The Alexcremers & Morlock Thread

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 11,751]

My gift to our 2 most bickering members. So then can exhange pleasant banter till their heart's content. And not clog up an otherwise fine thread.....

[Morlock 11]

My unbiased exit polls show Morlock currently leading by 100%.

Otherwise....it's kind of hard to get this started. The great discussions started organically, from a throw-away comment.

[Jim 6,154]

If this stays open:

Sorry for being a spoilsport.

[Red 75]

Uh.....Blade Runner is one of the best films ever?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 11,751]

It clearly isn't. A lot of pretty pictures, but that's it.

They can't even decide if Harrison Ford is a robot or not.....

[Indiana_Fett 0]

John Williams sucks! There!

[Jim 6,154]

Howard Shore gave more to film music in 3 years than Williams did in the last 15 years.

TGE - Talking facts, whilst upping his post count.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 11,751]

That's just being foolish and allsweeping about it. The trick is to explain in a very elaborate manner why he sucks, and therefore why you are a stupid idiot because you cannot see what is so blindingly obvious....

[Red 75]

I'm not sure if this thread will coax Alex out of leaving his cav--I mean his home, the "What's the Last Film you Watched" thread.

[Jim 6,154]

That's just being foolish and allsweeping about it. The trick is to explain in a very elaborate manner why he sucks, and therefore why you are a stupid idiot because you cannot see what is so blindingly obvious....

If you weren't joking I'd send you a cassette ost of James Horners Patriot Games.

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

Comments about film music are unlikely to start anything here, as Alex rarely graces the subject with his presence.

Ray Barnsbury

[Ollie 1,364]

Steef you're a riot.

[FBC Director 10,681]

They're sooooooooo cute together!

[A24 5,017]

Uh.....Blade Runner is one of the best films ever?

It's certainly one of the best sci-fi film ever. Anyway, what fascinates me, is that you make it sound as if my point of view is very rare. Well, I agree it's not a huge crowd pleaser but you would be surprised how well-respected and loved Blade Runner is. However, I do understand that it's not the kind of film that suits the taste of the average Potter/Indiana Jones/Star Wars/Jurassic Park fan.

Ray, I realize that I don't talk about Williams as often as I used to. The reason for this is that, unlike some, I can't repeat the same opinions/discussions about the same topics over and over again. I think the subject is limited (as opposed to film which has new releases every week). Plus, John's latest output (Munich, Memoirs, ROTS, WOTW) disappoints me greatly. I'm still a fan but no longer fanatical.

Alex

[Luke Skywalker 2,300]

the word 'fan' implies fanatical.

And a machine that moves air.

If memoirs did disappoint you greatly, im sorry for you becasue i dont think anything more from williams will please you...

[Morlock 11]

The world fan does not imply fanatical. I am a fan of many, but fanatical about very few.

[robthehand 3]

Uh.....Blade Runner is one of the best films ever?

It's certainly one of the best sci-fi film ever. Anyway, what fascinates me, is that you make it sound as if my point of view is very rare. Well, I agree it's not a huge crowd pleaser but you would be surprised how well-respected and loved Blade Runner is. However, I do understand that it's not the kind of film that suits the taste of the average Potter/Indiana Jones/Star Wars/Jurassic Park fan.

Not that I'm suggesting he fits that description, but FYI red_rabbit likes Blade Runner (see here).

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

Ray, I realize that I don't talk about Williams as often as I used to. The reason for this is that, unlike some, I can't repeat the same opinions/discussions about the same topics over and over again. I think the subject is limited (as opposed to film which has new releases every week). Plus, John's latest output (Munich, Memoirs, ROTS, WOTW) disappoints me greatly. I'm still a fan but no longer fanatical.

Understandable, and I definitely agree about his 2005 output (I find 2004 to have been a vastly superior year for Williams). But still, there's more to film music than modern Williams. I guess it just depends on the flow of discussion around here as far as the freshness or tiredness of various topics.

Ray Barnsbury

[BLUMENKOHL 1,089]

I have to say, this is probably the freshest thread on here in a long time. Beings our luck, it'll probably end up closed or deleted by the end of the day. If not that, the forum will explode .

[Red 75]

Uh.....Blade Runner is one of the best films ever?

