Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 This is the rant thread. (Aren't most AOTC topics? 8O )Hehehe :: insert Lucas-like laughter:: What I want to know is why Lucas al of a sudden calls these Tatooine creatures "Tusken Raiders" instead of their original name, the Sand People.Hector - who does not like the mess Lucas is doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruckhorn 105 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Tusken Raiders sounds more intimidating.Also, remember, A New Hope takes place after Attack of the Clones. Isn't possible that over the course of the years, political correctness arrived on Tatooine?Uh, it's possible, right?Or maybe they shed their war-like ways and settled down.Or,Ah, hell, Lucas thinks the Anakin and Padme's Theme is the first Love theme from the Star Wars saga. Despite all the money he's made, he doesn't have enough to pay for a continuity supervisor. (See: episode 4 of Clerks: The Animated Series for details.)Bruckhorn, raving, or ranting, or prattling on. Hell, I'm a guy, I'm not supposed to be in touch with my feelings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 25, 2002 Author Share Posted May 25, 2002 "Tusken Raiders" sucks! It does sound more intimidating, but I don't like how it sounds... Hector - who thinks Lucas did not invented the term "Tusken Raider" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris ChrusherComix 46 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 In 1977, they were called "Sand People (Tusken Raiders)".-Chris, Who will get sleep now... this week is hell for me... 8O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 "Sand People" sounds too retarded to me. I prefer "Tusken Raiders". (And I thought those little hooded things with red, lit eyes were the "Sand People")I'm sorry, Chris.Dan - who will experience "hell" in 3½ weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris ChrusherComix 46 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Nope... those were Jawas. And according to Lucas in his ANH book, they smell very bad.I too, prefer Tusken Raiders. They aren't made out of sand...(Although Ani cut them down like they were made of snow. Get it? Hehe? Snowmen? Snow People?... hehehehe...)-Chris, Yes... that bad pun is proof of just how needy of sleep that I am... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 HA HA!That's right. They were called "Jawas". I had forgotten that.Dan - who laughed because of the "Tusken Raiders'" cameo in Episode I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 The Sand People were always called Tusken Raiders (just not in the first film). This isn't something Lucas made up when writing the script for Episode II.Bye,Roald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 They are referred to as Tusken Raiders in both EpisodeI and Episode IV-Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanticStrings 10 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 I think that the term "Tusken Raiders" is fine, but I also think that Williams should put in a perverted version of Raiders March for them.Just a thought.~Conor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 LOLThat's true, Conor!!Dan - who likes that idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 26, 2002 Author Share Posted May 26, 2002 They are referred to as Tusken Raiders in both EpisodeI and Episode IV-JasonEpisode IV? Where? When? :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 26, 2002 Author Share Posted May 26, 2002 I think that the term "Tusken Raiders" is fine, but I also think that Williams should put in a perverted version of Raiders March for them.Just a thought.~ConorPerverted version?!?!? :wow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 I always thought they were called both. Although Sand People reminds me of a comic book my brother has. I think it was called Sand People?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeejaHalycon 0 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 In the Radio Presentation I know Biggs tell Luke, "Your uncle could hold off a whole Tusken Raiding Pary with one blaster!" I can't seem to remember it in the actual movie, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 Names for things seem to come after.In ANH,Star Destroyers are called "Crusers",and the Death Star a "Space Station".In Esb,they never mention the name AT-AT.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeejaHalycon 0 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 Good point, all of the names seem to come with toys and promotional merchandise. The name "Tusken Raider" was probably on an action figure somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 Ok, I can't speak for the original version, but yesterday I watched the ANH special edition, and I'm pretty sure, the term "Tusken Raiders" was used.-Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruciformSword 2 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 Why does it matter what they're called? Everyone knows who is being referred too. But this is a rant thread, so I guess you have to whine about something. -Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 Both names apply but the official term in SW terminology is "Tusken Raiders". