m0hawk 1 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 My school production this year is Macbeth. I'm cast as Macduff, and fortunately for us, Macbeth and I get to have a sword-fight at the end. Now, to maximise the epicness of this battle (oh yes, it will be epic), we want a fitting song for a fight. However, the only restriction I have is a time-limit of two minutes. 120 seconds is a long time for a theater fight scene, but with enough inspiration from the Prequel Trilogy, I'm sure that we can pull it off. So, do you have any recommendations for music? Even the most obscure of recommendations would be helpful. The ones that I have in mind, currently, are:"Duel of the Fates" - The Phantom Menace"Hector's Death" - Troy"The Opened Way" - Shadow of the Colossus (Game)"Gatekeeper of the Castle Ruins" - Shadow of the ColossusThanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Legally, you're not allowed to play copyrighted music during productions. Are you planning on licensing the chosen duel cue? If so, don't choose something well known like "Duel of the Fates." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0hawk 1 Posted September 16, 2007 Author Share Posted September 16, 2007 Ahh, I see. Well, I probably won't license the cue. It's a school production anyway, so I doubt that it would be taken too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Duel of the Fates sounds great, but it may be too well known (a Henry Buck mentioned). Most cues from POTC are too well known, as well. Perhaps "To Die For" from Lion King, but that may not fit too well. Maybe "Quidditch, Third Year", but that not fit well either. Maybe someone who has the soundtrack to Cutthroat Island could help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 "The Opened Way" - Shadow of the Colossus (Game)"Gatekeeper of the Castle Ruins" - Shadow of the ColossusOh yes."Battle of the Heroes" seems like it would be appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Personally I wouldn't choose a well known piece of music. You don't want the audience thinking about where the music's coming from when they should be thinking about the fight. If you had access to more professsional resorces I'd suggest rummaging around some music libraries and picking out stuff as was done for Monty Python and the Holy Grail, but that's probably out the question here. Still, I'd avoid the "name brands" and go with something obscure. Your last three suggestions probably would work well.BTW, as a theater person are you sure you should be throwing the name of the Scottish play around willy-nilly like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 How about a piece from Trevor Rabin's Dark City. Ever seen the fan film lightsaber duel, Ryan vs. Dorkman? Dark City worked amazingly well for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Legally, you're not allowed to play copyrighted music during productions. Are you planning on licensing the chosen duel cue? If so, don't choose something well known like "Duel of the Fates."While thats true, would anyone be so cruel as to sue a bunch of school kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 *cough*DISNEY*cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,251 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Ever heard of Korngold? He had a few great scored swordfights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AI 0 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Ahh, I see. Well, I probably won't license the cue. It's a school production anyway, so I doubt that it would be taken too seriously.actually, your school would be commiting a serious crime by using non licenced tracks in a production.No matter how small it may seem, it's still a violation of copyright law! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Neodammerung from The Matrix Revolutions.Eye Of The Tiger from Rocky 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,620 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 *cough*DISNEY*cough*And did you hear about Disney refusing permission for the parents of a baby who died to put mickey mouse on the tombstone because of 'copyright reasons'? They apparently only allowed it after a public outcry. So I'm sure you'll forgive my cynicism that most corporations these days, especially involved in copyright matters, really don't give a crap about consumers.But enough of that... what about something from Chicken Run like Building the Crate or Escape to Paradise? Both are relatively short (or could be edited) and have a slightly 'jaunty' feel to them.Ahh, I see. Well, I probably won't license the cue. It's a school production anyway, so I doubt that it would be taken too seriously.actually, your school would be committing a serious crime by using non licenced tracks in a production. No matter how small it may seem, it's still a violation of copyright law!May be, but there are far bigger problems for publishers to worry about. This is why I'm in the 'copyright needs to be brought out of the stone age' camp. Back when I was a magician, I used some song for my act at a small school talent contest, and no mention was ever made of copyrights. Granted, the organiser was a friend of mine, but I'm sure someone would have raised the copyright issue if it was something to worry about.serious crimeI pulled every single field agent off all other cases to track you (Bart) down and bring you to justice. It was a tough decision, but I think I made the right call.You just blew up Shelbyville A.I.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 "Duel of the Fates" for Macbeth? Good heavens.I'd humbly suggest "Part Them, They Are Incensed", from Patrick Doyle's Hamlet. Or, you know, nothing at all if the scene has no dialogue, which I can't remember right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Eye Of The Tiger from Rocky 4It was written for Rocky III.