Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 No essay needed here. It's a statement that needs no citation or evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 No Goldsmith sucks as well...he didn't score a single big blockbuster type movie.If he was a good composer, he'd be more sought by A-listers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Star Trek TMP was a blockbuster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Barely. It would make $215 million today. That's just good business, not blockbusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 You obviousaly don't know what you are talking about.Joe will tell you.The Rambo films were blockbusters too, as were Total Recall and Basic Instinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Joe? Joe?! Joe is from Arkansas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 And you are from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 North Carolina....Dammit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Same thing.... Jerry scored quite a few important films, most of them were in the 60's and 70's.Gremlins, Poltergeist, Rambo II (To name a few) were all hits in a time when grossing 80 to 100 million actually meant more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Cause he did The Omen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Box office reciepts are not the sole way to judge a composer. And far from the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 It's obvious to me you all are clueless. When these people get Britney Spears status, maybe then I'll consider retracting their sucktitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 What, skanky ho status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Has Williams posed nude yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Thank god he hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 We really need another Williams score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 We will get 2 more, Indy 4 and that Lincoln thing, before John Williams retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 It already feels like he's retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 I was talking more in the context of this seemingly pointless thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Pointless?So certain are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Wouldn't say that. I just gave a quiet groan when I read the first post:No essay needed here. It's a statement that needs no citation or evidence.Just seems like an invite for bickering to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Which you seem to be responding to all to well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 No JWFan thread is inherently pointless. It's what you make of it.For example, the thought of Williams posing nude will keep me from sleeping for at least 2 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Just seems like an invite for bickering to me.Why?Jerry does rock. He was a great composer, only surpassed by Williams in my opinion.No JWFan thread is inherently pointless. It's what you make of it.For example, the thought of Williams posing nude will keep me from sleeping for at least 2 days. Don't you remember what they did with Ocelot's avatar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Them's fightin' words, Mister!Texas ain't nothing but a place for hicks to practice incest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 No JWFan thread is inherently pointless. It's what you make of it.For example, the thought of Williams posing nude will keep me from sleeping for at least 2 days. Don't you remember what they did with Ocelot's avatar? Yet another surpressed memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 If you think Jerry Goldsmith sucks then I hope you die a horrible death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Yeah finally a sensible comment in this thread!Show them some Jedi Master action, sword-boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyjeffrey 20 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Planet of the Apes (the good one)PattonAnd he kept all of his hair.And he grew it long.And he pulled it back in a tail, like he was going to ride off on his hog right after the concert.Without wearing a helmet.Rocks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 If you think Jerry Goldsmith sucks then I hope you die a horrible death!Ahh, forget I said anything. I just think there's too much 'this guy rocks and I won't give any reason for it' around here.Can't we discuss things normally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Goldsmith apparantly had that Mozart thing going on because he wrote great music, but could be a real jerk sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 What do you mean exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I've heard he had somewhat of a bad attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 From whom did you hear that? And what do you consider a bad attitude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Goldsmith seemed a lot more real in interviews. He actually criticized people and notions he disliked.Williams still knows what he's doing, given his 2004 output, but his manner has become docile and tactful to the point of inducing sleep. Half the things he says don't even make any god damned sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I thought it was common knowledge. I don't know for sure, but I've heard he was sometimes difficult to work with, and could be conceited.Plus, his nickname for John was fatboy . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 You must be thinking of Bernard Herrmann.In interviews Goldsmith was definatly more open about things he did not like then say...John Williams.But that's just being human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I thought we solidified Goldmith's coolness credentials for good here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 We did actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Maybe, my memory's off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Oh, and Joel Goldsmith (Jerry's son) has a hilarious web site. His music's pretty dull, but his sense of humor is excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I heard Goldsmith didn't like The Mummy and apparently said publicly negative things about the movie (I thought both the movie and his score rocked), but I'm also sure I read somewhere that he was known for liking a wide range of movies and wasn't discriminating in what he chose to score.And then something went on during Timeline didn't it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I'm not sure if he disliked The Mummy (which is actually a far better film then a lot of others he's done) or that he did not enjoy the expererience of working on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I'm pretty sure he publicly acknowledged scoring the lesser Trek movies somewhere on one of the DVDs (probably First Contact)And so as not to offend the Grander Ego, those words did not represent my opinion. I liked TMP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 If he said that then I agree with him at least partially. TMP, TFF, Insurrection and Nemesis are not generally considered the best films of the bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Ironically, those movies get Goldsmith and TWOK gets Prokofie- err, I mean James Horner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 So what, The Wrath Of Khan got a absolutely fantastic score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Aye, excellent point sire. My only other option would be to bash Rosenman for Trek IV, but... the score entertains me so (and the Yellowjackets tracks are fun). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Why did he score so many crappy films? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Luck of the draw? (or perhaps like Vincent Price, the fear of never working again - just a theory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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