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 There might not be a line of dialogue that mentions the name "Tusken Raider" in ANH, but that name is mentioned many times throughout the script that the movie was based on.In Phantom Menace, the Greg Proops pod race announcer says something like "Looks like a few Tusken Raiders have camped out on the canyon dune turn..."As for "Death Star", isn't there a intercom in the rebel base on Yavin that goes "The death star is in range" or something like that?-Jason 24, almost 9pmToo bad there isn't a "now watching" icon to go with the "now playing" one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 As for "Death Star", isn't there a intercom in the rebel base on Yavin that goes "The death star is in range" or something like that?Yes, you are correct.~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 27, 2002 Author Share Posted May 27, 2002 Ok, I can't speak for the original version, but yesterday I watched the ANH special edition, and I'm pretty sure, the term "Tusken Raiders" was used.-ChrisWhere? I've seen this film many times, and I do not recall anything about "Tusken Raiders" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 Hector, the term "Tusken Raiders" happened to not make it to the final cut of ANH, but that name is all over the scipt for the movie. The script that George wrote and then updated from 1974-1977. The one he wrote by himself. Tusken Raider is his word, and the creatures have been known as Tusken Raiders since the beginning.EXTERIOR: TATOOINE -- ROCK MESA -- DUNE SEA -- COASTLINE -- DAY. From high on a rock mesa, the tiny Landspeeder can be seen gliding across the desert floor. Suddenly in the foreground two weather-beaten Sandpeople shrouded in their grimy desert cloaks peer over the edge of the rock mesa. One of the marginally human creatures raises a long ominous laser rifle and points it at the speeder but the second creature grabs the gun before it can be fired. The Sandpeople, or Tusken Raiders as they're sometimes called, speak in a coarse barbaric language as they get into an animated argument. The second Tusken Raider seems to get in the final word and the nomads scurry over the rocky terrain.EXTERIOR: TATOOINE -- ROCK MESA -- CANYON. The Tusken Raider approaches two large Banthas standing tied to a rock. The monstrous, bear-like creatures are as large as elephants, with huge red eyes, tremendous looped horns, and long, furry, dinosaur-like tails. The Tusken Raiders mount saddles strapped to the huge creatures' shaggy backs and ride off down the rugged bluff.EXTERIOR: TATOOINE -- ROCK CANYON -- FLOOR. The speeder is parked on the floor of a massive canyon. Luke, with his long laser rifle slung over his shoulder, stands before little Artoo.LUKE: Hey, whoa, just where do you think you're going? The little droid whistles a feeble reply, as Threepio poses menacingly behind the little runaway.THREEPIO: Master Luke here is your rightful owner. We'll have no moreof this Obi-Wan Kenobi jibberish...and don't talk to me about yourmission, either. You're fortunate he doesn't blast you into a millionpieces right here.LUKE: Well, come on. It's getting late. I only hope we can get backbefore Uncle Owen really blows up.THREEPIO: If you don't mind my saying so, sir, I think you shoulddeactivate the little fugitive until you've gotten him back to yourworkshop.LUKE: No, he's not going to try anything. Suddenly the little robot jumps to life with a mass of frantic whistles and screams.LUKE: What's wrong with him now?THREEPIO: Oh my...sir, he says there are several creatures approachingfrom the southeast. Luke swings his rifle into position and looks to the south.LUKE: Sandpeople! Or worst! Come on, let's have a look. Come on.EXTERIOR: TATOOINE -- ROCK CANYON -- RIDGE -- DAY. Luke carefully makes his way to the top of a rock ridge and scans the canyon with his electrobinoculars. He spots the two riderless Banthas. Threepio struggles up behind the young adventurer.LUKE: There are two Banthas down there but I don't see any...wait asecond, they're Sandpeople all right. I can see one of them now. Luke watches the distant Tusken Raider through his electrobinoculars. Suddenly something huge moves in front of his field of view. Before Luke or Threepio can react, a large, gruesome Tusken Raider looms over them. Threepio is startled and backs away, right off the side if the cliff. He can be heard for several moments as he clangs, bangs and rattles down the side of the mountain. The towering creature brings down his curved, double-pointed gaderffii -- the dreaded axe blade that has struck terror in the heart of the local settlers. But Luke manages to block the blow with his laser rifle, which is smashed to pieces. The terrified farm boy scrambles backward until he is forced to the edge of a deep crevice. The sinister Raider stands over him with his weapon raised and lets out a horrible shrieking laugh.EXTERIOR: TATOOINE -- ROCK CANYON -- FLOOR -- DAY. Artoo forces himself into the shadows of a small alcove in the rocks as the vicious Sandpeople walk past carrying the inert Luke Skywalker, who is dropped in a heap before the speeder. The Sandpeople ransack the speeder, throwing parts and supplies in all directions. Suddenly they stop. Then everything is quiet for a few moments. A great howling moan is heard echoing throughout the canyon which sends the Sandpeople fleeing in terror. Artoo moves even tighter into the shadows as the slight swishing sound that frightened off the Sandpeople grows even closer, until a shabby old desert-rat-of-a-man appears and leans over Luke. His ancient leathery face, cracked and weathered by exotic climates is set off by dark, penetrating eyes and a scraggly white beard. Ben Kenobi squints his eyes as he