The Big Bad Star Trek XI Thread

[Marian Schedenig 8,193]

It is also possible to just dump the antimatter to prevent a breach, assuming it's dump it in time.

Dumping antimatter? Doesn't sound like a good idea.

I loved the movie, but I would say the science is moronic at best. NOTHING can escape a black hole.

Not quite true. Black holes emit radiation. But that's a quite different thing. Still, the whole point of the warp drive is to overcome the limitations of Einstein's discoveries, so I don't have a problem with warp getting you out of a black hole's reach.

[Datameister 2,042]

Just got back. Definitely a fun movie...I'm looking forward to seeing it again, and I will indeed be ordering the soundtrack, as I expected I would. I haven't had a chance to sit down a piano yet, but I already know exactly how I'm gonna play the main theme.

[aviazn 273]

I only counted the four-note motif once, when they bring Pike back, which I believe is the end of 'Nero Death Experience'.

On the whole, I didn't notice a whole lot of stuff that's not on the album, aside from the main title and some of the Vulcan bits.

I know the four-note motif is also used at the beginning of the film, when the shuttle to

Starfleet Academy carrying Jim and McCoy takes off

. But I guess that's the only other time, so...twice. Although in my mind, I guess I connected Giacchino's four-note motif (as heard in the film on flutter tongue-flute at the main titles in the film, and in tremolo strings on "Enterprising Young Men") with the Courage one. It sounds almost like an inversion to me...

I also definitely miss the music from the

drill

fight scene and some of the music on

Delta Vega

, as well as the pure choral version of the main theme at the climax of the film.

[Datameister 2,042]

This very well could end up being my next major complete soundtrack project. Now I just have to wait for...you know...the DVDs to be released! =/

Just ordered the soundtrack, too.

[artyjeffrey 20]

Pine, Quinto and Nimoy just made a cameo tonight on SNL's Weekend Update, pleading with hardcore Trekkies to be openminded to the film. Nimoy told Pine that no doubt in the ensuing years his portrayal would surpass that of the original Kirk, while patting Quinto on the back and telling him that he would NOT be able to surpass the original Spock, but could come close. There were mock Trekkies in the crowd, the stars expressing concern over how dangerous angry Trekkies can be, etc. Nimoy said those Trekkies not seeing the new film would be "dickheads." You know, the usual promo stuff.

So do you think it's Nimoy's dentures, or that he's just aging? He's getting up there. Still cool to see that he has a sense of humor. You gotta die with that.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

He's nearly 80, he seems good for his age.

[pete 907]

Nimoy said those Trekkies not seeing the new film would be "dickheads."

I liked that bit! Here it is on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ps0UtOI7nM

[Williamsfan301 11]

Pine, Quinto and Nimoy just made a cameo tonight on SNL's Weekend Update, pleading with hardcore Trekkies to be openminded to the film. Nimoy told Pine that no doubt in the ensuing years his portrayal would surpass that of the original Kirk, while patting Quinto on the back and telling him that he would NOT be able to surpass the original Spock, but could come close. There were mock Trekkies in the crowd, the stars expressing concern over how dangerous angry Trekkies can be, etc. Nimoy said those Trekkies not seeing the new film would be "dickheads." You know, the usual promo stuff.

So do you think it's Nimoy's dentures, or that he's just aging? He's getting up there. Still cool to see that he has a sense of humor. You gotta die with that.

It's his dentures. He sounded the same way when he hosted Star Trek: Beyond the Final Frontier on History Channel back in '06.

[Morlock 11]

Just saw it. Rambling thoughts:

I was sure I was going to be dissapointed. I was not. Finally, someone managed to get an origins story right.

Not too on the nose, felt brisk, but not too rushed (well, maybe a little).

No real sagging sections.

I liked all the cast. They really tapped into my impressions of the original series cast (Knowing them only from the movies). Did a great job of retaining character mannerisms, yet the characters still came alive.

Visual effects were quite good, and put to very imaginative and exciting use.

Score worked quite well in the film, but that main theme is exceedingly weak. Spock's theme is far better, and is the one I left the theater whisteling. Nothing really momentous about it...but it got the job done quite well.

A fantastic piece of entertainment that does all the load-baring it needed to do without being encumbered by the weight.

