Datameister 2,042 Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Exactly. The score works wonders for the film, and it never pretends to be anything other than an homage to what came before it. It's not supposed to be a vehicle for revolutionary creative expression, and that's fine, because it does what it sets out to do very well, and it serves the film in a brilliant and fun way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 The rhythm is the same, but the pitches and overall feel are different, based on a brief online listening of Barry's theme. And again...I happen to like the Giacchino pastiche better than the original! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Sometimes the inspiration is surpassed by what it inspired. Shoulders of giants, right? (Not that I would try to make any "objective" value judgment on these scores. I simply like Giacchino's take on the spy score stereotypes.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Exactly. The score works wonders for the film, and it never pretends to be anything other than an homage to what came before it. It's not supposed to be a vehicle for revolutionary creative expression, and that's fine, because it does what it sets out to do very well, and it serves the film in a brilliant and fun way.And even so, he ends up doing some very creative stuff in the score. Fun stuff. Have I mentioned I love this score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 I think The Incredibles is a fantastic film score. It works marvelously with the film AND it's fun to listen to on its own although I do find the music is very much tied to the narrative source ( I could not get into the music until I saw the film). It's not fair to compare Williams with Giacchino (I know, I declared he was the "new John Williams" a while back) because he's still not at the level where he can write music that works equally well on its own as well as in the film. I would submit that MOST film composers' work needs a visual reference to be fully enjoyed. Williams is the aberration rather than the norm. Herrmann was another musical composer whose work you could listen to on its own and it made sense.As I said in another thread, it's really a gift to be able to do this. It's partly skill level (c'mon- Herrmann and Williams are compositional giants even if you don't want to admit it). I will say that Giacchino is a very rare commodity these days because he is so passionate about holding on to traditional scoring ideologies. I just wish he was allowed to fully express himself because what I have heard lately seems to be a little bit of a regression rather than a progression. Not the same harmonic daring (or breadth) that we heard on Secret Weapons Over Normandy or MOH, or even the same ability to explore cross-pollination of styles (ALIAS). I've been a huge proponent of Giacchino since his Alias days so I'm not trying to knock the guy. I own more of his CDs than probably any other new composer out there save for John Powell. I do hope he continues working with Brad Bird because I think his strongest efforts come from collaborating with him and not Abrams (who's a bit of a hack IMO).My thoughts. (still love ROAR mind you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 The Incredibles is lovely, even though, yes, Kronos Unveiled = Capsule in Space and Road Trip! = 007.Doesn't hurt the score one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 A Star Trek virgin is sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 Not the first one I've heard of either.TrekMovie.com's guide to Kirk Fu! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
222max 1 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Great photos from the scoring sessions here...http://www.scoringsessions.com/news/179/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 WTF was Timothy Olyphant doing there? He's not even in the movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 I'm beginning to warm to Giacchino's theme myself. I like his Aug4 to I cadence which is very much in keeping with Horner's sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 New Scientist has posted a generally positive review of the film. A spoiler or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 I too miss when Trek was going for (sort of spoiler I guess, if you haven't read anything ever about this film) actual sf ideas instead of space battles and revenge, a pattern I feel KHAN was generally responsible for, despite having some of the best in there in the Genesis device. Not that I mind, as I love that film with every fiber of my existence.With the good reviews coming in from the UK premiere, I'm very excited. UK critic Jonathan Ross tweeted to say it was the best Trek ever, but then again, he did say BATMAN FOREVER was the best movie he'd ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
222max 1 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Here are a couple of glowing reviews as well. And to those many across the net decrying this to be a dumbed-down Trek I have to say... You know what? None of the movies were ever that smart. The only one to approach any level of conceptual Sci-Fi was TMP and even at that it was just a rehash of The Changeling and The Doomsday Machine. In fact the vast majority of Star Trek TOS episodes were not so much about ideas as they were the interplay of the characters. Most of the stories were pretty absurd and vacuous when you really think about them. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/revie...Trek-movie.htmlhttp://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol...icle6135968.ece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Great photos from the scoring sessions here...http://www.scoringsessions.com/news/179/Nice. Where'd they get the blood wine? That Daily Mail review has been on the Drudge Report the last couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf 4 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 The guy on the right is clearly giving the equivalent of a Vulcan birdie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Yes, and the first man in a yellow shirt is demonstrating the Vulcan Bunny to the lady beside him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 According to Varese via Trekmovie.com there's going to be a Giacchino signing event for the new CD:Date: 4/18/2009 Varèse Sarabande Records and Best Buy present a special in-store appearance and autograph event by Michael Giacchino, celebrating the