Vaderbait1 1 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 There's a lot that's not on the CD, I'm thinking. All those short tracks really make it obvious that a lot of key stuff, probably climaxes, slower music, and some action music to tie what's on the CD into a more coherent flow is missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I wonder if Giacchino only wanted to release 45 minutes, or if thats all Varese could afford to pay for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Paramount being Paramount, I wouldn't be shocked if it's the latter--in fact I'd lean towards it. Giacchino is typically fairly generous with his releases--or at least not 45-minutes stingy. I don't think he chose to make it this short. I'd be surprised if he wanted it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I think that the truth is Giacchino is not the next Williams or Goldsmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Nobody here said he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I think that the truth is Giacchino is not the next Williams or GoldsmithHe doesn't have to be. I'm just glad he's Giacchino; that's enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Amen to that.Judging by the comments it looks like my guess from the track titles was right, the CD is very action heavy. Hopefully the softer cues will rip fairly cleanly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Amen to that.Judging by the comments it looks like my guess from the track titles was right, the CD is very action heavy. Hopefully the softer cues will rip fairly cleanly.It is VERY action heavy. Offhand, I can only think of maybe three non-action tracks.The problem is, they're all very short and so it's hard to get into them. There's very little buildup in individual tracks, it's just "BAM! I'm here!.....and now I'm done!" I'm sure a complete release would make this score more enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 If that's the case, it sounds like there's probably a good bit of building/transitional music we don't have on the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I just saw a commercial and thought Uhura was played by Beyonce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Are you obsessed with Star Trek, KM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted April 28, 2009 Author Share Posted April 28, 2009 He's obsessed with black holes, burning kittens, and pulling teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I wonder if Giacchino only wanted to release 45 minutesHe did it as a nod to Goldsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I wonder if Giacchino only wanted to release 45 minutesHe did it as a nod to Goldsmith.Then he would release 38 minutes and would make sure that the 12 minutes of action music are outbalanced by wobbling suspense stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Amen to that.Judging by the comments it looks like my guess from the track titles was right, the CD is very action heavy. Hopefully the softer cues will rip fairly cleanly.It is VERY action heavy. Offhand, I can only think of maybe three non-action tracks.How do you know?Or will the answer be illegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I will make it LEGAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Amen to that.Judging by the comments it looks like my guess from the track titles was right, the CD is very action heavy. Hopefully the softer cues will rip fairly cleanly.It is VERY action heavy. Offhand, I can only think of maybe three non-action tracks.How do you know?Or will the answer be illegalWhat's happening with ST is what happened with KOTCS.I'm waiting for my Varese order to come before I listen to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Not illegal to hear something before it's released, since there are many ways one could hear it before release without resorting to downloading.I really want a complete score. It's very unsatisfying in the sense that it feels like it's going somewhere but it never really gets there. The theme is great and has some fantastic iterations, but as in 90% of movie scores since 2000, the big emotional buildups always fade away instead of busting out in a grand statement of beautiful music. In short, there is no "Binary Sunset" moment. My other complaint is that there is little variation in this soundtrack. No grand climaxes, very little quiet moments (which isn't necessarily bad), it all chugs along at about the same level of intensity. Which, in a way, makes it less intense because there is no sense of urgency, really.And like I already mentioned, the action music is over so quick it can't really develop.It might grow on me, I've given it 4 listens (2 while distracted) and I am starting to see where unreleased music would flesh this out a bit and make it make more "sense." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Not to shill or anything, but here is something by some dude you might be interested in, if only to disagree (or pick holes).Top 10 Star Trek Scores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Top 10 Star Trek scores? Out of a list of ten item? Wow... They're joking, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 He got the first two correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Not to shill or anything, but here is something by some dude you might be interested in, if only to disagree (or pick holes).Top 10 Star Trek ScoresThat guy is pretty much spot on. I'd rank Generations lower, but his points about which tracks are the best on that CD are spot on.If only we had complete (or at least expanded) scores for the original crew, other than The Undiscovered Country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 But we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Before someone decides to do a poll here on the top 10 ST scores , I believe we just did one last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 More than once, probably. I know I've done a full list several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 But we do.We have the first and last. No expanded or complete scores for II-V and Generations, unless you're counting the awful DVD rips which are fuzzy, chock full of annoying SFX and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 I wonder if Giacchino only wanted to release 45 minutes, or if thats all Varese could afford to pay forWell he also used a 107 piece orchestra with a 40 member