John Crichton 4 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Well, it's obvious where the inspiration for this came from. And no offense, gullwingdoors, but it's just a variation on an old question and it's getting the usual replies.So how about this: name three Williams cues that you think are masterful, first rate, perfect, whatever, that you think don't get the respect they deserve, don't get mentioned enough, etc. Let's bring them into the light.And here is the thread's #1 rule: You can not mention a cue that has already been mentioned. You can discuss previous choices, of course, but your three have to be original.And so, to start with, the three that pop up first in my head are:Attacking A Star Destroyer- The Empire Strikes BackArk Trek- Raiders of the Lost ArkThe Patriot- The Patriot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,064 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 The Patriot- The Patriot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 "The Banquet" (and "Never-Feast") from Hook. The theme is almost disturbingly infectious."David and the Supermecha" from A.I.. This score doesn't get enough respect."The Penitent Man will Pass" from The Last Crusade. Same as A.I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 I especially agree with your third choice there, John. Wonderful piece!Here are a few for me:"Jonathon Begins to Draw/The Landing" from "The Mission" - the culmination of Williams' classic 80s style, and I've heard it mentioned like twice here"Space Camp" from Space Camp - similar to the above, a great suite centered around the film's noble main theme"(In the) Moonlight" from Sabrina - a sweeping, romantic piece on par with the great Williams love themesRay Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 7, 2007 Author Share Posted July 7, 2007 The Patriot- The Patriot Yes, it does look silly to have the same title side by side, but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 49 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 "Rebel Fleet / End Title" - The Empire Strikes Back"Escape / Chase / Good-bye" - E.T."Prologue" - Hook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,064 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 I gotta pull this up and listen to it again.....just to check if you two aren't insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 "Rebel Fleet / End Title" - The Empire Strikes Back"Escape / Chase / Good-bye" - E.T."Prologue" - HookOkay, now you're just making up fake track names.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 "Rebel Fleet / End Title" - The Empire Strikes Back"Escape / Chase / Good-bye" - E.T."Prologue" - HookI'd call all three of those very, uh, heralded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,064 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 ....Yeah I just wasted 7 minutes of my life listening to this "unheralded" (deservedly so) Patriot thing. You want real patriotic/Americana scores? Try Jerry Goldsmith....or Glory. Anyways I add to the list"The Death of David Ferrie" from JFKI'm not usually one to recommend such a piece by Williams, but in this case it really is creepy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Aproaching the Summit - Seven Years in TibetDestiny's Path - Memoirs of a GeishaArlington - JFK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,064 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Aproaching the Summit - Seven Years in TibetOooh...excellent choice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 This is more like a "hidden Gems" kind threadSantoni's Compassion -MonsignorIn Orbit-SpacecampMain Title/The Seance-Family PlotThe Miracle-HeidiGoing to Sleep-HeartbeepsK.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 49 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Damn, just thought of three really unappreciated cues that trump my previous entries."The Fall" - The Fury"Dex's Diner" - Attack of the Clones"Polyjuice Potion" - Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 1,394 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 These aren't my top three or anything--just three I happened to think of.* "Far from Home / E.T. Alone." Everyone talks about the finale (for good reason), but I think the film's beginning is sonically strong as well. From the wonderful opening flute solo, to the eerie-but-not-evil music for E.T. and his comrades, to the quiet AND loud renditions of Keys' theme, to the terrific take-off music which manages to thrill me despite its extreme similarity to the superior music accompanying the take-off from Tatooine in ROTJ--it's all really great stuff.* The unreleased cue(s) used for the scenes in the Forbidden Forest from HP:SS. I know this was partially released in the second soundtrack, but it's missing that fantastic statement of Voldemort's theme. Anyway, I think this whole cue is very effective. I love the low string action, punctuated by fluttery stuff with the celesta et al. And then comes Voldemort's theme, huge in the brass. The rest of the cue isn't great, but it works. People say Pat Doyle did darker work for GoF than we'd heard in previous Potter scores, but I think this is darker.