release of his new score for STAR TREK! Be the film to hear and own the new soundtrack, on its release day, May 5, 2009!Visit us on May 5 at 7:00 pm. Best BuyWest Hollywood CA (Store 393)1015 N. La Brea AveWest Hollywood, CA 90038 Hope to see you there!Will this event produce that most unthinkable of all scenarios: getting Neil to walk into a Best Buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Oh my. I may have to go to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 If Neil's in Philly, and that shindig's in California, is Michael G's signature on a 45 minute soundtrack worth the several hundred dollars for an airplane ticket? Especially if we have members in California nearby to help him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 The short answer is........No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 If Neil's in Philly, and that shindig's in California, is Michael G's signature on a 45 minute soundtrack worth the several hundred dollars for an airplane ticket? Especially if we have members in California nearby to help him out.Neil lives in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 How else would have been able to be an extra in the film? C'mon Wojo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 What does Neil have against Best Buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Speaking of Neil, where's he been? Hasn't posted in awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Oy. Did he move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuttersteps 1 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 FSM Podcast on Star Trek (don't think it's been posted yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Holy crap. A new FSM podcast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Oy. Did he move?Yes. A while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I'd move from PA to CA, too, if an opportunity presented itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 FSM Podcast on Star Trek (don't think it's been posted yet)Nice to see GENERATIONS getting some love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 Generash*t. Dennis McCarthy couldn't write to save his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 FSM Podcast on Star Trek (don't think it's been posted yet)There are some longer snippets from Giacchino's score. Cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Generash*t. Dennis McCarthy couldn't write to save his life.He's a technically flawless composr, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Generash*t. Dennis McCarthy couldn't write to save his life.I agree with Steef. While he might not write as memorable themes as Goldsmith and co. you have to remember that the dictate for his scores for Next Generation and the film was to keep it subtle and under the radar. I always found Yesterday's Enterprise episode quite well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Well, he sucks compared to Giacchino. That much is certain. I'm really digging everything I've heard so far, except for that kind of generic Nero theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 FSM Podcast on Star Trek (don't think it's been posted yet)Is there unreleased music? Generash*t. Dennis McCarthy couldn't write to save his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Well, he sucks compared to Giacchino. That much is certain. I'm really digging everything I've heard so far, except for that kind of generic Nero theme.I don't think he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 the Hollywood Reporter trade paper referred to Giacchino's score as disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 the Hollywood Reporter trade paper referred to Giacchino's score as disappointing.So far, based on what I've heard of it, I would have to agree with what someone in the FSM podcast said: it's a very modern (not modernist) sounding Hollywood orchestral blockbuster score. It's not "bad" by means, and I'm sure it'll suit the film quite well, but it's not an aesthetic that much appeals to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 the Hollywood Reporter trade paper referred to Giacchino's score as disappointing.Why would you listen to someone else's opinion? Why not just make a judgment for yourself when you listen to it? That's what I end up doing with scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I with Trent. I know I'll like it no matter what, because it's Giacchino. I haven't even listened to the samples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 FSM Podcast on Star Trek (don't think it's been posted yet)"It's Star Trek Begins."Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I've only listened to the samples once, I don't want to overexpose myself. I'm still debating on when to listen to the CD, especially as I plan, for the first time for any movie, to go to a midnight showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 If not for the event with Giacchino at Best Buy, I'm sure I'd just wait till after I see the movie. But...it's happening, and I'd really like to go, so I may end up just taking a leap of faith with this score and going on Tuesday to buy it and get it signed. 8O (Maybe if I get the opportunity and if I'm feeling REALLY adventurous, I'll even casually mention the Lostpedia article I started about his themes...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 You could buy it and not listen to it if you want to wait until you see the film. If I lived in California, I'd be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I with Trent. I know I'll like it no matter what, because it's Giacchino. I haven't even listened to the samples.So you're openly admitting to being a biased fanboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I'm saying Giacchino is a composer I blind buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 You could buy it and not listen to it if you want to wait until you see the film. If I lived in California, I'd be there.I'm sure that's what I'll end up doing, but my point is that I don't even know for sure if I'll like the music. Realistically, I probably will, quite a bit. But I've avoided listening to the samples too much, and I know that I've never found a composer who has ONLY written stuff I like.But yeah, considering it's Giacchino and Trek, I'd say the chances of me regretting the purchase are gonna be slim. 8O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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