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 I stand corrected, I only knew it appeared in thew 4th one, the only one of the Rocky saga I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,268 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Ever heard of Korngold? He had a few great scored swordfights Exactly what I was thinking. Specially the Duel from Robin Hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,251 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Ever heard of Korngold? He had a few great scored swordfights Exactly what I was thinking. Specially the Duel from Robin Hood.Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 In regards to all the copyright nonsense:A. Copyright laws today are a ridiculous infringement of what should be basic rights. Therefor, I personally have no qualms about breaking them from time to time, however:B. Most companies are ok with granting permission for music to be used in a non-profit, educational setting, such as a school play. So if you just write a letter to the company that produced the music you decide on, and you emphasize that it is for educational purposes, they most likely won't turn you down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 120 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Ultimate War, with the cymbals mickey mousing every clash of swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 I don't think so. "The Ultimate War" is too swashbuckling and cheery for something like Macbeth. Now, if they were doing Peter Pan, there would be no better choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,620 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 In regards to all the copyright nonsense:A. Copyright laws today are a ridiculous infringement of what should be basic rights. Therefor, I personally have no qualms about breaking them from time to timeMy thoughts exactly. It seems that all the DRM and laws to do with media these days are simply companies trying to withhold fair use and sell them back to us; hoping that no one will notice. I have no problems therefore doing things if they are guarded by clearly stupid laws, or those designed only to gain maximum profit for corporations.One example is ripping the soundtrack from a DVD. Quite how many laws this theoretically breaks I don't know, but do I care? Nope. If it isn't available any other way then they're just denying us the music and deserve it for their cheapness. An example is the OST for Dante's Peak included on a second audio track on the R1 DVD. I could buy the CD, but it's included, and in a place where no 'layperson' is going to find it easily and it's entirely unrelated to what's happening on screen. What therefore, do they expect someone to do except rip it to listen to it away from the DVD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,089 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Don't forget, you're not even supposed to be able to buy R1 players in Europe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,620 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Perfect example of another stupid law. Even shops openly break that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 120 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 I don't think so. "The Ultimate War" is too swashbuckling and cheery for something like Macbeth. Now, if they were doing Peter Pan, there would be no better choice.Ok, you might be right. Then maybe better look for some small fanfare for orchestra. Something by Korngold would be fitting, if you can find the music to Captain Blood it'd be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Korngold is far to lightweight and fluffy for the Scottish play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyy38 21 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 My school production this year is Macbeth. I'm cast as Macduff, and fortunately for us, Macbeth and I get to have a sword-fight at the end. Now, to maximise the epicness of this battle (oh yes, it will be epic), we want a fitting song for a fight. However, the only restriction I have is a time-limit of two minutes. 120 seconds is a long time for a theater fight scene, but with enough inspiration from the Prequel Trilogy, I'm sure that we can pull it off. So, do you have any recommendations for music? Even the most obscure of recommendations would be helpful. The ones that I have in mind, currently, are:"Duel of the Fates" - The Phantom Menace"Hector's Death" - Troy"The Opened Way" - Shadow of the Colossus (Game)"Gatekeeper of the Castle Ruins" - Shadow of the ColossusThanks in advance!Do you not have a talented composer in your school who could compose the music for you? You could have him/her write the music according to the feel of the choreography and your recommendations. It would be more of a custom fit than using "canned". