Trumpeteer 302 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 ... would be similar to the dry spell we face now. I wonder what all of you would have been like if you realized that after the fun and brilliance and boldness of "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom," you were stuck with two calendar years without a Williams score.But then, the next two scores would turn out to be "Empire of the Sun" and "The Witches of Eastwick" in 1987. The first is good, not great. The second knocks my socks off every time.So, after the brilliance and boldness of "Munich" and "Memoirs of a Geisha," we are, after 20 years, in another dry spell. We made it through 2006 OK, save the stupidness that is Santaolalla's repeat Oscar thievery. We're almost at the halfway point of 2007, and all we're going to get is "Hedwig's Theme."Will we make it to summer 2008? Or will we revolt, as I'm sure JW fans of 1985 and 1986 certainly did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Spacecamp came out in 1986. Hardly a seminal work, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 I'm doing the same thing I did 20 years ago, listening to all of my other great scores and not worrying about Williams possibly going into semi-retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 And Amazing Stories was in 1985.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Definitely a great couple years, and kind of a turning point for Williams' sound.Ray Barnsbury - who knows that's not the point of the thread, but still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Spacecamp is excellent**the score not the filmK.m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Meh, it's got a few nice tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 the fun and brilliance and boldness of "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom"the brilliance and boldness of "Munich" and "Memoirs of a Geisha""The Witches of Eastwick" knocks my socks off every time."Empire of the Sun" : good, not great.Your comment of Empire of the Sun should've read: Serious, weighty and celestial. Yes, less "fun" and entertaining than any of the above but ultimately more important. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 If you don't think Empire of the Sun is great, you need to listen to it more.....I feel......SpaceCamp? I'm in the "OK movie, good score" camp.....Boldness and brilliance of Memoirs of a Geisha? I must have missed that few seconds!Greg - who knows that Indiana Jones 4 will not be too long now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 I find nothing brilliant or bold in the Munich score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 I wouldn't use those words, but there's something special there, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 No there isn't. It's run of the mill serious Williams scoring.Only slightly more varied then SPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 The Munich theme (in Remembering Munich,Avner and Daphina) is very good.Prayer for Peace is more run of the mill "serious" Williams but still good beeing all orchestralK.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 It's always good to be a John Williams fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Teens are smarter than we give them credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 No there isn't. It's run of the mill serious Williams scoring. Only Williams scores that I'd call run-of-the-mill are Home Alone 2 and The Patriot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I'd add AOTC & ROTS to that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Geisha as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Well, I wouldn't concider any of them run of the mill, they all have a special something, a certain soul to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Home Alone 2 has a certain soul to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I'll take Home Alone 2 over Munich any day of the week and twice on Sunday.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Yes, but you're you. You're the kind of guy who loves The Black Dahlia. Who knows what kind of twisted outlook you have on the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 He probably loved it before he went inYes, but you're you. You're the kind of guy who loves The Black Dahlia. Who knows what kind of twisted outlook you have on the world.He has to love it, it's Brian De Palma, Neil's favorite director. He probably already was in love with it before he went in the theater.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted May 16, 2007 Author Share Posted May 16, 2007 I knew about "Spacecamp," but it came and went so fast in 1986 that it was registered as a blip until it came out on video.Given the little time John Williams had to score "Munich" (about six weeks, I read), he did some pretty amazing things.And I'd pick "Munich" over "Home Alone 2" even with a gun to my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Wouldn't go so far as to say I "love" The Black Dahlia. I haven't even seen it on video. I haven't rented it or bought it.I do think it was better than most movies last year though.But that doesn't change that I find Home Alone 2 a far more interesting listen than Munich.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 And I'd pick "Munich" over "Home Alone 2" even with a gun to my head.No, no, no, Home Alone 2 was a very expensive CD so it has to be better than Munich. It's simple logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Geisha and ROTS are not run-of-the-mill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 More like "run-out-of-town" or "run-out-of-steam".Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 munich is senile music from senile JW. its an irrelevant score, not worthy of discussion, and the film is one of SS's worst in recent memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest macrea Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 It's all a matter of perspective. As I recall, in 1985-86 I heard Williams' music every night on a network news broadcast and every Sunday night on a TV series, plus there was a spectacular run of Evening at Pops broadcasts around that time. There was also a lot of hoopla over the Liberty Centennial. To me "Spacecamp" is a terrific score and with all the other stuff going on it didn't seem like a dry spell at all. Nothing at all like the present in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Yes agreed and at least back then and during other Williams score dry spells we had Boston Pops albums relased. This is a serious dry-spell like none we have experienced before!Home Alone 2 is definitely not run of the mill Williams, specifically as it's an improvement upon Home Alone and features some of his best and most complex scoring in many guises.- Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 The difference is that 20 years ago, Williams was still "young" by comparison.And HA2 isn't run-of-the-mill. It's an excellent score, better than the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Yes I think some people forget Williams is over 75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 He might be dead already and we just have not been informed yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Sweet. Where's Roald when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 We need Roald? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Who or what drove him away? Was it nasty? Give me all the details! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 I think he's still directing that Gomp film of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now