Josh500 1,615 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I think Poltergeist is one of the BEST SCORES ever, written by ANY composer. I especially love the first time Carol Ann's Theme is played over the opening credits--this is so beautiful, the music and the visuals combined (also combined with the name Steven Spielberg appearing thrice, I guess) almost brings tears to my eyes. The music seems so nostalgic, so ephemerally beautiful and serene . . . does anyone else think so? Strange, if you consider that this is actually a horror movie (a B-picture, no less, if it weren't for Spielberg). If it weren't for E.T., this would have been Goldsmith's second Oscar win, I'm sure. What does everyone think about this score/movie???Sorry, didn't mean to write Poltergeist in all caps--I know you don't like that, moderator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Certainly one of Goldsmith's top 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Sorry, didn't mean to write Poltergeist in all caps--I know you don't like that, moderator. Never mind.As for the score, I quite like it, but I have a hard time connecting to it, save for Carol Anne's Theme and some of the silent creepy music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Probably my favourite Goldsmith score. But that is possibly because its the only one I really know from start to end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 22, 2007 Author Share Posted August 22, 2007 For me, Poltergeist and Basic Instinct are the top JG scores--I can listen to the scores or watch those movies over and over again. Of course, there are many others I haven't heard yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I've always considered it a functional score, but I can't get into it.The Clown is super though.For me, Poltergeist and Basic Instinct are the top JG scores--I can listen to the scores or watch those movies over and over again. Of course, there are many others I haven't heard yet.Basic Instinct is definitely in the Goldsmith top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrygollay 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 One of my favourite score , too bad that the digital recording wasn't included in the CD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 ...silent creepy music.Huh?Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Rebirth is certainly one of Goldsmith's best cues of all time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 ...silent creepy music.Huh?NeilShows you how long I haven't listened to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I'm just wondering what "silent music" sounds like.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I'm just wondering what "silent music" sounds like.NeilLike John Cage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 That's a bit harsh, Peio. Behave! Hitch's Top 5 Jerry Goldsmith scores:5. Star Trek: The Motion Picture4. Alien3. Chinatown2. Basic Instinct1. Poltergeist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 One of the best scores ever. I will listen to it tonight!I love the way the music is a love story mixed with horror music - but it is some of the best love and horror music ever.The way he uses the strings, woodwinds, brass, percussion... just amazing. His harmonies and melodies. Just amazing. A Goldsmith masterpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 No no no.1. Star Trek The Motion Picture2. The Wind and the Lion3. Patton4. The Blue Max5. The Russia House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Definetly need more Goldsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Jerry John Goldsmith Williams. 4 names that must be abundant in any film score collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Hey, I have Alien, The Omen Star Trek - The Motion Picture, and Mulan.I'm too humbled already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Next I recommend Basic Instinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Actually, next will be Rambo II.There are experts ont he matter who kindly recommend me what step to take next, I trust them very blindly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Whatever he composed between 1979 and 1986(ending with Legend) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Yeah you pretty much won't go wrong with any of what KM recommended. Some are less than stellar than others, but all are better than most of todays output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 That kid choir is very beautiful. It's great music and nice to hear Jerry sometimes got it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 nice to hear Jerry sometimes got it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 You have to remember, Hornist is completely out of his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 And that's I suppose why we love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 What do you like about this score???Everything. Twisted Abduction in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 You have to remember, Hornist is completely out of his mind.No , not completely.I'm just different , um...original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest macrea Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Really a perfectly scored movie.KM is very partial to mid-70's to mid-80's, and while I am too for the most part, in the case of Goldsmith you simply cannot dismiss his output prior to that. Blue Max, Sand Pebbles, Planet of the Apes, and Patton are standouts of his career and of film scoring in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 I like a lot of his earlier stuff like Patton, Papillon,Blue Max,Logan's Run(partly) and Sand Pebbles. But in the 70's he also made scores that are pretty unlistenable,mainly for thriller/scifi films like The Cassandra Crossing,Twilight's Last Gleaming...and then there's tons of westerns which I'm not too fond of.I feel in the late 70's early 80's he reached the apex of his themes and orchestrations,and scores like Star Trek TMP,Twilight Zone the Movie,Poltergeist,The Final Conflict,Night Crossing,King Solomon's Mines,The Secret of NIMH,The Great Train Robbery,The Challenge,Inchon,Supergirl,Legend ...ect... were much more lush sounding than what came in the late 80's (overuse of now outdated synths like Hoosiers ) and 90's(generic stuff like Chain Reaction) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 You didn't like Bandolero!? Or Rio Conchos? Or the Wild Rovers?They're all...stuck-in-your-head-forever good. Another good non-Western one from that time period is "Justine" mmmm mmm good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest macrea Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 A lot of it just had to do with trends in film scoring in general. There was a return of acceptance of melody and a "directness" (best word I can think of) that scores in general had in that period. Hence there's something very timeless and accessible to even small scores like Coma or Magic and ones like Capricorn One and The Boys from Brazil. All from 1978, I'm just realizing, an amazing year for Goldsmith. Where he was in his own creative output and what directors were wanting in their scores just seemed to line up somehow. I've encountered people who tripped over themselves to get The Omega Man when it came out, but as right as the score may have been for the film it just isn't very listenable. Another factor is, of course, the age of the listener. While I can't imagine anyone not listing Star Trek:TMP as a candidate for Goldsmith's best score period, there are folks who will stand on their head to defend Patton for that distinction and for whom TMP is completely unimpressive. Go figure.While Williams in the 60's was clearly a different voice, Goldsmith's output from the same era