* "In the Idol's Temple" from ROTLA. This, like so many other tracks on the ROTLA soundtrack, is fabulous vintage Williams that I could listen to for hours. It's genuinely creepy, bizarre, and it features an amazing build into a fermata...then brilliant performances in the brass for some action music that manages to be swashbuckling, strange, serious, and tongue-in-cheek at the same time. Anyone who can figure out that last chord by ear will be awarded candy.EDIT: I disagree, Cerrabore, I think "Dex's Diner" has been getting exactly the amount of attention it deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 EDIT: I disagree, Cerrabore, I think "Dex's Diner" has been getting exactly the amount of attention it deserves. so does "Polyjuice Potion" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 480 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 "Jonathon Begins to Draw/The Landing" from "The Mission" - the culmination of Williams' classic 80s style, and I've heard it mentioned like twice hereThis hasn't been released for long, has it?But I've heard it only once now, and I really liked it. EDIT: I disagree, Cerrabore, I think "Dex's Diner" has been getting exactly the amount of attention it deserves. It was written by John Williams' son, by the way (Joseph, I think it was). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 49 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Both of my posts were sarcastic. Honestly, I couldn't find the right balance between what I like and what everyone else likes to make selections... or something... hey, Mr. B, do you still do user name changes on request? I'm getting edgy about this weird Star Wars fan name I've always used (it's from a videogame). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 But..you are...Cerrabore.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 13 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 "Pony Ride" from The River"The Reivers - reprise" form The Reivers"Cinderella Liberty - reprise" from Cinderella Liberty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 * "Far from Home / E.T. Alone." Everyone talks about the finale (for good reason), but I think the film's beginning is sonically strong as well. From the wonderful opening flute solo, to the eerie-but-not-evil music for E.T. and his comrades, to the quiet AND loud renditions of Keys' theme, to the terrific take-off music which manages to thrill me despite its extreme similarity to the superior music accompanying the take-off from Tatooine in ROTJ--it's all really great stuff.I agree, I love this track from start to finish. In addition to the parts you mentioned, the thick string layers are great, as E.T. walks through the forest and eventually sees the city."Jonathon Begins to Draw/The Landing" from "The Mission" - the culmination of Williams' classic 80s style, and I've heard it mentioned like twice hereThis hasn't been released for long, has it?But I've heard it only once now, and I really liked it. The re-recording by Joel McNeely has been around for quite a while, I believe. In any case, glad you liked it!Both of my posts were sarcastic.I thought that was clear. Though I suppose it's just safer to assume that with your posts!Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 292 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Grace Poole and Mason's Arrival (Jane Eyre)Faking The Code (Return of the Jedi)Arrival of Tink (Hook) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 The Streets of Shanghai (Empire of the Sun)Hell's Kitchen (Sleepers)The Last Battle (Saving Private Ryan) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Grace Poole and Mason's Arrival (Jane Eyre)Faking The Code (Return of the Jedi)Arrival of Tink (Hook)Great choices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 5,520 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Santoni's Compassion -MonsignorIn Orbit-SpacecampMain Title/The Seance-Family PlotThe Miracle-HeidiGoing to Sleep-HeartbeepsThree shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three.Anyway, The Miracle is indeed an early masterpiece. Stunning (if short) cue, reminiscent of RVW.Three that come to my mind (avoiding the overly obvious ones):The instrumental Ewok celebration as recorded by Charles Gerhardt (who arranged this version, anyway?)The Football Game - 5/4 meter and great timpani writingFitzwilly Overture - Great fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,548 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Nice thread! Here's three that popped up to my mind now:. "The Meeting in Sicily" (i.e.: "Esplanade Overture") from Monsignor -- this cue sums up at best why I love John Williams' music.. "Daryl Rejected" from The Witches of Eastwick - I adore Daryl's seduction theme performed on the piano, it gives almost a neoclassical touch.. "A New Beginning" from The Accidental Tourist -- one of JW's best finales ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 7, 2007 Author Share Posted July 7, 2007 * The unreleased cue(s) used for the scenes in the Forbidden Forest from HP:SS. I know this was partially released in the second soundtrack, but it's missing that fantastic statement of Voldemort's theme. Anyway, I think this whole cue is very effective. I love the low string action, punctuated by fluttery stuff with the celesta et al. And then comes Voldemort's theme, huge in the brass. The rest of the cue isn't great, but it works. People say Pat Doyle did darker work for GoF than we'd heard in previous Potter scores, but I think this is darker.Yes. A thousand times yes. One of my favorites of a ton of great unreleased cues from that score.Faking The Code (Return of the Jedi) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 The statement of both sections of Voldemort's theme in that sequence is