indy4 152 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Here's a link to a poll going on at tracksounds. Vote Williams!http://www.tracksounds.com/default.htmThere are many good scores, but I chose the Last Crusade in the end.Although, they didn't have my favorite score: PoA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,638 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Voted for Return Of The King. What else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 That was a close call for me...but still, JW prevailed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Why is freaking LotR getting so many votes.What a stupid way to vote,I think I accidently voted for TESB to go down the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 because it's a great score. but i do agree that some other scores listed were better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Seems to me like a lot of LOTR fanboys stormed the place,because film music fans wouldn't put TTT above these Williams scores.Link the poll to mugglenet and see HP soar to the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 Actually, I found this link on onering.net, and it was strongly encouraging everyone to vote ROTK. I felt I should even the votes by linking this poll to a JW fansite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Ah,I knew it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 I didn't expect someone here to vote for the enemy:Voted for Return Of The King. What else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I didn't expect someone here to vote for the enemy:Voted for Return Of The King. What else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 How could you, gkgyver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 317 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 This poll is very stupid. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 1,093 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I didn't expect someone here to vote for the enemy:Voted for Return Of The King. What else?I wouldn't take RotK as an enemy but an extremely bad and boring score.That poll... <_< ... based 7454 votes by 994 people... I voted 9 times for ESB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 126 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Er. You can vote for each score, but only vote once for each score I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,638 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 That's correct. You have one vote to move a score up, and one to move a score down.Seems to me like a lot of LOTR fanboys stormed the place,because film music fans wouldn't put TTT above these Williams scores.Film music fans wouldn't make a stupid comment like that. And neither would they make one like :I didn't expect someone here to vote for the enemy:Incidentally, only a Williams fanboy could make statements like the former, and especially the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Voted ROTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Stefan, do you think it's the best score of all time or just the best from the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Just because we have a few LotR fanboys here and that poll was linked to a LotR fan website doesn't place the LotR score above Williams masterpieces.RotK doesn't even come to the ankle of ESB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 How can you vote for ROTK when you have scores like Vertigo and E.T on the same list, just to name a couple of examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 To each his own gentlemen.....to each how own.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 5,520 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I wanted to add The Fury, but I'd have to sign up for some Amazon thingy, so I didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oierem 87 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I didn't expect someone here to vote for the enemy:Voted for Return Of The King. What else?mmmm. Only a sith deals in absolutes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWfangirl1992 18 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I lost count after 20 votes for Star Wars and Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 This poll is very stupid. Yes, it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,638 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 RotK doesn't even come to the ankle of ESBThat's quite true ... it grabs its neck and chokes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,064 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 What the hell, why do I find myself agreeing with gkgyver? It's like a once in a blue moon sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 1,093 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 RotK doesn't even come to the ankle of ESBThat's quite true ... it grabs its neck and chokes it.Better than ESB, yes. Better than ALL the other scores listed, no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 RotK doesn't even come to the ankle of ESBThat's quite true ... it grabs its neck and chokes it.ESB is my favourite score of all time and IMO JW's best.You may as welll say Howard Shore is so great he grabs JW's neck and chokes himI find your statements and Blumenkhol's an insult to JW.You may as well go post at Howard Shore'sforum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,759 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 RotK doesn't even come to the ankle of ESBThat's quite true ... it grabs its neck and chokes it.Even I know ESB is better then ROTK which is not worthy of discussion with ESB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 There a lot of people here who truly worship John Williams.Among us some say his concert works are his more profound compositions and some say his film music is his true voice.Some like his dramatic 90's style,some like his classic 70's and 80's sound the best.Some say ESB and some say Star Wars.But we all agree John Williams is one of the greatest composers who ever lived.Then there are those who are here because of a passing interest in the SW prequels and Harry Potter,but think Lord of the Rings or Pirates of the Carribean are the greatest things ever composed and boldly proclaim they "clobber" scores written by Williams in the peak of his career.This insults me as a JWFANHoward Shore has limited ability to write themes.Composers like John Williams,Jerry Goldsmith,Alan Ailvestri, James Horner and John Barry are all light years above his talent.Shore is about on par with composers like Patrick Doyle or George Fenton.To me his 25 or so themes for LotR define mediocrity, and they are only compensated with over the top orchestrations and a gigantic orchestra.The White Tree sounds good because it is performed by 200 brass and strings instruments playing at the same time and so loud in the film you can't help but feel something.I have been listening to film music for 30 years and have heard a lot of stuff...if I can't make it past the 30 minute mark in the FotR complete recording without passing out of boredom there is something wrong .K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 I respectfully disagree, but I see where you're coming from KM. Rabbit--voted for a certain Williams score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,064 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 This insults me as a JWFANBooohooo. I actually heard Schindler's List while reading that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 There a lot of people here who truly worship John Williams.Among us some say his concert works are his more profound compositions and some say his film music is his true voice.Some like his dramatic 90's style,some like his classic 70's and 80's sound the best.Some say ESB and some say Star Wars.But we all agree John Williams is one of the greatest composers who ever lived.Then there are those who are here because of a passing interest in the SW prequels and Harry Potter,but think Lord of the Rings or Pirates of the Carribean are the greatest things ever composed and boldly proclaim they "clobber" scores written by Williams in the peak of his career.This insults me as a JWFANHoward Shore has limited ability to write themes.Composers like John Williams,Jerry Goldsmith,Alan Ailvestri, James Horner and John Barry are all light years above his talent.Shore is about on par with composers like Patrick Doyle or George Fenton.To me his 25 or so themes for LotR define mediocrity, and they are only compensated with over the top orchestrations and a gigantic orchestra.The White Tree sounds good because it is performed by 200 brass and strings instruments playing at the same time and so loud in the film you can't help but feel something.I have been listening to film music for 30 years and have heard a lot of stuff...if I can't make it past the 30 minute mark in the FotR complete recording without passing out of boredom there is something wrong .K.M.While I think Howard Shore deserves much more praise than you give him, and I feel that his score for LOTR is one of my favorite, and a fabulous piece of music, I agree that JW surpasses him in many of his scores. I agree with you, but not nearly as extremely as you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 to KM, regarding LotR. Lately around the board, it's apparently really edgy and badass to profess "non-conformist", negative opinions about John Williams. I have no problem with being critical, to each his own, but some people are so obviously just trying to shake things up with their hypercritical statements, painting the rest of us as blind fanboys. Silliness!Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Finally some reinforcements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 126 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Return of the King on the first place of the list?Rubbish!It should be The Two Towers!Bad-ass fommes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,638 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 I find your statements and Blumenkhol's an insult to JW.Naturally you would, man with the Darth Vader helmet.You may as well go post at Howard Shore's forumI don't, but I would. And still I post here. What does that tell us? That I don't blindly worship Johnny boy like so many here, man with the Darth Vader helmet.I never realised it's that "badass" and "non-conformist" to love John Williams, but love other works more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 44 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 There a lot of people here who truly worship John Williams.Among us some say his concert works are his more profound compositions and some say his film music is his true voice.Some like his dramatic 90's style,some like his classic 70's and 80's sound the best.Some say ESB and some say Star Wars.But we all agree John Williams is one of the greatest composers who ever lived.Then there are those who are here because of a passing interest in the SW prequels and Harry Potter,but think Lord of the Rings or Pirates of the Carribean are the greatest things ever composed and boldly proclaim they "clobber" scores written by Williams in the peak of his career.This insults me as a JWFANHoward Shore has limited ability to write themes.Composers like John Williams,Jerry Goldsmith,Alan Ailvestri, James Horner and John Barry are all light years above his talent.Shore is about on par with composers like Patrick Doyle or George Fenton.To me his 25 or so themes for LotR define mediocrity, and they are only compensated with over the top orchestrations and a gigantic orchestra.The White Tree sounds good because it is performed by 200 brass and strings instruments playing at the same time and so loud in the film you can't help but feel something.I have been listening to film music for 30 years and have heard a lot of stuff...if I can't make it past the 30 minute mark in the FotR complete recording without passing out of boredom there is something wrong .K.M.I agree absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 I never realised it's that "badass" and "non-conformist" to love John Williams, but love other works more.It's not at all, but there are those here (and I wasn't even referring to you) who give that impression with their "holier-than-thou" attitudes. There are plenty of non-Williams scores I enjoy more than various Williams ones, and I have no problem voicing my dislike of something Williams composed. But I don't take the stance that anyone who disagrees with me is a "blind fanboy" by default. Such attitudes only suppress discussion and debate.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,638 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 There a lot of people here who truly worship John WilliamsYes, worship to a point where considering any score not written by Williams the best of all is a personal insult. Those people are really not in their right mind, to put it mildly.Then there are those who are here because of a passing interest in the SW prequels and Harry Potter,but think Lord of the Rings or Pirates of the Carribean are the greatest things ever composed and boldly proclaim they "clobber" scores written by Williams in the peak of his career.This insults me as a JWFANThat doesn't insult the JW fand in you, but the 12 year old fanboy.I have more than a passing interest in Harry Potter, and the prequel scores interest me, except for a handful of cues, not in the least.Do I think that John Williams is one of the greatest composers who ever lived? I sure do. He's *the* greatest, in my humble opinion, otherwise I wouldn't be here.Is Howard Shore better than Williams? No way! Does that mean he can't write something on par with WIlliams? No. He may not be able to repeat it like Williams did, but Howard Shore wrote three scores than are easily on par with anything Williams has come up with.Oh, sure, it doesn't feature the thousand countermelodies and orchestral ornaments JW can pull out of his hat, but thematically, emotionally, and what introspective writing is concerned, the LotR trilogy is just as good as Williams' best, and better than his rest.Orchestrally, LotR is far more interesting than you would have it be.Maybe not technically, but lyrically and how the orchestra tells the story, that's as good as anything out there, and has certainly more subtlety than scores like ESB.And by the way, mentioning PotC in one sentence with LotR is an insult to *me*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Well,this debate won't be settled any time soon.Lets just say that I was unimpressed with the LotR scores since they came out.Sure I have the albums and listen to them from time to time,and some individual cues are pretty good, but I just can't get over the fact that all those mediocre themes can't be made much better no matter how loudly the orchestra plays them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 44 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Am I the only one who can't seem to vote on that site? I click my entry, then I'm prompted to enter a code. After entering the code it tells me it's "processing", and seems to crash. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 2,082 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 I can't be bothered to vote, but if I did, it would be for one of the LotR scores, I can't decide which...And if we were allowed to says say, 3 scores up, I'm sure the other two would be JW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Is it possible to like (love) both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,064 Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 to KM, regarding LotR. Lately around the board, it's apparently really edgy and badass to profess "non-conformist",No it's just intelligent and cultured to have varied taste...rather than tying yourself to one man and equating him to a god, claiming he can do no wrong and none can surpass him, claiming all others write music for retards. That's what we call fundamentalism in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Sorry. Had to after that fundamentalism comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Well,this debate won't be settled any time soon. but I just can't get over the fact that all those mediocre themes can't be made much better no matter how loudly the orchestra plays them.Most of them actually sound worse the louder they are played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 5,520 Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 And why would you a theme sound better when it's played more loudly, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Some of the themes weaknesses sound much more evident, namely the Fellowship theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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