should not be overlooked. He did a lot of big, a-list scores then that are well worth exploring. His transitional period seemed to come in the early 70s when he didn't do many features for a while, then he came back with a vengeance with The Wind and the Lion, The Omen etc. and for me that period climaxed with Poltergeist. Many scores that followed were really good, but Poltergeist is where it peaked for me. Certainly Psycho II was a huge step down from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Another factor is, of course, the age of the listener. While I can't imagine anyone not listing Star Trek:TMP as a candidate for Goldsmith's best score period, there are folks who will stand on their head to defend Patton for that distinction and for whom TMP is completely unimpressive. Go figure.I was born after Patton and I prefer it to STTMP - His best score? Maybe top 15 material. Not to say anything negative about it, but it's clear the style of the main theme is dictated by success of Star Wars - and it doesn't measure up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 There is nothing like The Enterprise in Star Wars.Nuff said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Is Poltergeist II worth getting? Because I saw a copy of it for 16 € at my store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share Posted August 23, 2007 Is Poltergeist II worth getting? Because I saw a copy of it for 16 € at my store.By far, not as good as Poltergeist, but if you're a loyal JG fan, you should definitely get it. Before it's OOP, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 I'll have to get II someday, but I've never been excited about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 A good Goldsmith score to a terrible movie. Typical is the word that springs to mind. Stay out of the light...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 I used to like this film many years ago. Now it's just...what might be the right expression...annoying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share Posted August 23, 2007 I used to like this film many years ago. Now it's just...what might be the right expression...annoying?What, are you talking about part I or II or both??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Oh , I read badly , you were already in the II , ofcourse it is annoying.The first one I even liked once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share Posted August 24, 2007 Hey guys! It just occurred to me that, while many good scores by JG were mentioned here, no one seems to have thought of OMEN, the only JG score which won an OSCAR!!!! Does no one like it? What do you think of this one?Coincidentally (or maybe not so coincidentally, since I have started actively looking for JG), I found OMEN DELUXE SCORE for 8.50 Euros. Who thinks I should get it? (There was also Rambo III, Hollow Man, and The Legend of Bagger Vance by RP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I found OMEN DELUXE SCORE for 8.50 Euros. Who thinks I should get it?I do! It's a fantastic score, intense in places but also incredibly beautiful. You won't find many who think The Omen is JG's single greatest work (as the Academy seemed to), but it's still wonderful. I particularly like the love theme. And the "Deluxe Edition" has the nearly complete score. If you like it, get the other two - Damien: Omen II and The Final Conflict. Actually, get The Final Conflict even if you don't like The Omen, it's totally different. Omen II is actually my favourite of the three, but it's based heavily on material from the first score, which I'd recommend buying first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share Posted August 24, 2007 I found OMEN DELUXE SCORE for 8.50 Euros. Who thinks I should get it?I do! It's a fantastic score, intense in places but also incredibly beautiful. You won't find many who think The Omen is JG's single greatest work (as the Academy seemed to), but it's still wonderful. I particularly like the love theme. And the "Deluxe Edition" has the nearly complete score. If you like it, get the other two - Damien: Omen II and The Final Conflict. Actually, get The Final Conflict even if you don't like The Omen, it's totally different. Omen II is actually my favourite of the three, but it's based heavily on material from the first score, which I'd recommend buying first.I'm ashamed to say I haven't even seen the movies. I probably should. Yeah, Omen II I also saw in a used CD store. I forgot how much it was, but it was still sealed! Yeah, I'll get OMEN DELUXE. What about Hollow Man and Rambo III? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Hollow Man is a very good score, but not really essential. Rambo III is also good (though not as good as II), but suffers from a poor performace by the orchestra.As for the Omen films - none of them are true classics, though the first one is very entertaining. It's not particularly scary, and the story is pretty silly, but it's very well made, worth a rental (even if only to hear the score in context). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Whatever he composed between 1979 and 1986(ending with Legend)I just listened to Supergirl for the first time, and while I pretty much enjoyed it overall (will give it a few more spins over the next few days), I'm really wondering what Jerry was inhaling when he decided to use that 'whoosh!' effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Whatever he composed between 1979 and 1986(ending with Legend)I just listened to Supergirl for the first time, and while I pretty much enjoyed it overall (will give it a few more spins over the next few days), I'm really wondering what Jerry was inhaling when he decided to use that 'whoosh!' effect.I thought that was incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I love the music during "They're Here!" because it's classic Goldsmith. Carol Ann's theme is cute. However, I find "Poltergeist" to be the scariest movie I have ever seen. If you're not freaked out by the hand reaching out to Carol Ann from the TV or the clown attack, you're way too desensitized.I also believe Jerry would have won the Oscar for "Poltergeist" if not for "ET." But then, it was another score to a horror movie, and they might not have wanted to give him another Oscar for the same type of score, without the chorus (save for the end).I say that knowing full well that they did give two Oscars to Howard Shore and Gustavo Santaolalla for essentially writing the same score twice."The Omen" is the greatest horror score. Humanity and thrills mixed together perfectly. I'm so glad they made the Deluxe Edition, so I can scream "Ave Satani! Aveeeeeee Sataniiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!" during the decapitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share Posted August 24, 2007 Hollow Man is a very good score, but not really essential. Rambo III is also good (though not as good as II), but suffers from a poor performace by the orchestra.As for the Omen films - none of them are true classics, though the first one is very entertaining. It's not particularly scary, and the story is pretty silly, but it's very well made, worth a rental (even if only to hear the score in context).Thanks for the tip, I'm gonna have to watch that, if only to listen to the score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Buy the HOLLOW MAN dvd instead and sit back, listen to Jerry's commentary and isolated score. Love that opening title sequence. Oh and buy THE LEGEND OF BAGGER VANCE. Portman is always good value but THE CIDER HOUSE RULES is a much richer score...albeit a bit repetitive."Good night you princes of Maine...you Kings of New England. Good night....and good luck"Hitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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