probably the best of the whole series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 203 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 The Death if Dracula - DraculaThe Shooting of Wilson - BOTFOJEscape from the Basket - War of the Worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 1,394 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Sorry I didn't catch the sarcasm the second time, Cerrabore. If I'd thought it through, I probably would have seen it. - Datameister, who's thinking he'll probably rip a bunch of those great unreleased HP:SS cues Mr. Crichton mentioned from the DVD today at last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Anyways I add to the list"The Death of David Ferrie" from JFKI'm not usually one to recommend such a piece by Williams, but in this case it really is creepy.That is one of my favorite cues from the JFK score, very creepy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 7, 2007 Author Share Posted July 7, 2007 The Death if Dracula - DraculaAnother great choice, this is Williams most powerful cues ever. The whole score is underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 I voice my support for The Patriot score as well. Been listening to it a lot this week. My favorite parts of the score are more the softer themes than the bold patriotic stuff. Such as Ann and Gabriel and Susan Speaks - mainly the first parts of those cues. It's some beautiful music which I don't think I've ever seen discussed or mentioned here.I also like Martin vs. Tavington.J Dan - who just realized how similar that 'Fort Wilderness' motif and Shmi's theme are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 JW must write a concert version of Ann and Gabriel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 You could just edit out the main patriotic themes from the suite, and you'd have the love theme left over.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 I'd like a more orchestral arrangement without violin fiddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 I like the folksy, colonial feel created by the violin.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 1,093 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Those beautiful violin solos are the only listenable parts in Patriot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,638 Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 "False Alarm" - CE3K"Leaving Hogwarts" - Harry Potter I"Denniy Steals The Embryo" - Jurassic Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 1,093 Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 "False Alarm" - CE3K Or anything else from CE3KI would add:The Returnees from CE3KHan Solo Returns from RotJ- very nice stuff before short rendition of the beautiful H.Solo & the Princess + cute tuba solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 "The Miami Convention" from Nixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,638 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Kramer, is that really you?How's that coffee table book coming along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamboFBII 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Not sure how 'unheralded' these are, since I've been out of the loop a while. But here goes nothing."Fortress of Solitude"--The last two minutes, during the space sequence, is astounding, IMO. It's so relaxing and reflective. Great listening when actually flying."The Mecha World/To Manhattan"--This is probably one I would guess is more heralded since it's so different for Williams...and it's from A.I. The harmonics, the various layers of rhythm, and the semi-minimalism make for a very nice, futuristic piece. I've loved it ever since I put it in my CD player the first time. Simply amazing."Defense Preparations"--This one's probably unheralded, since SPR's got it's share of detractors--particularly the non-"Hymn" cues. Anyway, I love how peacefully the track opens, before transitioning into this darker, ominous tone as the men prepare the town for the last battle. My absolute favorite part of the track, and possibly the entire score--lasts from about 4:40 through the rest of the track. Something about that part just pulls me into the covert, anxious feel of the sequence, even though I think it was mixed down or cut in the film. But it's fun to listen to while playing Call of Duty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 2,082 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 The Patriot - Susan Speaks. I've noticed several cues from this score come up, but this one haunted me since the first time I heard it. Those deep strings give such a warm feeling, such a beautiful contrast to the middle of the cue, which needs to be appreciate with low background noise.Amistad - Dry Your Tears, Afrika (not sure how heralded this is, but who cares). Great melody, such an uplifting piece and I love the way the strings gradually come in.Seven Years in Tibet - Regaining a Son. One of the most beautiful and reflective pieces I've ever heard from JW. Almost seems like it's from a different score to the rest of the album, which I'm not too keen on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamboFBII 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Seven Years in Tibet - Regaining a Son. One of the most beautiful and reflective pieces I've ever heard from JW.Liked it better as Elegy for Cello and Orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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