robthehand 3 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 ...Paul Verhoeven!!According to Variety. Apparently Pierce Brosnan and Verhoeven are in, Rene Russo is out.I'm certainly interested in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 Yes I read about this last week.Doesn't seem like a typical Verhoeven project, but it could be a good way for him to regain some ground in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Woo hoo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 why is this in other topics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Should be interesting. I liked McTiernen's (with that fantastic Conti score). Maybe Verhoven will make a film again, as opposed to a messy cinematic adventure. I hope to god he doesn't go with Anne Dudley again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Well it should be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Anne Dudley did an admirable job on BLACK BOOK. Expect more gratuitous sex and mainstream cartoon violence from the best export Holland's ever produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Black Book's score sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I wouldn't say it sucked, but it was certainly no RoboCop, Total Recall, Hollow Man, Basic Instinct or Starship Troopers...... Don't you miss Jerry and Basil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I do man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex 5 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I really hope that Conti is with them. The score for the first film is excellent, just listen to that piano... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Pray it isn't a MediaVentures joint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Nah, I don't see Verhoven going that way. I have many reservations about all of his films.....bad composer choices has never been one of them until Zwartboek, and that is hardly going in an MV direction. Morlock- who is still amazed that Dudley is the only person who's ever won an Oscar for Conti's Rocky theme (and Sexy Thing, of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I really hope that Conti is with them. The score for the first film is excellent, just listen to that piano...My comment from another thread:"...Like Bill Conti's score for The Thomas Crown Affair, that I saw yesterday. How on earth could that guy ever win an oscar. I never before found myself looking for a radio playing low volume before realizing that I heard the soundtrack belonging to the movie." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Dat is het stomste dat ik ooit gehoord heb! Bill Conti is retegoed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Dat is het stomste dat ik ooit gehoord heb! Bill Conti is retegoed!Je reet...precies waar Bill Conti thuishoort! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Heb je wel eens wat anders van hem gehoord? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 My universal translator was confiscated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Heb je wel eens wat anders van hem gehoord?Yes his rip-off score for that Bond movie and his Masters of the Universe. Bleh.But his scoring is worse than his composing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The Thomas Crowne Affair had an excellent soundtrack, score and songs, and the boot of the score is one of the most enjoyable from the end of the 90's. I love me a real piano score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingPin 201 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 ...Paul Verhoeven!!Gesundheit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex 5 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 There is nothing wrong with his scoring. One of the most talented guys in Hollywood. Besides his arrangements are much sought after there. As far as his scores are concerned, I cannot stress more the excellency of the Masters of the Universe and simultaneously his smaller scores like Broadcast News. Very versatile composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I, for one, was dissapointed by his score of The Right Stuff. Too much electronics, too much Holst. It basically came down to that one theme. How anyone can think that even comes near the greatness of Under Fire, I'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex 5 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The Right Stuff contains some of the greatest music he has composed. Yes it partly sounds like Holst and it is short, Conti had some weeks time to compose it. He has said it is an homage. Where do you hear this electronics? I hear in the beginning, but not much after it. Maybe I have misssed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Heb je wel eens wat anders van hem gehoord?Yes his rip-off score for that Bond movie and his Masters of the Universe. Bleh.But his scoring is worse than his composing.I sometimes wonder if I'm the only sensible Dutchie on this forum.You should try his proper Bond score, For Your Eyes Only. Yes it's heavily influenced by 80's disco, but once you get past that you realise that it is superbly written. The brass work especially is great.And of course Conti came up with the mother of all sports anthems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The Thomas Crowne Affair had an excellent soundtrack, score and songs, and the boot of the score is one of the most enjoyable from the end of the 90's. I love me a real piano score.There is nothing wrong with his scoring. One of the most talented guys in Hollywood.Please guys do me a favor and really watch the Thomas Crown Affair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex 5 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The film is not bad, not my favourite but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The film is not bad, not my favourite but still.The film is fine. The album is ok. Bill Conti might be a nice guy also. But listen what Conti did in scoring the film with his music. It's totally out of place in every scene. (Btw I didn't know it was Conti after I finished watching.) Please watch it again and see what I mean. People here around know at least some basic rules of film scoring and should hear this was amateur scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The Thomas Crowne Affair had an excellent soundtrack, score and songs, and the boot of the score is one of the most enjoyable from the end of the 90's. I love me a real piano score. I appreciate the sentiment of posting my post again, but it really speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex 