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15 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

Menken's own recent work was not on the same level as his Disney Renaissance work.

True, I wonder if Howard Ashman were still around if Menkens recent work would be up to that level.

 

5 hours ago, 4te said:

Thanks for this comprehensive list, Groovygoth666! I really enjoyed watching the workprint as well and figuring out what all the temp tracks were. Here are a few that I caught to help fill in your list :)

 

Intro Aladdin (before One Jump Ahead): William Tell Overture from Caveman by Lalo Schifrin

Abu and the Needy Children: David Newman – Larry Looks For Ellen (from Mr. Destiny)

Jasmine in the Menagerie: Sad Goodbyes from Cocoon (James Horner)

Jafar Hypnotizes the Sultan: T'pring by Gerald Fried

Jasmine in the Menagerie: Farenheit 451 – Finale

Marketplace: Bagdad from The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad by Bernard Hermann

Jasmine Gets in Trouble in the Market: Scherhezade Suite: The Kalendar Prince (Rimsky-Korsakov)

Jasmine’s Sorrow: First Tears from Cocoon (James Horner)

Aladdin Imprisoned: The Miracle of the Ark by John Williams (Indiana Jones ROLK)

Aladdin Meets a Fellow Prisoner: Finale and End Credits from Indiana Jones LC by John Williams

Jafar in Disguise in the Prison: Mysterious Island – Prelude by Bernard Hermann

Aladdin Enters the Cave: Night Magic by Bernard Hermann

Cave of Wonders (Discovering the Lamp): Mountain Top from Journey to the Centre of the Earth by Bernard Hermann

Aladdin Apprehended by Jafar's Guards: Atlantis the Lost Continent (Overture) by Russell Garcia

Princess Jasmine In Love: T'pring by Gerald Fried

Genie's New Master / Jafar Takes Over: Larry Meets Jerry by David Newman (from Mr. Destiny)

Aladdin and Abu: Canyon of Mazes by James Horner (from Willow)

Jasmine Tricks Jafar: Transformation by Bernard Hermann (Seventh Voyage of Sinbad)

The Battle: Futile Escape by James Horner (Aliens)

Victory: Theme Medley from Memoirs of an Invisible Man by Shirley Walker

Aladdin Frees the Genie: Cocoon (The Ascension) by James Horner

 

Yeah it's interesting to see a lot of the animation in a very basic way, do you know if you watched the first or second workprint? I only watched the second one which wasn't that different to the final release but was curious if the other one had anything that was different? Awesome, thanks, that clears some more up. 

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1 hour ago, Groovygoth666 said:

True, I wonder if Howard Ashman were still around if Menkens recent work would be up to that level.

 

Yeah it's interesting to see a lot of the animation in a very basic way, do you know if you watched the first or second workprint? I only watched the second one which wasn't that different to the final release but was curious if the other one had anything that was different? Awesome, thanks, that clears some more up. 

To my knowledge, the various workprints are all based on the same source VHS and they're just different file types with varying amounts of blank space after. No differences to report as far as I know. 

I'd be really curious to see a full length workprint of The Little Mermaid and find out which temp tracks inspired its score as well!

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3 hours ago, 4te said:

To my knowledge, the various workprints are all based on the same source VHS and they're just different file types with varying amounts of blank space after. No differences to report as far as I know. 

I'd be really curious to see a full length workprint of The Little Mermaid and find out which temp tracks inspired its score as well!

Oh right, just heard there are two and assumed one was different, oh well.

 

I know there are bits and pieces of The Little Mermaid workprint out there, the temp tracks for Aladdin were mostly adventure music which makes sense, but for Mermaid I'm really not sure what they would have used. Hunchback would also be interesting to watch.

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4 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

I would be much more interested in more instrumental film scores from Menken than in another musical.

I thought the scores to the remakes of Beauty And The Beast & Aladdin really showed how much Menken's orchestral chops have grown.

I would love for him to a full length feutre again. I believe the last one was Mirror Mirror

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26 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said:

I thought the scores to the remakes of Beauty And The Beast & Aladdin really showed how much Menken's orchestral chops have grown.

I would love for him to a full length feutre again. I believe the last one was Mirror Mirror

I agree. I didn’t massively enjoy the films and didn’t like some of the changes to the songs (making BatB more epic in particular seemed at odds with the gorgeously understated original) but the underscoring for both was superb. 

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Following the discussion on civil war scores in another thread, giving his Lincoln score a listen. Lovely stuff even if the main theme sounds a bit like the carriage ride music from The Little Mermaid. For those who feel JW’s Lincoln score was a bit too understated, a fine alternative!

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4 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said:

Following the discussion on civil war scores in another thread, giving his Lincoln score a listen. Lovely stuff even if the main theme sounds a bit like the carriage ride music from The Little Mermaid. For those who feel JW’s Lincoln score was a bit too understated, a fine alternative!