The last few films in the franchise seem particularly flimsy at the moment.

I'd almost forgotten about Neil...I laughed out loud when I saw him there.

[Joe Brausam 214]

Ohh, Neal is in it? At what point?

[JoeinAR 1,949]

Sorry BB a black hole is something that theoretically can be escaped given size, and power, but yes the science in this movie is terrible.

As much as I love it, I can't help but want to nitpick it apart, and will after I see my mom today.

[Marian Schedenig 8,193]

Sorry BB a black hole is something that theoretically can be escaped given size, and power

Size?

[David Coscina 3]

Saw the film last night and it was fantastic.

It's in the top 5 of all 11 films as far as I'm concerned. To quote a statement from Daniel Schweiger's review; "Just imagine if Star Wars Episode One was indeed as good as you’d hoped for, and you’ll get the adrenalin rush of what Abrams has accomplished here with tons of fanboy love."

Link to review.

http://www.buzzine.com/2009/05/live-anew-and-prosper/

This film takes characters we've cared about and treats them with respect. I thought everyone did a great job with the roles, especially Urban as McCoy & Quinto as Spock.

Where to begin? Visually the film was fantastic, I love the design of the Enterprise and I kinda liked the "new" design of engineering. It gives one the feeling that even with advances in technology sometimes it's just the plain grittiness that gets stuff done.

I thought Bana was very good, I thought the actor who played Kirk's dad was good. Of course it was a treat to see Nimoy although his voice was somewhat distracting, it appears Leonard has some new dentures and I wasn't the only one to notice it.

I really don't have any problems with the film, all the ones that were mentioned by people really weren't noticeable or distracting.

Giacchino's music fit the film like a glove, if any one is wondering the first cue on the CD covers the Paramount, Spyglass and Bad Robot logos. The music that plays over the Star Trek title after the Kelvin sequence appears to be either tracked from "Enterprising Young Men" or seperately recorded. I think Chris Tilton posted at FSM that there were several versions recorded for that title sequence.

The Kobiyashi Maru sequence was hilarious, and neat to see who designed the no win scenerio. Also saw Mr. Bulk. Did anyone else realize what

uniform Admiral Pike

was wearing? Also Mr. Sulu's first moments had me chuckling. And yes I got goosebumps when we first see the Enterprise with Giacchino's music going full force.

I'm a huge fan of the original series and for those that have doubts, don't worry, this film and the franchise is treated with the utmost respect. As Joe said, bring on Star Trek II.

Oh yeah, I know this film has to be good because my daughter, of all people, liked the film. If she likes a sci-fi film then trust me, it's good.

Thanks for the review Mark. I have heard very good things from friends of mine who are filmmakers and Trek fans to boot. Must take the wife to see this one as she loved Next Generation. Me, I grew up with the original but gotta say I really enjoyed NG a little more because of the plots and characters. This ought to be enjoyable.

I asked my best bud how this Abrams re-boot compares to MI:3 and he said there is no comparison- ST blows MI:3 out of the water. I guess it helps not to have micro-managing, on-his-knees gushing Mr. Cruise at the helm. He he he.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

Having seen the film last night, I can echo the sentiments of Joey and Mark. This movie is indeed terrific! Absolutely wonderful. It is simply astonishing how this team brought this movie together, and here's why: It is unlike any Star Trek that comes before it. And yet...it feels exactly like a Star Trek movie. You feel right at home from the very beginning. And that was one thing I feared this movie would never be able to achieve. But oohhh it did.

The casting was spot on through and through, and even Chekov, despite the overdone accent was certainly very good. Karl Urban, Chris Pine, Simon Pegg, and Zachary Quinto, Zoe Saldana, John Cho, and Anton Yelchin, were all just plain good. My favorite in the movie was Scotty, but these guys all did such a good job that without one of them, this movie would not have been what it is.

The story was good, the villian was good. Neither were mind blowing, and they were never meant to be. The plot is never at the forefront. It is always about our characters and their humanity (and lack there of). And that is what Star Trek should be.

But what do I love most about this film as a blockbuster? Every action set piece was tenaciously focused. There was not a single wasted gratuitous action scene in the movie. Every single one from the very first to the very last served to develop a character and/or their relationships with each other. And that was one of the most refreshing aspects of this movie I've seen. I simply cannot believe the men who wrote Transformers wrote this movie...they have truly outdone themselves...by lightyears.

