Ollie 1,059 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Mark....that Romulan in the clip that you mentioned the one that says "Then ask Captain Nero, what right he has to attack a Federation vessel?"...he looks familiar, do you recognize him?I believe he was one of the Russian soldiers in KOTCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Just heard the new score. In less than 3 wordsAs have I. I quite enjoy it myself. "Nero Death Experience" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Just heard the new score. In less than 3 wordsAs have I. I quite enjoy it myself. "Nero Death Experience" "Enterprising Young Man is the highlight for me. I don't know how it fits in the movie, but I can picture the Enterprise leaving spacedock (or drydock, whatever) for the first time in the movie while a segment from this track plays. It's probably the closest to a grand theme we get in the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 No, that Romulan in the clip is Clifton Collins Jr. He wasn't in KOTCS, but he's been in a ton of stuff for about 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 The whole timeline deal already sounds convoluted so god knows how they're going to explain it in the film. I read Star Trek Countdown and unless I missed something, that barely explained anything, apart from Nero is a bit pissed off, although why he's going after Kirk is unknown.What's convoluted about it? Nero goes back in time and messes with the timeline. It's basic "science" in sci-fi time travel stories. As far as I understand it, he goes back to destroy Vulcan, Kirk and crew just gets in the way. His line in the trailer is probably because he's forced to face Kirk, and obviously he knows who Kirk is, but he didn't go back specifically for Kirk. I mean the way he travels back. The whole black hole, hobus star deal that I couldn't for the life of me figure out, although it did remind me of an episode of Futurama. But who knows. The whole Borg technology bit is weird though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 The whole timeline deal already sounds convoluted so god knows how they're going to explain it in the film. I read Star Trek Countdown and unless I missed something, that barely explained anything, apart from Nero is a bit pissed off, although why he's going after Kirk is unknown.What's convoluted about it? Nero goes back in time and messes with the timeline. It's basic "science" in sci-fi time travel stories. As far as I understand it, he goes back to destroy Vulcan, Kirk and crew just gets in the way. His line in the trailer is probably because he's forced to face Kirk, and obviously he knows who Kirk is, but he didn't go back specifically for Kirk. I mean the way he travels back. The whole black hole, hobus star deal that I couldn't for the life of me figure out, although it did remind me of an episode of Futurama. But who knows. The whole Borg technology bit is weird though.Oh, I didn't know HOW it happened, I see your point now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 This whole plot sounds like a rip-off of Stargate: Continuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 This whole plot sounds like a rip-off of Stargate: Continuum.That's a low level to sink to if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Admit it, you love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 1, 2009 Author Share Posted May 1, 2009 "Your Amazon.com Order Has Shipped!' I ordered it [the soundtrack] with Amazon Prime (2 day shipping)...so that means it should be here by Monday. Someone jumped the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Anyone else who's heard the CD think it was edited and put together by an amateur?I just noticed one of the tracks just stops in mid-beat, and it's not one of those intentional ones. I'm not a music expert, so bear with me. There's a full note, unrelated to the music that came before, and it's not a a climax or anything. It's as if it's going to start a new part of the track and as soon as the note is over, there's a harsh cut, as if it wasn't originally supposed to end on that note and it was just convenient to cut there because it had a fairly clean end on the note.Also, the End Credits are really hacked together and a few other spots have a few really noticeable edits. Not to mention the earlier complaint that the tracks are too short to get into, like you're starting in the middle of the intended cue.Overall the score is growing on me slightly, but the OST itself is really just poorly put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Sounds like Williams OST Syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Sounds like Williams OST Syndrome.Giacchino learns from the masters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 NoGiacchino is truly the next Williams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxbabe 28 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 I just watched the videos from the Austin screening. Wow, I would have totally freaked out if I had been there!! So I am P.O.'d there is not a proper midnight screening here. There is a 7 and 10 pm on Thursday.But that's not the same as the classic geekiness of the midnight thing! Meh.....so I'm not sure if I 'm going on that day or not, I'll have to see.I'm going to wait to hear