 

I'll have to give his Lincoln score a listen! It's one that goes under the radar compared to his other works.

 

If anyone is looking for a deep dive analysis into Menken's score for The Little Mermaid, I highly recommend this podcast episode from Art of the Score. They do a fantastic job of playing out examples of the various themes and motifs of the score, and shed light on the musical influences and styles involved:

 

http://www.artofthescore.com.au/podcast/2019/12/24/episode-30-the-little-mermaid

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Hi guys, I have an extra ticket for the Hollywood in Vienna Gala Concert with Alan Menken on Sep. 24 and was wondering if anyone was interested. It's a pretty nice ticket which includes: 

 

- Invitation to the Hollywood in Vienna After Concert Cocktail with performers and stars of the gala

- Free entry to the Hollywood in Vienna Film Music Symposium with reserved seats (registration required!)

- Exclusive visit to a Hollywood in Vienna rehearsal (registration required!)

- Exclusive introductory lecture with background information before concert

- Welcoming drink provided by charming hostesses 

- Free and exclusive cloak check for Premium-Guests

- Programme booklet (signed by the composer if possible)

- State of the art designed concert badge

- Merchandising and poster

- If desired, your name will also be listed in the programme booklet as sponsor of the Max Steiner Film Music Achievement Award

 

I wanted to know if one of you guys was thinking of going since the event is completely sold out before selling it elsewhere. I payed it 300 euros so that would be the price. Let me know if you're interested. 

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I did it!

 

The Legacy Collection: Pocahontas

The Legacy Collection: Beauty and the Beast

Aladdin Special Edition CD

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Any fans of King David? For anyone who hasn’t heard it, it’s kind of a biblical oratorio done in the style of a Broadway show. I guess think Prince of Egypt done by Alan Menken. I’ve always loved it, mixing some beautiful intimate songs (Warm Spring Night, Absolom my Absolom, Sheer Perfection) and extended larger scale numbers (Hunted Partridge on a Hill and The Caravan Moves On) although the catchiest is probably (despite the improbable title) Saul Has Slain His Thousands. It’s a live recording but the performance and sound are pretty decent. Well worth checking out if you’re a fan. 

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On 26/03/2022 at 7:07 PM, Thor said:

Menken is this year's guest of honour at Hollywood in Vienna in the fall.

 

Let's see if it actually happens this year.

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4 hours ago, Marc said:

Last cue from Pocahontas, a true wonder for the ears !
 

 

Fantastic, Marc! Your covers are always so well done and very accurate. This is a really spectacular choice from Menken's repertoire (Y)

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I listened yesterday again to Pocahontas and this score gives me nothing. Unfortunetly. It has some really nice song material. But the instrumental score is for me nothing enjoyable on its own. Complete opposite to Beauty and the Beast.

This is not for me.

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4 hours ago, Joe Brausam said:

Omni Music teased on their Facebook that the score for Tangled is next up for them.

I don't remember anything about that score. Is it that good?

On the same level as Beauty and the Beast or The Hunchback of Notre Dame?

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1 minute ago, filmmusic said:

I don't remember anything about that score. Is it that good?

On the same level as Beauty and the Beast or The Hunchback of Notre Dame?

I think it's a bit below that. It's still marvelous, and the action music and some of the more dramatic stuff is brilliant. I really like it a lot.

Flynn Wanted, Horse With No Rider, Kingdom Dance, Waiting For The Lights, Realization And Escape, The Tear Heals & Kingdom Celebration are for me some of the best things he wrote. I really love it!

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Tangled is a weird choice.  I do like it though.  Wonder if that’s a sign that a Legacy Collection release is in the works (wishful thinking, probably).

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8 hours ago, filmmusic said:

I don't remember anything about that score. Is it that good?

On the same level as Beauty and the Beast or The Hunchback of Notre Dame?

 

It's the only Menken Disney musical where I thought the score is interesting on its own rather than just as a (mostly redundant) accompaniment to the songs.

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3 hours ago, Marc said:

And with these I conclude Alan's Disney Golden Era :D

 

What about the non golden era ? lol... Home on the range (ahhh, Cows !!! ;) ) , and Tangled ? and the worst of them all...  the film version of beauty and the beast and Aladdin 🙈(ears (eyes too lol) starting to bleed again..)

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I truly hope a score release for Menken's Disenchanted is coming. There is some terrific music in the film.

All the song melodies are used in the score in fun and interesting ways.

The end of the film has some of the most exciting orchestral and choral action music of Menken's career.

 

It would be a shame if all we got was that suite on the soundtrack album.

 

I liked the songs. They're not the best in his career but all the melodies are truly wonderful.

The Love Power ballad is good. The orchestrations are beautiful and Menzel has a very powerful vocal.

Badder is a lot of fun and does have some cleber rhyming and lyrics.

The other songs are maybe a bit basic but I enjoyed them for what they were.

 

Please give me more score!!!!

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