scrutinizes the unconscious farm boy. Artoo makes a slight sound and Ben turns and looks right at him.BEN: Hello there! Come here my little friend. Don't be afraid. Artoo waddles over to were Luke lies crumpled in a heap and begins to whistle and beep his concern. Ben puts his hand on Luke's forehead and he begins to come around.BEN: Don't worry, he'll be all right.LUKE: What happened?BEN: Rest easy, son, you've had a busy day. You're fortunate you'restill in one piece.LUKE: Ben? Ben Kenobi! Boy, am I glad to see you! BEN: The Jundland wastes are not to be traveled lightly. Tell me youngLuke, what brings you out this far?LUKE: Oh, this little droid! I think he's searching for his formermaster...I've never seen such devotion in a droid before...thereseems to be no stopping him. He claims to be the property of an Obi-Wan Kenobi. Is he a relative of yours? Do you know who he's talking about? Ben ponders this for a moment, scratching his scruffy beard.BEN: Obi-Wan Kenobi...Obi-Wan? Now thats a name I haven't heard in a long time...a long time.LUKE: I think my uncle knew him. He said he was dead.BEN: Oh, he's not dead, not...not yet.LUKE: You know him!BEN: Well of course, of course I know him. He's me! I haven't gone bythe name Obi-Wan since oh, before you were born.LUKE: Then the droid does belong to you.BEN: Don't seem to remember ever owning a droid. Very interesting... He suddenly looks up at the overhanging cliffs.BEN: I think we better get indoors. The Sandpeople are easily startledbut they will soon be back and in greater numbers.-Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 27, 2002 Author Share Posted May 27, 2002 Mmm, very interesting. You know, I've never been really interested in reading the novels, but I think I'll might. I never cared much for the countless novels that there are, from either Star Wars or Star Trek. I sort of said to myself, "I'm gonna read 'Shadows of the Empire'" to see what all the buzz was all about, so I had to read the book, and bought McNeely's score... but I'll guess I might read these novels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 And i you think, we didn't heard Palpatine's name untill EpI.Bail Organa's name appears in EPii? I do not recall it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 The name "Palpatine" did not occur in the original trilogy, either in the scripts or the final cuts of the movie. It only appeared in the novelization of ANH."Bail Organa" was never mentioned in the movie (Episode II), but his character is called that in the script. I remember thinking it was dumb that they never mentioned who Jimmy Smits was in the movie anywhere, as all the non-star wars geeks who see the movie will have no idea what Jimmy Smits is doing in the movie. Come to think of it, I don't think "Mace" is ever mentioned in the movies either, only "Master Windu".-Jason 1941 (complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeejaHalycon 0 Posted May 27, 2002 Share Posted May 27, 2002 I wonder if Jimmy Smits was dissapointed at how little screen time he got? I guess he'll be a big player in Episode III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 28, 2002 Author Share Posted May 28, 2002 Jimmy Smits spent enough time on screen IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanticStrings 10 Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 What does IMHO mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 In My Humble Opinion-Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 28, 2002 Author Share Posted May 28, 2002 Exactly. Marian told me that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figo 2 Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 Nope... those were Jawas. And according to Lucas in his ANH book, they smell very bad.If you're referring to the novelization, that was ghostwritten by Alan Dean Foster. And it was called, simply, "Star Wars."Yes, I remember the Tusken Raiders from back in the '70s; and of course any self-respecting "Star Wars" fan knew the name of Palpatine, as well.Figo, who insists the Tusken Raiders' cameo in TPM will lose its humor once the films are viewed in Lucas' revised sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 28, 2002 Author Share Posted May 28, 2002 You mean because they killed Anakin's mother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figo 2 Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 Huh? THE PHANTOM MENACE, you numbnut. I'm referring to the pod race. After two decades in the public consciousness, it was an uncharacteristically witty decision on Lucas' part to have the Tusken Raiders make another appearance, taking potshots at the contestants. It was SUPPOSED to be humorous, but if you didn't remember the Sandpeople from "Star Wars," you wouldn't get the joke. It would merely be a bunch of space-Arabs with rifles, not funny -- nor relevant -- in the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanticStrings 10 Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 I think that the term "Tusken Raiders" is fine, but I also think that Williams should put in a perverted version of Raiders March for them.Just a thought.~ConorPerverted version?!?!? :wow:By perverted, I mean messed up or screwed up. Not sexual. I learned about that term (in the former context) by an interview of Hans Zimmer for Hannibal. Doesn anyone remeber that really messed up waltz? It's based on the Blue Danube.~Conor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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