I went with my other half and four of our friends, three of which weren't at all Star Trek ones. Every single one of us will see this movie again.

Final answer? See it. Now. Take everyone you know. They will love it.

Now for the score, I have to say it worked significantly better in the movie than it did on album. The album is terrifying by comparison, and I feel like I was a too rough on it as a result. The theme has a very intimate personality to it that comes out more when you see it contextualized in the movie, and suddenly it works perfectly. It's not Motion Picture, or Khan. But it is certainly not at the bottom as I originally thought it would be upon my first and second album listens. It is a very "grow on you" score. Give it time, and really, see the movie.

[Marian Schedenig 8,193]

The casting was spot on through and through, and even Chekov, despite the overdone accent was certainly very good.

The way I see it, given his strong accent decades later, it only makes sense for him to have such an extreme one in his early days.

Karl Urban, Chris Pine, Simon Pegg, and Zachary Quinto, Zoe Saldana, John Cho, and Anton Yelchin, were all just plain good. My favorite in the movie was Scotty, but these guys all did such a good job that without one of them, this movie would not have been what it is.

Scotty was the one some friends of mine liked least. I thought he was fine. But Urban steals the show.

The story was good, the villian was good. Neither were mind blowing, and they were never meant to be. The plot is never at the forefront. It is always about our characters and their humanity (and lack there of). And that is what Star Trek should be.

And that's why I was so looking forward to Abrams-helmed Trek. Rightfully so, it turned out.

Final answer? See it. Now. Take everyone you know. They will love it.

It certainly seems so. I can repeat what I said about Casino Royale: Never mind if you are a Trek fan or not, this isn't just a great Trek movie, it's a great movie.

Now for the score, I have to say it worked significantly better in the movie than it did on album. The album is terrifying by comparison, and I feel like I was a too rough on it as a result. The theme has a very intimate personality to it that comes out more when you see it contextualized in the movie, and suddenly it works perfectly. It's not Motion Picture, or Khan. But it is certainly not at the bottom as I originally thought it would be upon my first and second album listens. It is a very "grow on you" score. Give it time, and really, see the movie.

I don't have the album yet (will take a few more weeks to arrive I suppose), but after Trek, I think Lost really shows Giacchino's most personal style to date (I think he's not such much the "next John Williams" but more the "next Bernard Herrmann"). And his Trek is similar in many ways - not in your face, not built around a rousing theme, but carefully crafted of several themes that connect to the plot very well, bringing them together for some wonderful counterpoints, and doing an excellent job of supporting the film. If 30 years from now they decide to give a LOTR movie series another try, Giacchino may very well be the right man for it.

[Morlock 11]

There was not a single wasted gratuitous action scene in the movie. Every single one from the very first to the very last served to develop a character and/or their relationships with each other.

I agree with almost all of your comments. The only thing that struck me as a bit too much was the big red monster before first meating Nimoy. Didn't think it fit, nor was it necessary.

[Marian Schedenig 8,193]

I was going to comment on that. The entire "there's always a bigger... beast" sequence was somewhat annoying. I accepted it when it lead to Kirk's meeting with Spock, but at first I thought the entire point of marooning Kirk would be to have him chased by monsters for 10 minutes.

[Morlock 11]

I was going to comment on that. The entire "there's always a bigger... beast" sequence was somewhat annoying. I accepted it when it lead to Kirk's meeting with Spock, but at first I thought the entire point of marooning Kirk would be to have him chased by monsters for 10 minutes.

Precisely my experience.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

As I put in my review, it reminded me of the Naboo core sequence from TPM.

[King Mark 3,631]

When Kirk first spots the monster in the distance it's exactly like ESB when Luke sees Han's Taun Taun .Kirk even looks like Luke in Hoth costume. I'm sure it was an intentional reference

[Ollie 1,059]

I couldn't help but get a little misty eyed when Old Spock says "I have been and always shall be your friend". Another teary moment was

when Spock and Sarek were talking and he told Spock he married Amanda because he loved her

.

[John Crichton 4]

I was grinning ear to ear almost the entire time the first time I saw it, but McCoy had more than a few lines that made me beam that much more.