5 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Yes I might watch it again someday. Could you clarify some elements of amateur scoring in that film, some scenes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Yes I might watch it again someday. Could you clarify some elements of amateur scoring in that film, some scenes?The music makes action scenes look like 'laurel and harry' (e.g. the break in in the museum by the team). When there should be suspense, the music is simplistic and joyful (Thomas doing his tricks). When there should be no music (e.g. in neutral dialogue) there are some annoying repeating motivs constantly in the background. Pop songs pop out of nothing feeling very misplaced regarding the on-screen emotions (e.g. in the finale). There are examples like this throughout the movie. I really found myself asking: when does this music stop? at least every other scene.And then there can be said a lot about the music itself too, but let's not.Of course it's all IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex 5 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Yes I might watch it again someday. Could you clarify some elements of amateur scoring in that film, some scenes?The music makes action scenes look like 'laurel and harry' (e.g. the break in in the museum by the team). When there should be suspense, the music is simplistic and joyful (Thomas doing his tricks). When there should be no music (e.g. in neutral dialogue) there are some annoying repeating motivs constantly in the background. Pop songs pop out of nothing feeling very misplaced regarding the on-screen emotions (e.g. in the finale). There are examples like this throughout the movie. I really found myself asking: when does this music stop? at least every other scene.And then there can be said a lot about the music itself too, but let's not.Of course it's all IMO.That cool attitude is exactly what they wanted for that film. Conti said that Thomas Crown is slick guy who needs that laid-back music and I am sure they agreed about that with McTiernan. One example of using cool style explained by Conti is that tap dancing. I must watch the film before commenting further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Yes I might watch it again someday. Could you clarify some elements of amateur scoring in that film, some scenes?The music makes action scenes look like 'laurel and harry' (e.g. the break in in the museum by the team). When there should be suspense, the music is simplistic and joyful (Thomas doing his tricks). When there should be no music (e.g. in neutral dialogue) there are some annoying repeating motivs constantly in the background. Pop songs pop out of nothing feeling very misplaced regarding the on-screen emotions (e.g. in the finale). There are examples like this throughout the movie. I really found myself asking: when does this music stop? at least every other scene.And then there can be said a lot about the music itself too, but let's not.Of course it's all IMO.That cool attitude is exactly what they wanted for that film. Conti said that Thomas Crown is slick guy who needs that laid-back music and I am sure they agreed about that with McTiernan. One example of using cool style explained by Conti is that tap dancing. I must watch the film before commenting further.I figured the style was deliberate. Only it just doesn't feel really cool or laid-back. It feels uncomfortable. They should have used real cool music, like Frank Sinatra or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Yes let's be predictable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Yes let's be predictable...That's beside my point, but I'd prefer predictable film scoring over unappropriate scoring, by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Your lack of knowledge about Conti is what is inappropriate.You know to little to be dissing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Your lack of knowledge about Conti is what is inappropriate.You know to little to be dissing him.I'm sorry? We are discussing Thomas Crown Affair here. Tell me Steef, did you actually see that movie?Btw, I know what I need to know about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 That is like saying you know jw is overrated and you only ever heard fitzwily, Heartbeeps and Guide For the Married Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 That is like saying you know jw is overrated and you only ever heard fitzwily, Heartbeeps and Guide For the Married Man.I happen to like those scores... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 but it those were all you knew, you would know little about how good JW really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 That's right, but still one can judge a composer's scoring talent (not so much composing talent) from one or two movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 No, Thomas Crown was an unusual project and Spy Hard just called for a pastiche score. I would not use these to judge a man who's been composing for film for a few decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Indeed. I am not terribly well-versed in Conti, but I do know that Enter The Dragon is a friggin' great score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeekUYoda 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 The only Conti I've really paid attention to was Thomas Crown, and I loved it! He uses such unusual sounds - the tap dancing, sure, but also the extreme high register of the piano. You don't usually hear that outside of cartoons (when a character walks on tiptoes or something), and I think the fact that he used such unexpected devices for such a "suave and debonair" film reflects well on him. Plus I just plain liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex 5 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Indeed. I am not terribly well-versed in Conti, but I do know that Enter The Dragon is a friggin' great score.Do you mean Lalo Schifrin's Enter the Dragon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Hahahahahahahaha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 He was obviosly checking if anyone was paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Obviously. Morlock- who doesn't feel there's anything more than can be said in the face of such colossal blundering. Morlock 2- who has the tendency of confusing Schifrin and Conti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 So do I, actually.But don't tell anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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