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Maybe my fondest movie-going experiance was seeing The Phantom Menace for the first time. I was eight at the time, and I had become a big Star Wars fan beforehand by seeing the original trilogy. I loved it at the time, and I still think it to be underrated. Definantly better than AOTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 You are 15 or 16?Ok that explains everything, thank you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 I am 16, thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Then you are not old enough to have an informed opinion about anything.I don't debate with virgins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Your good buddy Mr. Breathmask isn't much older than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 I know, but some idiot decided he'd make a good moderator, so I have no choice but to deal with him from time to time.Also, Marc is probably gay, meaning he's lost his virginity years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 I know its your kind of humor... (and its very funy) but you may have exceeded yourself there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 We shall see if Marc agrees..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Are you calling Neil an idiot now?- Marc, not gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 I've called Neil an idiot hundreds of times.He always agreed with me, proving he actually isn't one.Anyway, you are not 16 anymore, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Yeah, that's what I thought.And no, I'm 19 now, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Then legally you are a full grown man.So you are allowed to debate with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Have you debated with me not knowing that I was under age, Steef? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Frankly I'm staggered at the amount of posts you have gathered without saying much of interest.I must admit that that's an impressive feat though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Frankly I'm staggered at the amount of posts you have gathered without saying much of interest.That makes two of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted February 3, 2007 Author Share Posted February 3, 2007 I've called Neil an idiot hundreds of times.He always agreed with me, proving he actually isn't one.What the hell kind of idiot would do that?I saw some of Star Wars and Empire in HD the other night. These new versions royally and completely suck. The sound mixes were terrible and the new effects stood out like a bloated neck.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 There's the Neil we know and love! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal_Ozzel 36 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Now apply what you said to 1977 and you might see were alot of us are coming from.Of course I understand where you're coming from. I have little doubt that if I was of the generation that grew up on the original versions, I would feel exactly the same way as you do. I'm just saying that I don't, and that I can enjoy the SEs and not feel any bitterness.I'm in complete agreement with everyone (short of LFL) in that those DVDs last year were a joke. I didn't buy them because I always make it a point not to purchase non-anamorphic DVDs. And I absolutely think there should be decent versions available to buy. But at the end of the day, I'm still content, because I have the versions I prefer to watch (lightsaber color problems aside). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 The only thing I would charge GL for is giving up his perfectionism. He used to do perfect movies. Lately, however, he even agreed on releasing the movies that weren't in fact completed (temp music, blatant CGI in some places). It wasn't my childhood he had raped. On the contrary - he made it even better with his movies. No matter how dissappointing were the sequels (AotC for the most part), they playied a great part in my life and I will always be thankful to GL for it.Yes! Thank you! That's what I've been thinking. It seems like pretty blatant hypocrisy to say that three great movies got released unfinished, but release the PT as it is. I've often felt like I'm watching unfinished movies when I see the PT. TPM is actually the most together movie in my mind, although I didn't like the poop jokes, and I didn't like the oops and "Yippee!" stuff. There is some great CG in the PT, and there is some loathsome CG. Two of the neatest and worst shots in the PT are right by each other in ROTS: the shot of R2 accessing the diagram of the Invisible Hand was really neat, to me. Then you have the shot of a painfully CG R2 catching a communicator while painfully blue-screened in front of a painfully CG background. Tell me they were running out of time on that shot. It's shots like that that should be fixed, or better yet, here's a thought: USE A SET. I have always enjoyed the PT, but as time goes by, I'm finding my enjoyment tempered by my acknowledgment of what's wrong with it. I still like 'em, but I become more conscious of how much better it could be.And for everyone who hates the SEs, I highly suggest checking out originaltrilogy.com. There are some very creative people there working to make reconstructions of the OOT, and even making new and improved edits of the PT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris ChrusherComix 46 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 If [my wife] heard that somebody equated her home country to living under a rock, I'd shudder to think of their fate at her hands, knees, forearms and elbows. (Be careful, Mr. Breathmask! )I never made that comparison. It's a figure of speech.Can't believe I have to explain that.You've never been around a Thai. They are very loyal and patriotic to their country. One dosn't even need to make that vague of a reference and get smacked. I have bruises to prove it, haha! I think the ( ) declares that he was joking...The force is strong in this one. Watch out for Chrusher's legendary ability to twist your words!I don't know what's wrong with me. I mean, when I see someone saying child molestation and murder are lesser sins than a man making three different versions of his own movie, I just go and spin those words to my advantage!Red Rabbitt: Careful young one... Stefan's abusiveness is a way for him to make you try to be his friend... yet in truth it is a prelude to him befriending you and then betraying you. Delorean90: I agree. Since Lucas has tinkered with his OCT, he neeeds to tinker A LOT more with the PT. They always seemed unfinished to me in comparison to the OCT.Of course I understand where you're coming from. I have little doubt that if I was of the generation that grew up on the original versions, I would feel exactly the same way as you do. I'm just saying that I don't, and that I can enjoy the SEs and not feel any bitterness.I grew up on the original versions. I have