It's certainly one of the best sci-fi film ever. Anyway, what fascinates me, is that you make it sound as if my point of view is very rare. Well, I agree it's not a huge crowd pleaser but you would be surprised how well-respected and loved Blade Runner is. However, I do understand that it's not the kind of film that suits the taste of the average Potter/Indiana Jones/Star Wars/Jurassic Park fan.

Not that I'm suggesting he fits that description, but FYI red_rabbit likes Blade Runner (see here).

Yes, I do. But I'm also a fan of Potter/Indy/Star Wars/Jurassic Park.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,089]

But I'm also a fan of Potter/Indy/Star Wars/Jurassic Park.

That's nice, he said average, and it's true.

[Red 75]

I see.

[A24 5,017]

Your first post in this thread was very strange.

[Red 75]

Just trying to make conversation (arguement).

[A24 5,017]

Then why don't you argue? Who are you? What makes you tick? Let's us know!

[Elmo Lewis 7]

This isn't so much the 'Alexcremers vs. Morlock' thread as much as the 'Alexcremers seeks new fronts' thread. Shame.

Morlock, where are you? You display such good shape in your Movie thread.

[Red 75]

Ah. Well... I attended Juilliard... I'm a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively. I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT... NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO A DEAD GUY... NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK?

[Morlock 11]

This isn't so much the 'Alexcremers vs. Morlock' thread as much as the 'Alexcremers seeks new fronts' thread. Shame.

Morlock, where are you? You display such good shape in your Movie thread.

I did not want to spoil everybody's mood by discussing Lady in The Water, and I haven't (as far as I know) seen anything that me and Alex disagree about to a huge, ungulf-able degree. I suppose I could just throw in a "Titanic is a great film", or a "Dark City is better than Matrix", or a "AI is a great film" for old times sake. But it feels awefully forced.

[Elmo Lewis 7]

Yes, I see.

Tell me, how did you like the ending of Schindler's List, Morlock?

[A24 5,017]

Ah. Well... I attended Juilliard... I'm a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively. I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT... NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO A DEAD GUY... NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK?

You're always hiding behind a mask (the avatar is well chosen) and you like to stir things up

[Morlock 11]

I like it, but can understand how others don't.

DAMMIT!

[Elmo Lewis 7]

You're just no fun at all.

So... Spielberg has lost his grip on the fantasy/adventure genre lately, don't you guys think?

[Red 75]

Ah. Well... I attended Juilliard... I'm a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively. I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT... NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO A DEAD GUY... NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK?

You're always hiding behind a mask (the avatar is well chosen) and you like to stir things up

Kudos if you can name where that quote comes from.

Oh, and I don't like stirring things up. If I did, I'd probably piss everyone off. I like expressing my opinions like everyone else.

[A24 5,017]

Beetlejuice.

[Morlock 11]

You're just no fun at all.

So... Spielberg has lost his grip on the fantasy/adventure genre lately, don't you guys think?

No more so than he has in general. And he has. Munich was a mess. His four movies before that were all blemished by their bad endings (AI was the last time he had a great ending). Like Terry Gilliams said about War of the Worlds- Spielberg can still direct great scenes, but can no longer make a movie. Still, his movies are good, despite needing to be tighter and shorter.

[Marian Schedenig 11,267]

Ah. Well... I attended Juilliard... I'm a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively. I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT... NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO A DEAD GUY... NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Pleased to meet you...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 11,751]

Beetlejuice.

Not a bad film, but like every Tim Burton film I've seen it suffers from dreadfull pacing. It feels over 2 hours long.

[Morlock 11]

Not every Burton film feels too long. Ed Wood doesn't Big Fish and Sleepy Hollow didn't feel too long to me, either.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 11,751]

Let's just say I thought Sleepy Hollow was aptly named....

[Morlock 11]

Than why did you change it's title?

[Neimoidian 14]

You're just no fun at all.

So... Spielberg has lost his grip on the fantasy/adventure genre lately, don't you guys think?

No more so than he has in general. And he has. Munich was a mess. His four movies before that were all blemished by their bad endings (AI was the last time he had a great ending). Like Terry Gilliams said about War of the Worlds- Spielberg can still direct great scenes, but can no longer make a movie. Still, his movies are good, despite needing to be tighter and shorter.