the score in the film, since I read the OST had some problems with editing and such. I can't wait to see it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 So I am P.O.'d there is not a proper midnight screening here. There is a 7 and 10 pm on Thursday.Same here, we're going to the 10 PM Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Weird. We have a midnight screening here, and the British rarely if ever go in for that sort of enthusiasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Trekmovie.com has some more clips up including Scotty delivering one of his trademark lines and some rather amusing clips with Bones & Kirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 100% on rotten tomatoes so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Burger Kling(today's funny link courtesy of Neil S Bulk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Advertising the new additions: a double meat targburger and gagh strips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 A nice bite-sized link for people like me.Also, what do you guys think of Ben Burtt being the sound designer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Well, quibbles about the mixes in the prequels aside, he is actually a brilliant sound designer so I don't see why this shouldn't have fantastic sound design. And his work on WALL-E was incredible.I have to say, the TV spots look great but the generic hard rock they're using sucks like a Dyson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Burtt is a legend and I'd be happy for him to work on any movie.Anyway, remember the tv special Bring Back Star Wars? Well now the same guy is doing Bring Back Star Trek, which is airing Sat 9th on Channel 4, here in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 A rather strange semi-spoiler I've discovered today: One of the songs credited as being featured in the film is the Beastie Boys opus 'Sabotage', which funnily enough is one of my favourite songs, although I'm not sure about its use in a Star Trek flick. But I suppose it makes sense in the same way we still listen to music hundreds of years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Another Total Film Star Trek list for you to muse over. Because everyone likes a good list.Besides, No.1 is unarguably correct, for a change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 A rather strange semi-spoiler I've discovered today: One of the songs credited as being featured in the film is the Beastie Boys opus 'Sabotage', which funnily enough is one of my favourite songs, although I'm not sure about its use in a Star Trek flick. But I suppose it makes sense in the same way we still listen to music hundreds of years old.I would imagine there will be songs in the nightclub sequence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Well, quibbles about the mixes in the prequels aside, he is actually a brilliant sound designer so I don't see why this shouldn't have fantastic sound design. And his work on WALL-E was incredible.Exactly. For all the complaining that happens, his sound design really is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I think the whole situation about Ben Burtt was summed up correctly in the FSM Star Trek Podcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 First Contact is an almost unrelentingly grim and action-fuelled filmWha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I think the whole situation about Ben Burtt was summed up correctly in the FSM Star Trek Podcast.Which basically said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 That he's as lazy a bum as Sir Quintus from Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I would imagine there will be songs in the nightclub sequenceWhy not? If recordings of Steppenwolf and Roy Orbison survived WWIII, and we hear classical music galore in the 24th century, why shouldn't other contemporary music survive well into Kirk's timeline? It's an attempt to anchor a sci-fi movie into a possible future, by grounding it in our present time, and it works. And Kirk and McCoy know "Row Row Row Your Boat."Oh, and Uhura orders a Budweiser right before the bartender recommends a Slusho, as seen in a lengthy clip at Yahoo. I expect to see other product placements for 20th/21st century stuff in this movie, too, and I'm ok with that.I was worried when she ordered some Cardassian beverage, because Cardassians didn't appear until TNG. But then I looked up an episode of Enterprise where Cardassians were mentioned, so that's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Why not? If recordings of Steppenwolf and Roy Orbison survived WWIIIPlease don't remind me of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Hey, I can't help it if Zefram Cochrane was a good old blue-blooded American who liked his classic rock and country music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 Don't you diss Steppenwolf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I think the whole situation about Ben Burtt was summed up correctly in the FSM Star Trek Podcast.Which basically said..."He's great at sound f/x and great at destroying scores." -- Jon or Al Kaplan (clarification here would be welcome) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I'm glad they used songs OTHER THAN Born to Be Wild or Oh, Pretty Woman. Both of