no bitterness towards the SEs. Theyare just alternate versions of the same movies. Don't listen to these people who whine all day about them.I'm in complete agreement with everyone (short of LFL) in that those DVDs last year were a joke. I didn't buy them because I always make it a point not to purchase non-anamorphic DVDs. And I absolutely think there should be decent versions available to buy. But at the end of the day, I'm still content, because I have the versions I prefer to watch (lightsaber color problems aside).I didn't buy them, but I got them as a Christmas gift (the ones that came with the old graphic novel reprints). Truth be told, they didn't look too bad on my 52" HDTV even though they weren't anamorphic. The 2004 DVDs still look better though. I'm now curious about the 30th anniversary sets, and yet even more curious to the reactions of many.I saw some of Star Wars and Empire in HD the other night. These new versions royally and completely suck. The sound mixes were terrible and the new effects stood out like a bloated neck.NeilDamn, I want to see it in HD, but my satellite is analog... I didn't upgrade to HD yet. Closests is the HD-Upconverting player I have. But, again, how can I trust your critique since you hate every version other than the 1977 SW and 1980 ESB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted February 4, 2007 Author Share Posted February 4, 2007 Just imagine the 2004 DVD transfers looking really, really, really, really sharp. That's what the HD looks like.Garbage in, garbage out.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Red Rabbitt: Careful young one... Stefan's abusiveness is a way for him to make you try to be his friend... yet in truth it is a prelude to him befriending you and then betraying you. I never betrayed you Chris, I just could not be bothered with you anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Can you betray someone who knows that it is coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 What is that supposed to mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Well, if what Chris said was true, then you would have a hard time betraying me since I am aware that it is already going to happen.I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 You think that I am going to betray you?What the hell are you talking about boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 I'm just saying that if you were, then it wouldn't be the best idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Sigh....idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 How can Stefan ever betray someone? He has never misled anyone into thinking they can trust him.If they do think that, it's their problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Dealing with Steef is like dealing with Garak. You know it's coming, and you have to be ready for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Nonsense my dear John.Everything I have said here is 100% true.Even the lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 As much as I hate to say it...Lighten up!There's nothing new in this discussion. Some people like the SE's, many people don't. It's not a matter of intelligence or moral integrity. The fact that people will hurl meaningless insults at each other for ten years because of three freaking movies is a lot sadder than anything George Lucas has done or hasn't done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Who was insulting who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Anyone who likes the SE's is a suspected necrophile as far as I'm concerned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Yes, but you're off your rocker anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Anyone who likes the SE's is a suspected necrophile as far as I'm concerned!Arent the old versions the ones that are dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Yes, but you're off your rocker anyway.01 - Personal attacks or offensive language will not be allowed. Please be RESPECTFUL of one another, allow for differences in opinions, and please don't make anyone feel that they cannot post their views in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris ChrusherComix 46 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 I never betrayed you Chris, I just could not be bothered with you anymore.01 - Personal attacks or offensive language will not be allowed. Please be RESPECTFUL of one another, allow for differences in opinions, and please don't make anyone feel that they cannot post their views in this forum.I dunno... a close call... but does this make Stefan a hypocrite? Also, is he the famous Kansas City Worldskipper, Conrad? Red Rabbit: Do listen to reason... I beg of you! Stefan is evil! Think about it... has ever his humor ever been free from rudeness and/or crudeness? A sign of evil-ness, I believe! Neil: But I personally don't mind the 2004 transfers. They look different from the orginals, but not 100% better or 100% worse. That's a taste issue. Sure, the color is obviously sweetened in parts, but at least they are crisp and clean. In comparison, the originals are grainy and have far more visable flaws and artifacts in comparison, so each has strengths and weaknesses. I don't hate any edit of a Star Wars movie - theatrical or re-edited, and I can personally pick strengths and weaknesses from each edition. So, I'd have to see them for myself before I can rate them as garbage or not. I still find it hard to believe that it has put you in a hell for 10 years... rather I believe you guys are trolling for arguments. Right? Lighten up!There's nothing new in this discussion. Some people like the SE's, many people don't. It's not a matter of intelligence or moral integrity. The fact that people will hurl meaningless insults at each other for ten years because of three freaking movies is a lot sadder than anything George Lucas has done or hasn't done.Agreed 100%. I've been saying things like that on this board for years. Everybody has an opinion, why bash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Yes, but you're off your rocker anyway.01 - Personal attacks or offensive language will not be allowed. Please be RESPECTFUL of one another, allow for differences in opinions, and please don't make anyone feel that they cannot post their views in this forum.You never fail to bring a smile to my face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Mine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 One day I will be taken seriously! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 You never fail to bring a smile to my faceYes but few times that cruel man also managed to bring some tears in my eyes... ...tears of joy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 You most likely deserved everything you got.Or I was just pissed off and took it out on you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Such evil-ness...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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