choir. That might play a factor into the fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 All those extra violas didn't merit diddly squat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 oooh,big CGI monsters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I liked the action music that played during that preview more than any of the action music on the OST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I wonder just what that big CGI monster is. They've shown it once or twice in trailers. I assume it's on that really cold penal asteroid, but I wonder what implications it'll have on the story. Maybe it's just in the movie because Abrams had a monster in Cloverfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I don't think that is Rura Penthe, although I read somewhere it was supposed to be at some point in production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Just heard the new score. In less than 3 words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I'm gonna listen to Rosenman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I'm gonna listen to Rosenman.You can't listen to other people, Drax. You have to listen to your heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I have no heart, let alone a beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Just booked tickets for midnight on Wednesday. Fingers crossed this is actually good now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I wonder just what that big CGI monster is. They've shown it once or twice in trailers. I assume it's on that really cold penal asteroid, but I wonder what implications it'll have on the story. Maybe it's just in the movie because Abrams had a monster in Cloverfield.On one of the Star Trek sites there are some more pictures of the creature as well as pre-concept drawings. It looks like a cross between Cloverfield and the worms from TremorsI believe the planet is a moon that Kirk gets sent to and also where he ends up meeting Scotty and old Spock.Also there are some new clips on the Star Trek Yahoo movie page, one of them contains a major spoiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I read months ago that it was Rura Penthe. That doesn't make much sense if it's deep inside Klingon space in ST VI, but the frontier lines of space do shift over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I'm not sure how accurate this is but from what I understand this is what ahappens. From what I understand, it's a Vulcan moon or regular moon that young Spock sends Kirk to, possibly as punishment or to get him out of his hair. Supposedly he meets Scotty, who has been assigned there by an angry Admiral for a transporter mishap. Also that's where he meets the older Spock who tells him he must take command of the Enterprise from his younger self.I'm somewhat inclined to believe it since the other spoilers and leaked plot synopsis fits everything we've seen so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 The fact that older Spock goes back in time in the first place to set things right between young Spock and Kirk suggests that, 1) the Star Trek TOS timeline we know and love is an alternate history to begin with by older Spock's actions; 2) Nero himself is trying to screw up the timeline, which older Spock must set right; or 3) this is wholly an alternate universe or somehow the "real" universe has intersected with "an" alternate universe, but not the "mirror" universe. We'll know soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 The whole timeline deal already sounds convoluted so god knows how they're going to explain it in the film. I read Star Trek Countdown and unless I missed something, that barely explained anything, apart from Nero is a bit pissed off, although why he's going after Kirk is unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I thought it was reported that Nero was going after young Spock, not Kirk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 He might be, I'm just going from the line from one of the TV spots or trailers where Nero talks about changing Kirk's life as opposed to Spock's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Well trailers can be made to throw anyone off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Like I mentioned earlier, there is a huge spoiler clip on the Yahoo Star Trek movie page that takes place at the beginning of the film, after the attack on the Kelvin. It might answer some of the questions in those spoilers some of you had posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I just wanted to say a big thank you for the spoiler tags, all! <_< Some of us really appreciate you taking the time to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Mark....that Romulan in the clip that you mentioned the one that says "Then ask Captain Nero, what right he has to attack a Federation vessel?"...he looks familiar, do you recognize him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I wonder just what that big CGI monster is.The one in the snow? Isn't that the Wampa ice monster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 The whole timeline deal already sounds convoluted so god knows how they're going to explain it in the film. I read Star Trek Countdown and unless I missed something, that barely explained anything, apart from Nero is a bit pissed off, although why he's going after Kirk is unknown.What's convoluted about it? Nero goes back in time and messes with the timeline. It's basic "science" in sci-fi time travel stories. As far as I understand it, he goes back to destroy Vulcan, Kirk and crew just gets in the way. His line in the trailer is probably because he's forced to face Kirk, and obviously he knows who Kirk is, but he didn't go back specifically for Kirk. The fact that older Spock goes back in time in the first place to set things right between young Spock and Kirk suggests that, 1) the Star Trek TOS timeline we know and love is an alternate history to begin with by older Spock's actions; 2) Nero himself is trying to screw up the timeline, which older Spock must set right; or 3) this is wholly an alternate universe or somehow the "real" universe has intersected with "an" alternate universe, but not the "mirror" universe. We'll know soon enough.The second option is the one I've heard. People are just confusing themselves by getting bogged down in "alternate universe" talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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