Nimoy does look quite good for 80. He looks old in the face, but still moves around quite well.

BTW, Abrams dropped a hint about something possible for the next movie in an interview with Trekmovie.com:

He said the hardest decision the entire movie was deciding not to ask Shatner back. He said he tried every way he could to have old Kirk back but couldn't find a way to accomplish it logically within the story. But, he did hint that he may be working on a way for it to happen in the next one.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

Resurrected Borg-Shatner comes back in time to save Nimoy!

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

Does anyone else pick up those annoying pops in "Star Trek" on the album? Gaah those are irritating! I thought it was just my CD, but I checked and it's also on the iTunes sample.

[Ollie 1,059]

No mine plays fine.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

I must be listening too loud. They're just loud enough to be annoying when listening on headphones, but I'm sure most people didn't notice.

[King Mark 3,631]

I have headphones and didn;t notice any pops

[Taikomochi 1,136]

I thought it was pretty good. Definitely the best movie I've seen in some time. I wouldn't call it excellent, but it certainly excels. I'd say it's as good as "First Contact" which was, until now, my favorite piece of Star Trek media.

I am curious as to what seen "Nice To Meld You" accompanies.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

I thought it was pretty good. Definitely the best movie I've seen in some time. I wouldn't call it excellent, but it certainly excels. I'd say it's as good as "First Contact" which was, until now, my favorite piece of Star Trek media.

I am curious as to what seen "Nice To Meld You" accompanies.

I'd imagine it's when

Nimoy melds with Kirk and we get the flashback.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

It's not. I remember that scene having more emotional music. I'm so confused with this track...or maybe it is and I'm very wrong. The movie went by in a flash. Which is why I need to see it again.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

The movie went by in a flash. Which is why I need to see it again.

Same here.

[Ollie 1,059]

I think there was a different cue playing during the meld.

For some reason the theatre I saw it in had the sound cranked a little louder than normal so it was hard to hear the music at times, with the sound effects and all.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

I just downloaded the Star Trek Mobile game on my iPhone.

There's unreleased music on it. Now how to get it off. It's a different take of the Enterprising Young Men theme...

[Datameister 2,042]

I agree that the movie felt very fast. If the sequel had already been made, I totally would have stayed in the theater to watch them back-to-back.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

I would've gone straight into another showing if it wasn't 2.30am.

[Taikomochi 1,136]

I'd imagine it's when

Nimoy melds with Kirk and we get the flashback.

As they said, it is not. I had initially assumed that so I listened closely when I saw it the second time and the music is way different.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

Strange. Where's John Takis and his notepad when you need him?

[Datameister 2,042]

Also, regarding the black hole discussion...ANYTHING can escape a black hole. It just needs to have enough force applied to it, and it needs to be outside the event horizon. Once you pass the event horizon, you'd have to travel faster than the speed of light to escape. But that's possible in the Star Trek universe, so even that's not an issue. As long as the spaghettification isn't too intense, that is. (Yes, that's the technical term for it.)

[King Mark 3,631]

John Takis takes his notepad to IMPORTANT scores...mainly blockbuster John Williams scores

[Ollie 1,059]

Too bad there hasn't been one in awhile.

[King Mark 3,631]

Well,the unreleased music in KotCS is still far more important than the unreleased music in Star Trek

[Ollie 1,059]

To you yes.

I'm much more interested in ST.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

To you yes.

I'm much more interested in ST.

[Romão 2,274]

This is a clear example of a score seen as much better than it really is based solely on the popularity of the movie

[Ollie 1,059]

Don't be so hard on KOTCS.

[Romão 2,274]

I was talking about Star Trek

[King Mark 3,631]

and to prove I'm no Giacchino hater:

Lost Season 4 c.d.= amazing.

[Datameister 2,042]

Also, on the physics issues...a far bigger problem was when

they're transported to the Enterprise right before they hit the ground. They were falling at a speed that would have killed them. But instead of either being killed by the impact with the transporter room floor or brought to a halt by the the transporter beam itself, they just fell hard enough for it to hurt.

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But I'm not losing any sleep over it.

[King Mark 3,631]

yes but if this was a Star wars prequel we wouldn't hear the end of it

[Ollie 1,059]

No.

All sci-fi films are full of errors.

However a good story and acting overshadows them.