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Korngold is far to lightweight and fluffy for the Scottish play.By the Scottish Play I assume you mean...MacBeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 The best scored swordfight (of sorts) in music history, is Luke and Vader's duel in RotJ.There can be little question about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyy38 21 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 But if you still go with canned,I just stumbled across this:http://www.amazon.com/Hamlet-Dmitry-Shosta...p;sr=1-8#disc_1Clonk on "Listen To Samples" on the left below the CD cover,wait for the window to load then go to track 23(The Duel/The Death Of Hamlet/Hamlet's Funeral (Suite, No. 8)Shastakovich would be a bitchin' film composer in the now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I don't think so. "The Ultimate War" is too swashbuckling and cheery for something like Macbeth. Now, if they were doing Peter Pan, there would be no better choice.Ok, you might be right. Then maybe better look for some small fanfare for orchestra. Something by Korngold would be fitting, if you can find the music to Captain Blood it'd be great.They could use portions of "The Ultimate War", like Rufio's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Have you seen Macbeth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,089 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Clonk on "Listen To Samples" on the left below the CD cover,wait for the window to load then go to track 23(The Duel/The Death Of Hamlet/Hamlet's Funeral (Suite, No. 8)That's what I was going to recommend. Williams must like it too, as The Desert Chase sounds slightly similar at times.It's been a while since I've read Macbeth though and I can't really recall the duel. It might well be best without any music at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Have you seen Macbeth?No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Ever heard of Korngold? He had a few great scored swordfights Exactly what I was thinking. Specially the Duel from Robin Hood.When it comes to swordfights, give me Korngold any day!It seems the collective film music memory here doesn't go back further than 1985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Clonk on "Listen To Samples" on the left below the CD cover,wait for the window to load then go to track 23(The Duel/The Death Of Hamlet/Hamlet's Funeral (Suite, No. 8)That's what I was going to recommend. Williams must like it too, as The Desert Chase sounds slightly similar at times.It's been a while since I've read Macbeth though and I can't really recall the duel. It might well be best without any music at all.I agree. Music in general undermines this play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 By the Scottish Play I assume you mean...MacBeth.Aaaarrrggghhh.......Hot potato, orchestra stalls, Puck will make amends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDave 1 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 If you can get either "Opening Battle" or "Duel" from Korngold's Sea Hawk, I think that would be a great choice. Get the 70's Gerhardt recording or the new 2007 complete score recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Battle of the Heroes would be better than DOTF because it has more a little more flavor, and a little more opportunity to add even a little comedy in it IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Comedy? Perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I suggest using the battle music from that Star Trek episode Amok Time. Always a winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Mr. Baseball-cap is correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Either of you know of a place where one might here samples of that score? Morlock- who knows nothing about Star Trek tv scores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Either of you know of a place where one might here samples of that score? Morlock- who knows nothing about Star Trek tv scoresYou can hear samples here, listen to the one for track 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 But that doesn't have the best partHere's a nice one (sorry to bring Youtube into this, Marc)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j8hWHuCgpk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Or watch a bit of the actual scene here.EDIT: Never mind, Steef already posted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Thanks for the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AI 0 Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 May be, but there are far bigger problems for publishers to worry about. This is why I'm in the 'copyright needs to be brought out of the stone age' camp. Back when I was a magician, I used some song for my act at a small school talent contest, and no mention was ever made of copyrights. Granted, the organiser was a friend of mine, but I'm sure someone would have raised the copyright issue if it was something to worry about.That's not the point, it never was. Publishers care big or small, about infringement. That's how they survive as a business, by having a product that will be bought, rather than stolen. Would you like it if someone came into your house and stole something of yours? Would you write it off as 'fair use' ? That's exactly how copyright theft is. someone stealing from you and your pocket. Directly from your pocket. It's not just you that are taking it, it's also the myriad of others who take these files, instead of buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Would you like it if someone came into your house and stole something of yours? Would you write it off as 'fair use' ? That's exactly how copyright theft is. someone stealing from you and your pocket. Directly from your pocket. It's not just you that are taking it, it's also the myriad of others who take these files, instead of buying it.But it's not stealing at all. You've already bought the music, now you just want to use the music you bought. Using music in a non-profit production should be no different than listening to it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 What's up with AI? Never heard of the concept of fair use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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