I agree with Gilliam, but only to some extent. I find "The Terminal" really good comedy and its ending was also quite good, wasn't it? I am not going to discuss "Munich" since it is not the right place to do it, but what I must say is that no matter how one can argue against the depicted story or the message of the movie, this film wasn't a mess. I have seen it 4 or 5 times so far and every time I am even more impressed of how well it was directed.

[A24 5,017]

I am not going to discuss "Munich" since it is not the right place to do it, but what I must say is that no matter how one can argue against the depicted story or the message of the movie, this film wasn't a mess. I have seen it 4 or 5 times so far and every time I am even more impressed of how well it was directed.

Yes, not a mess, a bit monotonic and a few odd choices, yes, but not a mess.

[King Mark 3,907]

The sex scene ending is very weird

[Red 75]

I liked The Terminal, movie and score.

[Ollie 1,364]

The score's ok. Some of it is a little too similar to CMIYC.

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

I like the score better than the film. And better than the CMIYC score. But the film is worse than CMIYC.

Ray Barnsbury

[A24 5,017]

Remember when I told you that John's output greatly disappointed me? Well, that did not include CMIYC.

[Morlock 11]

I agree with Gilliam, but only to some extent. I find "The Terminal" really good comedy and its ending was also quite good, wasn't it?

No. No it wasn't. I thought it was a terrific comedy with some wonderful performances (Catherine Zeta-Jones excepted). TI thought the ending was quite terrible, and seriously harmed the whole movie.

I am not going to discuss "Munich" since it is not the right place to do it, but what I must say is that no matter how one can argue against the depicted story or the message of the movie, this film wasn't a mess. I have seen it 4 or 5 times so far and every time I am even more impressed of how well it was directed.

Yes, not a mess, a bit monotonic and a few odd choices, yes, but not a mess.

Well, I won't pretend to be impartial on the matter, but I felt that there was a big gap between Tony Kushner's work and Eric Roth's work, and it was SO monotonic of everything on either pint of view, that it felt rather messy. It certainly didn't feel like an even film. One scene of this, one scene of that, one speech of this, one speech of that. Rarely was a balance achieved. And the last scene was the wrong scene to end the movie with, IMO. Though I did love the final image. A lot of great scenes, great ideas, and the film works as a concept, but I think the movie changes tones and ideas too often, and leaves a bit too many vague things and speeches that feel out of place. Not that I mind the vagueness as a rule- that's where the converstaion begins (I did like how we were never clear on the French faction), but too much of it felt off.

But, again, I fully concede that I cannot possibly judge the film with a clear slate (nor would I want to, frankly. It's okay to feel passionately about something).

I like the score better than the film. And better than the CMIYC score. But the film is worse than CMIYC.

I felt that the score in The Terminal is one of the rare occaisions where JW over-scored a film. I tought it was not subtle enough, and the score was mixed too loudly. It felt super-imposed onto the film, instead of being a part of the whole.

[Luke Skywalker 2,300]

The world fan does not imply fanatical. I am a fan of many, but fanatical about very few.

As far as i'm concerned, the word fan is an abriviation of fanatical.

I dont like it either. But the word 'fan' in this context was created with 'fanatical' in mind.

Back on topic more or less, I also dont understand the point of the sex scene in Munich, appart from telling us Avner is obsessed with the matter, but in the end i dont know if the flashbacks were part of his mind (he was realising bit a bit what happened in the olimpics). But since the 'act' finished satisfactorially for both (him and her) i dont see the point of the obsession...

[Elmo Lewis 7]

It's a visual counterpoint. You see humans killing humans in the flashbacks, and humans creating humans in the sex scene. It also shows the kind of legacy our children are going to inherit, in a somewhat roundabout way. But Hollywood doesn't usually make us read too much into sex scenes, which is why some people were confused watching it. Bana's distorted cum face doesn't help either.

'Life and Death' is actually a visual leit-motif in the movie. When Avner's team kills one of their first victims and he drops his grocery bags, there's a lenghty shot of his blood mixed with the milk he just bought (talking 'milk' a symbol for paternity, which I don't think it's that much of a stretch), which ammounts to the same effect.