those are the instantly recognizable ones, and the Steppenwolf is overplayed.No wait, I'm sorry. Steppenwolf is Canadian. And Cochrane's launch site is in Montana, so maybe they're blurring the national boundaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Why not? If recordings of Steppenwolf and Roy Orbison survived WWIII, and we hear classical music galore in the 24th century, why shouldn't other contemporary music survive well into Kirk's timeline? It's an attempt to anchor a sci-fi movie into a possible future, by grounding it in our present time, and it works. And Kirk and McCoy know "Row Row Row Your Boat."Oh, and Uhura orders a Budweiser right before the bartender recommends a Slusho, as seen in a lengthy clip at Yahoo. I expect to see other product placements for 20th/21st century stuff in this movie, too, and I'm ok with that.I was worried when she ordered some Cardassian beverage, because Cardassians didn't appear until TNG. But then I looked up an episode of Enterprise where Cardassians were mentioned, so that's ok.Oh there's nothing wrong with it, after all they are from earth. And I watched the same clip as well.I think the whole situation about Ben Burtt was summed up correctly in the FSM Star Trek Podcast.Which basically said..."He's great at sound f/x and great at destroying scores." -- Jon or Al Kaplan (clarification here would be welcome)I dunno, they had Jeff Bond, Lukas Kendall and someone else as well as the Kaplan bros and Doug Adams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I think the whole situation about Ben Burtt was summed up correctly in the FSM Star Trek Podcast.Which basically said..."He's great at sound f/x and great at destroying scores." -- Jon or Al Kaplan (clarification here would be welcome)I dunno, they had Jeff Bond, Lukas Kendall and someone else as well as the Kaplan bros and Doug Adams.Yes, Brandon F. Moore, noted expert on Arthur B. Rubinstein. It sounded like one of the Kaplans, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I just felt like both of them were really out of place. Then again, so was that whole part of the movie. And I really really really hate 'Ooby Dooby'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Songs from the 60s were sure better than picking a song from the 90s. I think a Spice Girls or 98 Degrees song from 1996 would have dated First Contact much worse than Steppenwolf/Roy Orbison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I'd rather it was left to Goldsmith, either orchestrally or maybe have him write something. Either way, the scenes and the movie in general leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I'd rather it was left to Goldsmith, either orchestrally or maybe have him write something. Either way, the scenes and the movie in general leaves a bad taste in my mouth.You mean write an original song like "The Moon's a Window to Heaven"? No thanks. If you're going to have a 20th century jukebox in a 21st century bar, you better play a 20th century song. Nothing Goldsmith could have written would have been appropriate there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I'd rather it was left to Goldsmith, either orchestrally or maybe have him write something. Either way, the scenes and the movie in general leaves a bad taste in my mouth.You mean write an original song like "The Moon's a Window to Heaven"? No thanks. If you're going to have a 20th century jukebox in a 21st century bar, you better play a 20th century song. Nothing Goldsmith could have written would have been appropriate there.I'm sure something orchestral might have been appropriate, then again, maybe only Carl Stalling could really have appropriately scored the terrible fucking scenes that are Zefram Cochrane boogieing down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Since they are on earth I don't mind using original songs.I actually liked the use of Magic Carpet Ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Listened to this score again today. Sighhhhh. Just can't get into it. The earlier tracks sound like LOST chord progressions with a few extra instruments doubled to give it that "epic sound" and the latter ones are the same frenetic action fare approach from MI:3. Not sure where I stand on Giacchino though it's unlikely anyone else gives a crap what I think. I guess this is one film score fan that will have to resist buying his stuff without having seen the film first. I'm really trying to analyze why I don't care for this score though since I have been an ardent fan of Giacchino's from his early years. Is it his sound has not changed too much, or should I say "matured" in the way I had hoped it would when he first came onto the scoring scene with ALIAS back in 2001? His scores for video games still possess a depth that I would say is largely missing in much of his big screen work. Maybe he's working on too many things at once (LOST, ST, LotL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I think I'm going to wait until I hear this in the theater before buying the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Yes it's certainly possible that there is GREAT music in the final film, but poor track selection was made for the OST. We'll know soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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